[Archived] Rovers Takeover: End game ?

[Paul]

Who's to say VH are not also buying Kentaro out???

I realise you have the club's interests close to your heart but you need to appreciate money does not solve everything. Sadly all your posts indicate you know the price of everything and the value of nothing. You see nothing wrong with exploiting visiting fans who you perceive as wealthy as the support southern clubs. How do you feel about Jerome Anderson, his associates and other similar organisations exploiting young footballers? These are people for whom football is the only way out of poverty. What price on that Hughesy?

[philipl]

Tired of people "Phillipl" trying to extract as much negative conclusions out of any bit of information..

I posed questions and received answers.

Nicko is a journalist so one can only assume he posted what he did based on what he considers to be solid evidence and credible sources.

Do you think those revelations would never have appeared? Here or in the national press?

Are backing the track record of the Trust or highlighting the FA rules on conflict of interest "negative conclusions"? Has the PR from Venky's been consistent or unambiguously answering concerns raised?

[philipl]

The LT back page carries the following story:

- Venky's bid is on track

- Saurin Shah is expected to make a late counter offer

- this has not been communicated to the club as yet

- there will be little change to the composition of the Board following the takeover by Venky's

- there will be no Kentaro representation on the Board

[Majiball]

I posed questions and received answers.

Nicko is a journalist so one can only assume he posted what he did based on what he considers to be solid evidence and credible sources.

Do you think those revelations would never have appeared? Here or in the national press?

Are backing the track record of the Trust or highlighting the FA rules on conflict of interest "negative conclusions"? Has the PR from Venky's been consistent or unambiguously answering concerns raised?

Oh Philip, whatever are you doing? We just cannot inflict such precious minds with anything other other than positivity. They've all been brought up with "praise" for just competing, well done billy you came 122nd, well done.

[philipl]

Oh Philip, whatever are you doing? We just cannot inflict such precious minds with anything other other than positivity. They've all been brought up with "praise" for just competing, well done billy you came 122nd, well done.

I think that is unfair but this whole episode has been and remains incredibly complicated.

Putting things in context- my attitude to Venky's is:

Mrs Desai = very good news indeed

Jerome Anderson involvement = rapid descent to disaster unless he came to Ewood last week via the road to Damascus or had some other form of divine conversion. Perhaps the private jet to Lancashire took him closer to God- somehow I doubt it.

I wish it were simpler but it isn't.

[dave birch]

Oh Philip, whatever are you doing? We just cannot inflict such precious minds with anything other other than positivity. They've all been brought up with "praise" for just competing, well done billy you came 122nd, well done.

Agreed.

If philipl, nicko, or even BPF stopped posting , where would these people be?

Relying on the LT for their info.

At least those I mentioned add variety to the discussion, rather than outright condemnation of what has been posted.

edit, was Majiball being a little sarcastic?

[Majiball]

Agreed.

If philipl, nicko, or even BPF stopped posting , where would these people be?

Relying on the LT for their info.

At least those I mentioned add variety to the discussion, rather than outright condemnation of what has been posted.

edit, was Majiball being a little sarcastic?

NO.

Fed up with all the trolling and abuse, because people pass on the information available at that moment in time.

I think that is unfair but this whole episode has been and remains incredibly complicated.

Putting things in context- my attitude to Venky's is:

Mrs Desai = very good news indeed

Jerome Anderson involvement = rapid descent to disaster unless he came to Ewood last week via the road to Damascus or had some other form of divine conversion. Perhaps the private jet to Lancashire took him closer to God- somehow I doubt it.

I wish it were simpler but it isn't.

No put down towards yourself intended, I'm grateful for your comments through this "adventure" as I'd like to think you knew. I want as much info as possible not just the good stuff how else will a clear picture of what we are getting transpire.

I wish people could understand that things change and what is printed in the press isn't always necessarily gospel. No Nixon that's not aimed at you.

[philipl]

Maji could have been Dave but there is still no way of signalling sarcasm on the internet so it could be read differently.

Part of the problem Venky's face is that having Jerome Anderson where he appeared at the Chelsea game means they will get cut no slack whatsoever as new owners finding their way and they have forfeited their honeymoon with all knowledgeable fans.

The man's reputation goes before him and here in the UK it is massive and Venky's was as good as non-existant until they were announced as the bidders for Rovers. A pure guess but I wouldn't mind betting the result of the opinion poll on the takeover on this MB would be very much more positive for Venky's if Anderson were not involved- I know my vote would have been different.

