[Archived] Kentaro

[Majiball]

im just glad i didnt mention eating hot dogs ,pepperomis or sausauges originally!!!!

aye it does take some licking tho,

So your a mayo licker offer type of guy, fair do's. Personally I let the kebabs deal with things after the mayo's gone on.

[ABBEY]

Right im logging off now so stop fannying about and get back on topic

[Majiball]

Right im logging off now so stop fannying about and get back on topic

Aye your right, its my fault the thread went off topic. I honestly thought it was the ins and outs thread.

[ABBEY]

and not Donna's kebab.

[47er]

I don't follow this thread. As I understand it Kentaro are going to be VH's football advisers? People have said "What do businessmen from India know about football and the Premier League?"

Doesn't Kentaro have a vast football involvement so don't they fill a gap as it were?

Additionally, if they have a lot of players on their books, they can favour us with them, isn't that to our advantage? I understand the fear that, if in a position of power, they could benefit financially from foisting on us players we didn't want but that fear seems to have been dealt with in recent posts from Philip L.

So what's the issue? Seriously.

Back on thread---never did get an answer to this post.

[bellamy11]

That may have been the least funny exchange I've ever seen on a thread. And I've seen T4E hijack a lot of threads.

[philipl]

Back on thread---never did get an answer to this post.

Advisers is one thing, replacing the manager, the team and the board is another matter altogether. Even the police take advice from criminals- that is a metaphor not an accusation.

Ferguson was pretty well spot on mind you when he criticised Kentaro's great rival Paul Stretford for giving bad advice. At the end of the day, an agent's client is a footballer, not a club.

[Fife Rover]

and not Donna's kebab.

And to think I got a 25% warning for a remark which on the scale of outrage/obscenity was 0.0000000000001% as bad as that little series of posts. AND what's more ..... I have still got it 4years on!!! Who said there is justice in this world?

[philipl]

Hmm. Charlie Nicholas (SEM client) says Kentaro and SEM are going to India to discuss the Rovers transfer budget and they will tell us what our budget is.

So this is before Mrs D meets JW....

[imy9]

Just goes to show I think what Nicko said before that kentaro and Vh group are tight.

[BuckyRover]

Hmm. Charlie Nicholas (SEM client) says Kentaro and SEM are going to India to discuss the Rovers transfer budget and they will tell us what our budget is.

So this is before Mrs D meets JW....

You know everything

[philipl]

I hear Kentaro got paid £500k for advising Venky's on the Rovers acquisition when in reality all it needed was a phone call from Pune to Rothschilds.

Every penny going down Kentaro's throats is a penny not going to Rovers.

[67splitscreen]

How strange (500k) a poster on another board who was a scout and knows them (Kentaro) well, said that would be the figure for their services, that was two months ago.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Every penny going down Kentaro's throats is a penny not going to Rovers.

Cobblers. Kentaro's fee could mean one less chicken shed in Pune for all anyone knows, we are not the only mouth they have to feed.

Venky's know nothing about football and the EPL, so it seems logical and beneficial to me that they engage advisors who do.

Find me a knowledgeable advisor in the football world who doesn't have their snout in the trough.

[Steve Moss]

Every penny going down Kentaro's throats is a penny not going to Rovers.

I agree with this. I fully support Venkys taking advice and paying whomever they like for it. As owners, it's their decision. On the other hand, they have the cash and they have the brain power in the form of JW and Sam. I can't see Venkys needing Kentaro. And that suggests to me that the owners don't know much about football management. Which is hire good staff, trust your staff, check the numbers and otherwise leave things alone. All in my opinion, of course.

[RevidgeBlue]

I don't understand all this fuss about the potential involvment of Kentaro in our transfer activities.

What's the difference really between us relying heavily on their list of players or us buying most of our players from the manager's favourite agent's stable? (Souness and Willie Mckay spring to mind) I'm sure Sam will have his favourite contacts too.

They both still have to be paid.

[Parsonblue]

I don't understand all this fuss about the potential involvment of Kentaro in our transfer activities.

