[Archived] Quick Poll: Venky's Takeover. Yes or No

[Hughesy]

Those voting NO - Why??

Whats your alternative?? £0 budget (ONLY IF we finish on budgetted position).

There are no Rovers fans our there with cash that wants us, there are no british looking to buy a club with serious cash...and the others that went for us - Shah doesnt have any cash & wants these boys to fund it & Syed had 6 months but still didnt get clear!!

Also consider your vote could impact on how the trust see the sale....which could REALISTICALLY ensure we get no funding & possible struggle & go down over the next couple of seasons.

[den]

Those voting NO - Why??

Whats your alternative?? £0 budget (ONLY IF we finish on budgetted position).

There are no Rovers fans our there with cash that wants us, there are no british looking to buy a club with serious cash...and the others that went for us - Shah doesnt have any cash & wants these boys to fund it & Syed had 6 months but still didnt get clear!!

Also consider your vote could impact on how the trust see the sale....which could REALISTICALLY ensure we get no funding & possible struggle & go down over the next couple of seasons.

Because at the moment, I haven't seen anything coming from them, or anyone else Hughesy that I particularly like. Unless you take the £5m in January as being enough to persuade me to put the future of the club in their hands. If it pans out that we are entirely in the hands of two brothers with no experience whatsoever in running any football club, never mind an English PL club, allied to an unknown role from Venkaro, how could anyone be in favour? That's that turned around then!

I've always been in favour of us being sold and I'm still very firmly of the view that we must find good buyers, but the fact that there is no alternative to sell to VH doesn't mean I like it.

Of course, when and if they present their plans, I might well change my mind, but at the moment the vote is about whether we think VH are the right people to take our club. Or at least, that's how I see it.

[Majiball]

Because at the moment, I haven't seen anything coming from them, or anyone else Hughesy that I particularly like. Unless you take the £5m in January as being enough to persuade me to put the future of the club in their hands. If it pans out that we are entirely in the hands of two brothers with no experience whatsoever in running any football club, never mind an English PL club, allied to an unknown role from Venkaro, how could anyone be in favour? That's that turned around then!

I've always been in favour of us being sold and I'm still very firmly of the view that we must find good buyers, but the fact that there is no alternative to sell to VH doesn't mean I like it.

Of course, when and if they present their plans, I might well change my mind, but at the moment the vote is about whether we think VH are the right people to take our club. Or at least, that's how I see it.

You put it far more eloquently than I could.

+1

[bob fleming]

Those voting NO - Why??

Whats your alternative?? £0 budget (ONLY IF we finish on budgetted position).

....which could REALISTICALLY ensure we get no funding & possible struggle & go down over the next couple of seasons.

Hughesy - there's a big difference between funding and getting into debt. These guys are paying £46m to start. £5m in January allegedly, then more money to come next summer. All for free! How very kind of them.

It's a very expensive advert if you ask me. However, I've voted "undecided" - clearly I haven't all the facts but I just can't see the attraction and how this is going to work for Venkys and more importantly Rovers benefit.

If you had told anyone 4 years ago that come 2010 Rovers would have been owned by Indian Chicken farmers and that it would be a good move you'd have been laughed out of town. Times change of course, the Trust weren't putting money in - but neither were they crippling us with debt.

There are too many question marks for me to give this the thumbs up at the moment.

[John]

I agree with those who say once we have more detail from Venky's we can make an informed judgement (or have an opinion whether we feel comfortable with it all).

However, previously, new owners have come into other clubs with grand plans and they never materialised - who's to say it won't be the case with us?

It will be actions which will speak louder than words and we will have to wait and see what unfolds.

[roversmum]

But it isn't UP to US to 'make the informed judgement'. It's up to the Trust. They DON'T WANT the club any longer. They're are not going to provide any further funding. All we can do is hope that the Trust makes the right decision with the information they have.

[John]

But it isn't UP to US to 'make the informed judgement'. It's up to the Trust. They DON'T WANT the club any longer. They're are not going to provide any further funding. All we can do is hope that the Trust makes the right decision with the information they have.

Of course it is up to the Trust, I was referring to voting on the poll....

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I'm in the undecided camp,at this stage we just dont know what their intentions are for our club.

So many questions need to be answered I feel.

[roversmum]

Apologies, John, I'm just so fed up with some of the nonsense that is being sprouted! Think this is getting to all of us, whichever way you look at it changes are going to happen but who knows whether for better or worse? Even the Trust can't be completely certain of that. Unfortunately we will probably be the last to know what is truly going on.