They have given the reason for buying Rovers as boosting Venky's good name globally so they have to be concerned with contamination by association. They clearly need to get somebody on the ground over here and listen to the chat about Jerome Anderson then either help clean that up or ditch him.

That is simple advice.

[47er]

Agreed.

If philipl, nicko, or even BPF stopped posting , where would these people be?

Relying on the LT for their info.

At least those I mentioned add variety to the discussion, rather than outright condemnation of what has been posted.

edit, was Majiball being a little sarcastic?

Which people? Without Nicko we would certainly lose a valuable source of inside, researched INFORMATION as opposed to rumour or speculation posing as information.

I don't want anyone to stop posting but there has been a lot of deliberate scare-mongering on this takeover and previous ones designed to spook those who are, shall we say, less discerning than they might be.

I reserve the right to say so and I don't give a b**ger what you think or anyone else.

As for "information available at that point in time" how about some patience and taking the longer view rather than being up and down like a yo-yo?

We all love the club, we all want the best for it, running off half-cock all the time doesn't help anyone.

[philipl]

47er

I could hold the mirror up and say the same about your posts. You are assuming I have no sources and no evidence.

Our experiences of life are self-evidently very different.

But believe me, I only want the very best for our club and everything I have posted has been through that prism.

[trueblue]

Hey 47er.. Instead of sniping or having a go at posters who bring snippets to the board, why don't you try discussing them (or better still - not commenting at all on them).

Yes, we understand you have your opinion on things too.. but we aren't getting your opinion, just your condemnation of posters.

[RovertheHill]

One of my biggest concerns about Venky's is that if they are a traditionally managed Indian company (which they appear to be) then the management culture that will exist will be completely incompatible with football in this country at all levels. So if they are employing people already involved in football that is a good strategy. I'm still quite cynical about Anderson but at least he knows the game. But I would say that people using things that Sepp Blatter says to make a point about how ropey he is will only put him in a good light in most people's books

[philipl]

The LT back page carries the following story:

- Venky's bid is on track

- Saurin Shah is expected to make a late counter offer

- this has not been communicated to the club as yet

- there will be little change to the composition of the Board following the takeover by Venky's

- there will be no Kentaro representation on the Board

Sorry to quote myself but this is the important news this morning.

[S15]

And you'd hate for anyone to think that you didn't post it first...

[47er]

Hey 47er.. Instead of sniping or having a go at posters who bring snippets to the board, why don't you try discussing them (or better still - not commenting at all on them).

Yes, we understand you have your opinion on things too.. but we aren't getting your opinion, just your condemnation of posters.

What I'm talking about are not "snippets" they are conjecture and, in some cases, misinformation so I condemn the people who IN MY OPINION mislead.

[47er]

47er

I could hold the mirror up and say the same about your posts. You are assuming I have no sources and no evidence.

Our experiences of life are self-evidently very different.

But believe me, I only want the very best for our club and everything I have posted has been through that prism.

I assume you have less evidence and fewer sources than you pretend. Its certainly not in the interests of the club to ,for example, keep beating up the story that this is a leveraged takeover when the prospective owners have denied it.

And if you did hold the mirror up you would find a poster who, from the first, said a takeover was the only way to avoid relegation and, from the first, said the Trust should be trusted to make the important decision about who the new owners should be.

By contrast following your track would rather less straightforward.

Any way I've said enough on this thread. We are going to get a takeover, which is what I wanted all along. Its going to be an interesting ride, I'm looking forward to it.

[PAFELL]

The LT back page carries the following story:

- Venky's bid is on track

- Saurin Shah is expected to make a late counter offer

- this has not been communicated to the club as yet

- there will be little change to the composition of the Board following the takeover by Venky's

- there will be no Kentaro representation on the Board

Can you post a link to any of this.

For awhile I have considered that Saurin Shah is not finished in his quest to takeover the club. He has been a silent runner for awhile now, waited patiently, still here and still interested.

[Parsonblue]

One of the many questions which remain unanswered appears to be the role of Jerome Anderson. From what I have read it would appear that the Premier League are OK with his involvement. The Trust are clearly happy with the Venky bid and obviously know that Anderson has a role within the bid. If his involvement is such a problem - which it clearly is for a number of posters on this board - why are the club going full steam ahead with the sale to Venky's? I can only assume that they have access to information which the posters on this board do not or are we saying that the Trust simply want a sale at whatever cost to the club? Personally, I'd like to think that the Trust have the best interests of the club at heart and believe that the Venky bid, including Anderson, is the best way forward.