What's the difference really between us relying heavily on their list of players or us buying most of our players from the manager's favourite agent's stable? (Souness and Willie Mckay spring to mind) I'm sure Sam will have his favourite contacts too.

They both still have to be paid.

Reading the LT this morning, it seems clear that both John Williams and Sam Allardyce are drawing up their list of possible signings for January while the owners and Kentaro are holding separate meetings to discuss budgets and potential signings. As yet, it would appear that the new owners and Kentaro are not discussing these matters with the manager and that has to be a worry. If the new owners allow Kentaro and not the manager to have the final say on signings it can only lead to problems.

[Kelbo]

Reading the LT this morning, it seems clear that both John Williams and Sam Allardyce are drawing up their list of possible signings for January while the owners and Kentaro are holding separate meetings to discuss budgets and potential signings. As yet, it would appear that the new owners and Kentaro are not discussing these matters with the manager and that has to be a worry. If the new owners allow Kentaro and not the manager to have the final say on signings it can only lead to problems.

Agree entirely, the manager should always have the final say!!

[PAFELL]

Reading the LT this morning, it seems clear that both John Williams and Sam Allardyce are drawing up their list of possible signings for January while the owners and Kentaro are holding separate meetings to discuss budgets and potential signings. As yet, it would appear that the new owners and Kentaro are not discussing these matters with the manager and that has to be a worry. If the new owners allow Kentaro and not the manager to have the final say on signings it can only lead to problems.

I do not think we should speculate on this. I would be surprised if they have not already had conversations about players Sam wants. Sam has been quoted on sky as saying there will be changes in january. That suggests that conversations have already taken place. Sam may have a list and Kentaro may then see Sam's list and then maybe let him know that such and such a player is available. Venky's have said they will give Sam their support for now. Cannot see them doing that, then ignoring his player requests. I hope that Kentaro may have a hand in getting rid of some players on Rovers books, chimbonda, grella and andrews come to mind at the moment. Getting rid of those and replacing them will be helpful.

[philipl]

Be in absolutely no doubt that if JW and/or Sam go during the course of this season, we will be in the deepest ###### imaginable.

[Bobby G]

I agree completely Philip. We are lucky we already have 21 points on board at this stage.

Lets see what kind of list Kentaro may be suggesting as well.

[Bobby G]

Is Mikel the star attraction of Kentaro's player base? I dont see many foreign-based players in there either. Witsel stands out. But the rest are young English-based players largely.

[John]

I don't understand all this fuss about the potential involvment of Kentaro in our transfer activities.

What's the difference really between us relying heavily on their list of players or us buying most of our players from the manager's favourite agent's stable? (Souness and Willie Mckay spring to mind) I'm sure Sam will have his favourite contacts too.

They both still have to be paid.

I think it is more to do with the power in all this - if they (Kentaro/SEM) are purely going to assist us and put names forward then in theory that should be OK.

As long as the manager makes the final decision all could/should be fine.

Can see why people are worried as this potentially could turn out to be a nightmare, just look at other clubs when owners get too involved in the football side of things, most decent experienced managers won’t accept it too.

[BuckyRover]

Be in absolutely no doubt that if JW and/or Sam go during the course of this season, we will be in the deepest ###### imaginable.

To be fair, that's complete conjecture. You don't know who would replace him were he to leave. Hence you can't say we would be in the ****.

It makes a good soundbite though, I'll give you that.

I think it is more to do with the power in all this - if they (Kentaro/SEM) are purely going to assist us and put names forward then in theory that should be OK.

As long as the manager makes the final decision all could/should be fine.

Can see why people are worried as this potentially could turn out to be a nightmare, just look at other clubs when owners get too involved in the football side of things, most decent experienced managers won’t accept it too.

Comioli, Arnesen etc.

They chose the signings for the manager. The teams where these guys worked have had ups and downs but I wouldn't say they were all in perpetual crisis

[Bobby G]

There is a huge difference between having a Valdano, or Comolli or whomever in the first place than hiring consultants who have their own "product" to effectively sell. I think that is clear for anyone to understand.