[The Harwood Yankee]

I voted 'Undecided' and was surprised to see that that didnt represent the overwhelming majority on here. How can anyone make an informed decision at this stage? Agreed we are hardly likely to set the Premiership alight with the Trust still in charge but a £5 million transfer kitty and a stated target of 'mid-table' from Venkys ensures the same result.

The best we can hope for is to keep JW as chairman and hope that the club will remain as well run as it has been in the past. The worst is that they sell the stadium naming rights and any other family silver they can get their hands on, put bugger-all up for new players in the future, and we drift back to Championship level. Hence 'Undecided'!

[philipl]

The balance of what we do know and what we have seen to date swayed me to no over undecided.

I am worried about the club that means so much to me.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Dosn't matter how we vote, no matter what Hughesy reckons, our opinion means squat.

Rovers are going to be around for a long, long time. We are going throught turbulance, strap yourselves in and enjoy the trip.

(A qualified "yes" from me btw. The Trust was killing us)

[Alan75]

Voted No.

Better the devil you know, in my opinion.

Whilst the Trust are not pumping money into the club, there are members of the Walker family who still have an affinity to the club, even though to some of them it's just in honour of their father / grandfather / brother.

My feeling is the we have prospective foreign buyers who by their own admission know little about the running of a football club, let alone a Premiership club with a history, who for £45million are getting the club on the cheep.

Im surprised at how thankfull some people are that the prospective buyers are prepared to put £5million into the transfer pot in January. Making their expenditure £50million in total.

Whats to say that they couldnt recoup more that 50% of their initial outlay by the sale of Chris Samba, Phil Jones and Robinson. It's whats called asset stripping.

Those calling the Trust tend to forget that it wasnt so long ago that the trust authorised the purchase of our young unknown centre striker from Croatia for £6million.

I hope that if Venky do purchase the club, that everything works out well, but I have my reservations.

ps

Update on the house up our road for sale,

The owners had an offer put on it but its back on the market, but if they dont get more interest by the end of November they are taking it off the market.

[Mattyblue]

6million for Kalinic? That let us have an actual net spend that years did it? We had just pulled in £17million for Roque!

[gumboots]

The poll is just too simplistic. I'm not over the moon at the prospect of these people owning us. I'm not opposed to it either. I'm not just undecided. I want the takeover to happen and I want the outcome to be good. If it was a straight yes or no decision that had to be taken, I'd probably vote yes on the grounds that the devil we know doesn't want to know us, but I'd be giving it with my fingers and toes and anything else possible crossed. It's like that moment before a parachute jump. You know you've got to go and you know it could be the most exciting thing ever, but it feels so scary you're not sure you can ever bring yourself to do it because it could all end in the most awful mess.

[Damage]

For those that are undecided ......... how can you adopt a "wait and see approach"? Its not like you can turn the clock back if things don't turn out for the best! People have to make their minds up NOW based on the available information NOW. And for those saying that the fans have no influence on the takeover I respectfully suggest you are talking shhhh1ttte. NO one will want to takeover a club where the vast majority of fans are against them - if you have doubts you MUST show them NOW. There is also probably just one opportunity for protest about this on saturday - if venky twins see protests/banners at the match it may make them re-think this venture. If we sit meekly "waiting to see what happens" then we only have ourselves to blame.

[JAL]

For those that are undecided ......... how can you adopt a "wait and see approach"? Its not like you can turn the clock back if things don't turn out for the best! People have to make their minds up NOW based on the available information NOW. And for those saying that the fans have no influence on the takeover I respectfully suggest you are talking shhhh1ttte. NO one will want to takeover a club where the vast majority of fans are against them - if you have doubts you MUST show them NOW. There is also probably just one opportunity for protest about this on saturday - if venky twins see protests/banners at the match it may make them re-think this venture. If we sit meekly "waiting to see what happens" then we only have ourselves to blame.

Sorry but the information thats out regarding Venkys takeover, isnt enough nor anywhere near enough for us to accept them.

Protests seem a little bit stupid at this moment in time as Venky's have done nothing bad, its just that the havent gone that extra mile, yet, to satisfy or give confidence to Blackburn Rovers supporters all over in their worthiness to take Rovers forward.

[Roversider]

I'm not convinced that this is a valid vote given the vacuum of information available to us.

