[Archived] Rovers Takeover: End game ?

[philipl]

This is just odd.

[rovgers]

This is just odd.

.....and pointless.

[AggyBlue]

This is just odd.

"a large industrial coal processing town in the middle of England"

[deryck guyler's spoon]

So Blackburn is a "large, industrial, coal processing town in the middle of England"?

Posting crap like that is precisely why less and less people take Phillip seriously.

[Hughesy]

They are now in a 'cooling off period'...that is the ONLY hold-up with the deal I believe.

The people I spoke to yesterday were talking about what the takeover would mean 'when' it happened...not many 'ifs' about.

You would hope it was quick, so that minds can be focussed on the real here-and-now issues.

I leave timing to laywers...and they do charge by the hour.

Nicko see above....be interesting to see if BPF's 'issues at the top' rings true or not!

Now the club has announced VH group are favourites, Syed can't be trusted and the Venky's/Kentaro approach is oh so sensible.

Rovers Fan with more faces than the town hall clock.

Matty - you will find me view changes based on info...SOLID info which told me certain things that had been posted on here were incorrect...I was privy to alot of so called 'inside info' on the Syed takeover - but NONE of it checked out.

You will recall I was simply coming up with plans to redevelop ewood area - just being positive & thinking of ideas...Its not about Syed/ Shah or VH money, it was just ideas! The only change in opinion is based on info which iv been told - which fills me with dread over Syed!

but the fact he spoke about the club as a hobby and did not expect a return on his investment made people rest slightly easier.

A hobby for a man that has never even been to Blackburn?? And that doesnt worry you? Pompey MkII

Finally - Bellamy - not been here all day, hence why I just had to catch up with about 8 pages of posts. Hope that helps!

Sam hopes performance impressed VH Group

So why would Sam want to impress them if there was problems at the top & the deal wasnt more or less complete??

[JoeBlueWhite]

Its only daft to the blinded ones who want to fall into bed with an Indian Imy9.

How anyone could think any of these Indians are right for Rovers, I, have to ask, what sort of a Rovers fan are you to want an unknown foreigner to come and takeover Rovers, a business that is COMPLETELY alien to them ?

Reasoning, would have thought Philipl along with a few others have provided more than enough info for you to reach the same conclusion Imy9.

Ladies and gentleman the above statement has been sponsored by the BNP.

Just remember folks don't get in bed with any Indian's or any unknown aliens for that matter.

Keep it white eh JAL ?

[Beta Ray Bill]

This is just odd.

What's odd about a journalist writing crap?

[TimmyJimmy]

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You can badmouth Philip all you want, but there issues with Venkys.

I can confidently swear on my own life that there are problems and arguments amongst people at the top and these concerns have come about very recently. I'm not saying that this will stop the takeover but I think that it is important to have it documented that there was concerns about VH from the very start.

I have also heard the same thing BPF. It could still go either way. There have been a few serious bust ups in the background.

It might be worth remembering exactly who does what at the club :

- JW is in charge of the board, they 'manage' the day to day of the club but ultimately they have no power to make a decision re the sale, they can only recommend. If board members have different opinions it is difficult to be guided by their collective wisdom.

- The trustees are simply paid professionals not beneficiaries with a vested interest as such. They will try to execute based on their understanding of the contents of the trust documentation. They too can interpret things differently.

- The 'family' who are the real power here and the only true decision makers. There are a few of them and they too have their own views which may or may not agree with each other or be consonant with the views of the trust or board.

There are issues and these are being worked out, that's why most of the info has stayed private and behind closed doors. Some stuff has got out and well placed ears have heard and passed it on to this forum. Some of it may well have been 'placed' by certain actors who want their views to be known. Trouble is you speak with four people and you get four different messages. People read the info on here and then attack the poster because they either can't cope with the uncertainty, have their own agendas or just get more fun out of dumping their bile on their whipping boys of choice rather than being supportive of their best efforts.

As I have said before I've been very upfront that Syed was my first choice but I recognise that the VH people have their merits and are ethical (no more animal cruelty jibes please) so in good faith but with only a partial knowledge of their full capability/assurances I'm happy to back their bid. Maybe this is the least worst choice and this doesn't fit with the counsel of perfection spouted by a few on here, in all likelihood the powers that be in the club also feel this is no better than 'the least worst choice' and is what's causing all the hand wringing.

The Kentaro involvement now that's a different matter, sorry Nicko but on this I don't share your views, their involvement scares me sh!tless.

[Ricky]

Philip, do you ever get the feeling it may be time to retreat with your tail between your legs.

Your latest comments about the vh reps being so far away from jw are just embarrassing and easily proved wrong by the thousands of people who were at ewood on Saturday.

Your financial insight on the money side of things is always welcome but you seem to have got tied up in a 'me v him' thing with Alan Nixon, it's certainly not helping this thread and has done your credibility absolutely no good whatsoever.

[philipl]

Sam in the press this morning.