[Parsonblue]

Reading the LT this morning suggests that the Venky deal is more or less done. It states that Shah is "considering" making a counter offer but that neither the Rovers nor Venky expect anything to derail the purchase. As philipl said earlier, the paper understands that Kentaro will no representation on the board. I suspect that we won't know the full extent of the involvement of Kentaro until a little later down the line. However, as I said earlier, both the Rovers and the Premier League don't appear to have a problem with it.

[jny]

This may sound like a stupid question if it's already been covered, but i'm a thorough reader of this topic and havn't spotted the question or the answer, so if/when Rovers' takeover is complete will John Williams remain chairman or even as part of the board?

I think it would be a shame if he did leave - he seems to be a very level headed chairman

[thenodrog]

Sadly all your posts indicate you know the price of everything and the value of nothing. You see nothing wrong with exploiting visiting fans who you perceive as wealthy as the support southern clubs. How do you feel about Jerome Anderson, his associates and other similar organisations exploiting young footballers? These are people for whom football is the only way out of poverty. What price on that Hughesy?

Are you talking about his £10 car parking scheme? If so I wouldn't call it exploitation of visiting fans Paul. I'd call it satisfying supply and demand. You are in business so you should know that better than most.

Personally I'd have done all that stuff Wright, Anderson and the rest were doing way back in the mid 90's in the UK. BRFC were top of the tree with Academy facilities that were as good or better than anywhere else, we had funds coming out of our ears, we had a true footballing legend as manager, a centre half who was Captain of Scotland and an England centre forward who was ranked in the top 2/3 of European football. Both were clean living and a shining example to any teenage would be starlet. We should have used that advantage to exploit and develop every young talent in the country. Which Scot would not have pushed their little footballing

genius towards us if KMD and Big Col were sat in the parlour with a piece of paper to sign? Which proud English parent would not have done likewise with Shearer accompanying Kenny? It would have made them vast wealth, should have made those individuals more reluctant to leave and profitted the club greatly.

We even had the services available of a top sporting journo available. All in all a huge opportunity missed down to a lack of imagination and foresight imo.

[Mattyblue]

Are you talking about his £10 car parking scheme? If so I wouldn't call it exploitation of visiting fans Paul. I'd call it satisfying supply and demand. You are in business so you should know that better than most.

Personally I'd have done all that stuff Wright, Anderson and the rest were doing way back in the mid 90's in the UK. BRFC were top of the tree with Academy facilities that were as good or better than anywhere else, we had funds coming out of our ears, we had a true footballing legend as manager, a centre half who was Captain of Scotland and an England centre forward who was ranked in the top 2/3 of European football. Both were clean living and a shining example to any teenage would be starlet. We should have used that advantage to exploit and develop every young talent in the country. Which Scot would not have pushed their little footballing

genius towards us if KMD and Big Col were sat in the parlour with a piece of paper to sign? Which proud English parent would not have done likewise with Shearer accompanying Kenny? It would have made them vast wealth, should have made those individuals more reluctant to leave and profitted the club greatly.

We even had the services available of a top sporting journo available. All in all a huge opportunity missed down to a lack of imagination and foresight imo.

Indeed theno, John Williams was brought in as eyes had been taken off the ball post the title win.

[thenodrog]

This may sound like a stupid question if it's already been covered, but i'm a thorough reader of this topic and havn't spotted the question or the answer, so if/when Rovers' takeover is complete will John Williams remain chairman or even as part of the board?

I think it would be a shame if he did leave - he seems to be a very level headed chairman

Who on earth do you think knows the answer to that one jny?

If you want an opinion then mine is that JW will negotiate a large severence payment and ride off into the sunset. At his time of life I certainly would.

[Kelbo]

Who on earth do you think knows the answer to that one jny?

If you want an opinion then mine is that JW will negotiate a large severence payment and ride off into the sunset. At his time of life I certainly would.

And with the grateful thanks of the club and supporters for a job very well done!!

[thenodrog]

And with the grateful thanks of the club and supporters for a job very well done!!

Hmmmmm... If he'd left 3 years ago I'd have awarded him an A- or even an A at a stretch but certainly not an A star. However the entire Paul Ince debacle means that I cannot find a reason to go any higher than a B.