[Archived] Ins and outs

[bazza]

One point has been missed, but now that the dust has settled on the takeover it needs to be pointed out.

There are NEW owners. They will do what they want. It's their club.

If the senior employees don't like it, then there will only be one winner.

And if the majority of fans don't like it, there will only be one loser.

[Fife Rover]

And if the majority of fans don't like it, there will only be one loser.

Exactly!! And although I didn't choose to put that into my post just above, there is no doubt that that is an inevitable consequence unless the new owners do the right thing and talk to the chairman and the manager before making ANY serious decisions. At least until they are well enough acquainted to be able to make sensible and balanced decisions on football matters and not just on financial matters. And THAT IMO will be quite a long time in coming.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

The BIGGEST point in all of this debate is who Kentaro are suggesting for January...

If they have some super striker up their sleeves then nobody would be bothering about whose idea it was.

If they don't then there will be some friction all round.

The pressure is actually on them to deliver.

Nicko - do you think they have the clout to deliver a "super striker" - within our budget ?

[BuckyRover]

Exactly!! And although I didn't choose to put that into my post just above, there is no doubt that that is an inevitable consequence unless the new owners do the right thing and talk to the chairman and the manager before making ANY serious decisions. At least until they are well enough acquainted to be able to make sensible and balanced decisions on football matters and not just on financial matters. And THAT IMO will be quite a long time in coming.

Can you let me know when this time has come to pass?

Thanks

Hypothehtical situation here, but do you really think people would complain if Sam was sacked tomorrow, Hiddink appointed and some big money signings come in (good players, not mercenary like City)?

No. They will be defined by the result of their actions not the actions themselves.

[chaddyrovers]

Nicko - do you think they have the clout to deliver a "super striker" - within our budget ?

Who could it be? Also starting to think that the will be more money than 5 million!

do we know who was at the meeting between Kentaro/SEM and Venky's Nicko?

[PAFELL]

Can you let me know when this time has come to pass?

Thanks

Hypothehtical situation here, but do you really think people would complain if Sam was sacked tomorrow, Hiddink appointed and some big money signings come in (good players, not mercenary like City)?No. They will be defined by the result of their actions not the actions themselves.

Nobody will complain. They may say that was not the way to treat him - as in Hughes when sacked by city. But people would just get on with it. Another day, another manager, another time in the history of Rovers and time goes on. But being a Rovers supporter people will look and find something else to complain about.

[Torgeir]

Guti living up to his reputation in Turkey. Maybe we did a good thing when staying clear

Drunken Gutierrez

[PAFELL]

Either that is a load of BS or Rovers are headed for major break down.

Huber and Anderson will spend all of the Venky's money on over-priced over-paid journeymen then walk away as soon as the Venky's realise they have been had and have wasted all their money.

That may be the case. But as of now nobody can say that and could even be considered as an allegation. Until something is actually done against the club, we can not accuse as that could be considered as slander. Nobody on this messageboard has any idea on what Huber / Anderson are going to do. Though everybody can speculate, guess. We may even get near to the mark, but only by guessing.

I do not think the Venky's are totally stupid as to only listen to Huber and Anderson. The venky's know how this is a new venture for them. The trust when selling to them would have suggested they keep JW and Sam on to help them if needed. A sound business person listens to all sides, considers all options before acting.

[AJW]

i dont think there's anything wrong in Big Sam taking advice from kentaro regards transfer targets , but if kentaro are speaking directly to the owners without Sam's input , then that is sadly wrong . One of Big Sam's strengths is spotting a player if that role is taken away i don't think Sam will have a 2nd thought about walking away

[Iceman]

source? got a link?

if Venkys sack Sam, then they are a bunch of chickens using Kentaro to do their dirty work. we are already witnessing an idiot in Ashley, sacking his managers while in a reasonable position.

we are better than that, which is why we have John Williams as chairman and not some joker. Williams will only react, in the best interests of Rovers if things go wrong. Kentaro, it seems might be more than just advisors, and its not good going forward.

if Venkys wanted an advisor, who better than the manager and the chairman to go to for advice.

if Venkys sack Sam, then they are a bunch of chickens using Kentaro to do their dirty work. we are already witnessing an idiot in Ashley, sacking his managers while in a reasonable position.

we are better than that, which is why we have John Williams as chairman and not some joker. Williams will only react, in the best interests of Rovers if things go wrong. Kentaro, it seems might be more than just advisors, and its not good going forward.

if Venkys wanted an advisor, who better than the manager and the chairman to go to for advice.p

[Fife Rover]

Can you let me know when this time has come to pass?

Thanks

Hypothehtical situation here, but do you really think people would complain if Sam was sacked tomorrow, Hiddink appointed and some big money signings come in (good players, not mercenary like City)?

No. They will be defined by the result of their actions not the actions themselves.

So from your own post I can assume that you see nothing wrong in any suitably rich new owners of a foottball club who on their own admissions know virtually nothing at all about English football clubs (let alone how to run one) should within two whole weeks of their assuming ownership choose to consult an outside body on the subject of the best way to put their club on course for improvement, and all without consulting the existing chairman or manager for their opinions first.

Well I don't. And I am quite sure the vast majority of football peole and the media will think along similat lines.