Says he has met venkys kentaro and leaves it at that

Deal not finalised

Mentions £5m for transfers and another bidder has offered £300m but that he'd prefer numbers were kept private.

I apologize re the venky kentaro seating arrangements. I passed on details which were given to me in all good faith.

[Bobby G]

Interesting comments by Sam. Difficult to assess either way.

[dave birch]

Your financial insight on the money side of things is always welcome but you seem to have got tied up in a 'me v him' thing with Alan Nixon, it's certainly not helping this thread and has done your credibility absolutely no good whatsoever.

One gets paid for his endeavours, the other doesn't. That's something that should be taken into consideration.

[Bobby G]

One gets paid for his endeavours, the other doesn't. That's something that should be taken into consideration.

People should understand that no Blackburn Rovers fan on this board has vested financial interests in the take-over.

[Roversider]

Firstly, Philip, don't worry about getting the seating position of the Raos wrong, it happens if you get the wrong information and I am not so churlish as to criticise you claiming it was intentional.

For those who choose to have a go at each other on this board, well we are all entitled to our opinions. That includes a fear of anyone taking over the club who has not get a clear, emotional connection to Blackburn, whatever the colour of their skin. It is as unproductive to accuse someone of being xenophobic as it is to belittle someone for feeling very strongly anti-racist.

So, can we have as much calm as is possible given that we love Rovers as much as we do? it is inevitable we feel strongly but at the end of it we all bleed blue and white and desperately hope for a positive outcome of any takeover.

On that basis and only limited information just a few thoughts.

Can we stay with the Trust owning us, I think that is possible but we will have to accept that we will need to continue to defy gravity unless there is a significantly more pro-active approach top running the club and a change of business model.

Shah? He seems to have fallen away based on resources and his business plan.

Syed? Great PR (apart from Goldberg's revelations) but there must be significant doubt when there are so many questions raised and inadequately answered (in the public domain) about where all the money is coming from.

VH? Questions around the business plan from fans but if the bid has got this far those questions are at least being answered partially by them to the Trust.

The reality is that VH are clearly ahead in the takeover stakes, that the Trust do want to sell (although we do not know at what price) and that somehow Kentaro is part of that bid process.

Should we be worried or hopeful? In a time of change I suggest both. Should John Williams be reatined (which I desperately hope is the case) then I will feel more reassured. I am not against Kentaro unless the whole team becomes a player churn, a regular access to good players, even if they only spend a season with us is no different to the current use of loanees. It is a question of volume. As for the VH business plan, well I will be happier when I can hear it effectively spelt out in the public domain. All too much supposition for me.

It is a great shame that we can't dig u[ some prospective owners with a close link to Blackburn but that is the way it is I'm afraid. Hopefully any new owner will build that relationship up in the same way as other owners have. Tell me that Belakon doesn't like Blackpool or Abravomich Chelsea? We also need a way of cracking new markets and the VH bid (just like Syed and Shah) offer a way into the sub-continent. Also there remains the issue of how do we engage with a large part of the Blackburn population who are not represented in equivalent numbers at Ewood? Money, sadly, is the lifeblood of Rovers, it always has been.

Just got to stick at it guys.

[philipl]

Sam's comments are in the LT and the Sun. Probably elsewhere as well.

For the record, I have no financial interests in Syed, Shah, Venky's, mystery man, the Trust or Rovers.

Ricky, your PMs are full.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

For the record, I have no financial interests in Syed, Shah, Venky's, mystery man, the Trust or Rovers.

You are so firmly in the Syed camp that you can no longer be relied upon to provide accurate, impartial information.

[philipl]

You are so firmly in the Syed camp that you can no longer be relied upon to provide accurate, impartial information.

If I remember correctly, you say yourself you have not read every post.

I have criticised Syed on here and the way he has gone about things.

However, I do know the £1bn is real and the £300m for Rovers is real- I even know the name of the bank account it is in. And that information has not come from the Syed camp. Of course it is one thing to deposit a sum in a bank account and another to write cheques and fulfilling conditions but there is money where the mouth is.

I have been supportive and positive about VH and Mrs Desai. I am scared witless by Kentaro and Jerome Anderson and believe they would destroy Rovers especially as the face of VH at Ewood will apparently be Belaji.

[47er]

I have also heard the same thing BPF. It could still go either way. There have been a few serious bust ups in the background.

It might be worth remembering exactly who does what at the club :

- JW is in charge of the board, they 'manage' the day to day of the club but ultimately they have no power to make a decision re the sale, they can only recommend. If board members have different opinions it is difficult to be guided by their collective wisdom.

- The trustees are simply paid professionals not beneficiaries with a vested interest as such. They will try to execute based on their understanding of the contents of the trust documentation. They too can interpret things differently.

- The 'family' who are the real power here and the only true decision makers. There are a few of them and they too have their own views which may or may not agree with each other or be consonant with the views of the trust or board.

There are issues and these are being worked out, that's why most of the info has stayed private and behind closed doors. Some stuff has got out and well placed ears have heard and passed it on to this forum. Some of it may well have been 'placed' by certain actors who want their views to be known. Trouble is you speak with four people and you get four different messages. People read the info on here and then attack the poster because they either can't cope with the uncertainty, have their own agendas or just get more fun out of dumping their bile on their whipping boys of choice rather than being supportive of their best efforts.

As I have said before I've been very upfront that Syed was my first choice but I recognise that the VH people have their merits and are ethical (no more animal cruelty jibes please) so in good faith but with only a partial knowledge of their full capability/assurances I'm happy to back their bid. Maybe this is the least worst choice and this doesn't fit with the counsel of perfection spouted by a few on here, in all likelihood the powers that be in the club also feel this is no better than 'the least worst choice' and is what's causing all the hand wringing.

The Kentaro involvement now that's a different matter, sorry Nicko but on this I don't share your views, their involvement scares me sh!tless.

Interesting points there but that is not in my view an accurate representation of recent debate on here.I'll leave it at that.

[mhead]

Why do I feel the same way as Philip? there's something about Kentaro and the lack of Venky's 'spending money' that give me more fear than Goldberg's 'hatchet' job. And get off Philip's back -he contributes a lot and treatment to people like Kamy by anonymous Internet warriors

is simple bullying. We in the BRFC family are above that eg the legend Ronnie.

[JAL]

Ladies and gentleman the above statement has been sponsored by the BNP.

Just remember folks don't get in bed with any Indian's or any unknown aliens for that matter.

Keep it white eh JAL ?

Blue and white !

[PAFELL]

It is, but I believe that to be the case and it makes me very sad. There are people on this board that just want to see a takeover happen and aren't concerned with the details.

Over the weekend I decided to step back and look at the whole situation. Syed, venky's etc. There are obvious doubts with regards to both. I cannot help consider that Shah is still in with a chance. I do not recall anything negative being said about him. He has remained interested, but in the background. I suggest a silent runner.

Syed, doubts as to if he has the funds or where his fund have come from.

Venkys - concerns expressed with their lack of football knowledge, Kentaro's involvment concerns others. Do Venky's have the finances needed to takeover and support the club.

Somebody tell me more, remind me, about Shah - what is the bad stuff about him and his bid?

[47er]

Why do I feel the same way as Philip? there's something about Kentaro and the lack of Venky's 'spending money' that give me more fear than Goldberg's 'hatchet' job. And get off Philip's back -he contributes a lot and treatment to people like Kamy by anonymous Internet warriors

is simple bullying. We in the BRFC family are above that eg the legend Ronnie.

There's no Kamy situation with Philip, so don't make the comparison.

Sam's comments are in the LT and the Sun. Probably elsewhere as well.

For the record, I have no financial interests in Syed, Shah, Venky's, mystery man, the Trust or Rovers.

Ricky, your PMs are full.

I never thought you had and I don't believe anyone seriously would believe that either.

I'll repeat my concern that you may have been used by Syed's PR people though. Care to comment?

[philipl]

No I have not been used by anybody.

I am a Rovers supporter who is very concerned about where we are now. In these circumstances, I think it is always best to go with the money.

If the Syed money can arrive unencumbered and he is true to his word about not seeking its return, this is a no brainer. Big IF though.

My concern about the opposition to Syed and the Goldberg revelations is there are other agendas at work which don't have much to do with what is best for Blackburn Rovers.

[thenonda]

It will be interesting to see what this week brings takeover wise. It the PR last week is anyhting to go by VH should complete this week and at least they have been here (to Ewood).

I have said it before if Syed wants the club he needs to get on a plane and come talk to the club/trust. The fact that he has not, to me seems to suggest he really isnt that interested.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

No I have not been used by anybody.

I am a Rovers supporter who is very concerned about where we are now. In these circumstances, I think it is always best to go with the money.

If the Syed money can arrive unencumbered and he is true to his word about not seeking its return, this is a no brainer. Big IF though.

My concern about the opposition to Syed and the Goldberg revelations is there are other agendas at work which don't have much to do with what is best for Blackburn Rovers.

The problem is that there were far more doubts surrounding Syed. Doubts which genuinely questioned his financial capability. You wrote off those doubts time and time again, but clearly the Trust do have serious concerns regarding aspects of his bid. You cannot deny that. Venky's have the money. Not as much, but enough. The concerns regarding them revolve around the involvement of Kentaro, which i accept could be concerning, however is not in the same sphere of concern as Syed.

A large proven, international business versus a guy nobody has heard of with funds which very few people can validate. One sounds far more concerning than the other from my perspective.

Syed was totally unrealistic in his aspirations. Buying Beckham? Champions League football? He needed us fans to back him because clearly there were issues with his bid. Why come out with that stuff otherwise? Cheap PR stunts do not wash well and so they shouldnt.