[S15]

Guti living up to his reputation in Turkey. Maybe we did a good thing when staying clear

Drunken Gutierrez

Gutted we missed out.

[47er]

Either that is a load of BS or Rovers are headed for major break down.

Huber and Anderson will spend all of the Venky's money on over-priced over-paid journeymen then walk away as soon as the Venky's realise they have been had and have wasted all their money.

That's a very gloomy prognosis Philip. Would Venkys have got where they are by being so stupid?

[Iceman]

That's a very gloomy prognosis Philip. Would Venkys have got where they are by being so stupid?

they were stupid for choosing Kentaro over John Williams

[47er]

That is the really worrying bit for me. Leaving aside completely the little differences of opinion and silly little arguments that abound on this MB on the subject of Sam and his managerial abilities, I contend that it would be very foolish for any new owner of any English football club coming in, and then only two weeks into their ownership and with their own admitted lack if knowledge of football in general, let alone a lack of detailed knowledge of the club they have just purchased, to allow speculation in the press about whether or not they should be replacing the manager is extremely foolish to say the least.

This is just not the way things should be done. It is not the English way, and if this is indeed true then it would most likely cause a storm in the media and within football circles which could only have one result: namely to cause Blackburn Rovers to suffer a catastrophic loss of face and damage their reputation for years to come. All this is of course assuming that the rumours are true; but there is now an urgent need for Venkys to come out and clarify the situation before this all gets out of hand.

Bit of an over-reaction there Fife. And the owners are not going to spend their lives denying every rumour that appears from somewhere. We'll all know in time.

they were stupid for choosing Kentaro over John Williams

Well lets wait and see eh?

Rovers have always been professional in keeping these things 'in house' obviously that might be a little bit harder now what with the outside influences at the club. But this one though surely had to be kept to oneself for a little while longer than it has, obviously things are up in the air and its early days but we dont to here of upheaval or change for something that could be seen as benefiting Kentaro's balance sheet, do we .

If Andy Cryer is writing this piece in a way that hes clearing the ground for Sams dismissal, then I think the vast majority of Rovers fans would not be too happy about this and the replies of the letters seem to lean this way also.

Jal as leader of the "Keep Sam Brigade"! Now I've seen everything!

[Iceman]

ill stick with that comment 47er, because i believe Venkys would be better off dealing with JW and Sam. JW has kept this club going through all the trying times, and if Venkys wanted advice there is nobody better and more reliable than JW. JW is a Rover and outstanding servant of this club, Kentaro on the other are just passing by looking to make an extra few millions for christmas presents

[47er]

ill stick with that comment 47er, because i believe Venkys would be better off dealing with JW and Sam. JW has kept this club going through all the trying times, and if Venkys wanted advice there is nobody better and more reliable than JW. JW is a Rover and outstanding servant of this club, Kentaro on the other are just passing by looking to make an extra few millions for christmas presents

You could be right. Bu there's no evidence yet that Kentaro have been asked to do anymore than offer advice to the club on transfers. That is not the same as Sam being forced to take players he doesn't want.

The basis for all this fear is a speculative article by Andy Cryer who, ironically, is almost always derided on here!

As I have always done with Sam, I will judge any changes on the only criterion that matters---results.

[den]

ill stick with that comment 47er, because i believe Venkys would be better off dealing with JW and Sam. JW has kept this club going through all the trying times, and if Venkys wanted advice there is nobody better and more reliable than JW. JW is a Rover and outstanding servant of this club, Kentaro on the other are just passing by looking to make an extra few millions for christmas presents

The time to worry is when JW stands down. I'm absolutely certain that he wont hang around if the club is lead down the wrong path.

[Iceman]

im not even bothered with Cryer's article, as im not a Cryerteen. However, why waste millons on Kentaro and Jerome Anderson, and then talk about a 5mill transfer budget? surely, that extra few millons could have been used to increase our transfer fund. We might as well hire Sharukh Khan as manager, and let him hide behind a tree, and then run towards Anderson to hear who he is signing.

[bazza]

Perhaps we are jumping the gun a bit. Venkys, especially Mrs Desai, have a good track record in doing things the right way (so we are lead to believe).

Maybe they need advice from Kentaro about many football matters in general, including players available to come to the club, before meeting with JW and BFS.

[DanLad]

Maybe this Kentatro lot are just explaining the offside rule, and things like that?

[Andy]

The time to worry is when JW stands down. I'm absolutely certain that he wont hang around if the club is lead down the wrong path.

I was just about to post the same thing.

What would make me worry is if JW decides to step down within the next 12 months.

[Paul]

The time to worry is when JW stands down. I'm absolutely certain that he wont hang around if the club is lead down the wrong path.

Exactly. JW's actions will be the strongest indicator of where we are headed.

[Fylde Coast Fan]

The owners know nothing about football. I'm sure they're concerned about Sam pulling the wool over their eyes, so they're acting in what they believe are their and the club's best interests by talking to their football consultants before deciding how much Sam will have to spend in January. HOPEFULLY, Sam and JW will have the final say on any players brought in, since they're the two employees trusted to run the football club.

[nicko]

Nicko - do you think they have the clout to deliver a "super striker" - within our budget ?

That is the tickly bit.

If agents or advisers want to make these calls then they have to deliver.

So, good question - but still waiting on the answer.