As an aside I voted Yes because I actually do have some faith that the Trust may be trustworthy in this decision but it is based, in part, on an emotional response. I guess that is how most posters will vote unless you sit on the fence with undecided which is the logical place in the absence of information.

The sad news for most people is that WE don't own the club, the Trust do, they are the only people with any real vote. We will have to live with the outcome.

Hopefully we will reissue a poll after more information has been released, alternatively delete your vote and revote.

All too soon to say I suspect.

[den]

I'm not convinced that this is a valid vote given the vacuum of information available to us.

It's valid in the sense that we can vote "undecided".

Let's not get into *arguments about this, it's really just a straw poll giving an indication of the present way of thinking. Doubt very few of us are set in stone about the way we feel. The interesting thing to me, will be which way the voters on here turn, when VH have spoken to the fans. Will they persuade us, or dissuade us?

*argument is the wrong word, but you know what I mean.

[Kelbo]

For those that are undecided ......... how can you adopt a "wait and see approach"? Its not like you can turn the clock back if things don't turn out for the best! People have to make their minds up NOW based on the available information NOW. And for those saying that the fans have no influence on the takeover I respectfully suggest you are talking shhhh1ttte. NO one will want to takeover a club where the vast majority of fans are against them - if you have doubts you MUST show them NOW. There is also probably just one opportunity for protest about this on saturday - if venky twins see protests/banners at the match it may make them re-think this venture. If we sit meekly "waiting to see what happens" then we only have ourselves to blame.

How, without the full facts, can you make a decision, on heresay? rumours? until we are in possession of the full facts a decision cant be made, thats why, on rumours alone, a person will never be convicted in a British Court,, there has got to be evidence on the basis of facts, heresay is not permissable in English Law, the takeover is no different, the Judge and Jury are the Trust and the Board of Directors, I may be wrong here, but despite the Trust owning the club, the Board of Directors have to be in agreement of the sale of the club, a precident appears to have been made with the issue at Liverpool, where the Directors decided upon the sale of LFC, not Hicks or Gillet (the owners) In Rovers Case, the Board are Rovers through and through and they wont let us down!!

[den]

I may be wrong here, but despite the Trust owning the club, the Board of Directors have to be in agreement of the sale of the club, a precident appears to have been made with the issue at Liverpool, where the Directors decided upon the sale of LFC, not Hicks or Gillet (the owners) In Rovers Case, the Board are Rovers through and through and they wont let us down!!

I don't think the directors have any say Kelbo. The trustees employ JW and can sack him at any time. Liverpool were in a completely different position where the bank was calling in their cash.

[Roversider]

It's valid in the sense that we can vote "undecided".

Let's not get into *arguments about this, it's really just a straw poll giving an indication of the present way of thinking. Doubt very few of us are set in stone about the way we feel. The interesting thing to me, will be which way the voters on here turn, when VH have spoken to the fans. Will they persuade us, or dissuade us?

*argument is the wrong word, but you know what I mean.

Fair comment, it's an issue that has me scratching my head really so it isn't something I feel strongly about. I still think we should readdress this as soon as we have had some real information about business plans, staff retention, Kentaro etc.

So I guess that I do accept that it is a valid vote, just maybe based on more emotion than facts.

[Mc Love]

Voted undecided although I had a dream last night and we signed a fancy manager and his first signing was Torres!!!

[jodrell]

Voted undecided, the club needs to be sold to progress. But as in previous attempts to buy something comes up to prevent the sale. It needs to be 100% right for the club, with all the different information on here I am not sure it is.

[USRoverME]

I've voted undecided, but leaning yes. I feel, based on what I've seen, that they'd be similar hands to the trust from a few years ago.... small to modest yearly backing, no major splashes, no crippling debt. Of course, since its just a feeling, I'm still undecided.

I can see the arguements for yes and undecided. But not being an Englishman myself, the 'no' arguements have little pull to me. I'm not convinced that the trust will ever get back to putting money into the club in the near term based on the current economy (which doesn't appear to be getting rosier anytime soon). In a sense, the Trust has been 'asset stripping' us for the past number of years, Duff, Bentley, Santa Cruz, Bellamy, even McCarthy to a degree. Any big star goes away for cash, not all of which being pumped into the club. Could the Trust have been more efficient at taking out cash from those sales, sure... but who is to say that the Trust wouldn't start getting more efficient with the likes of Samba, Robinson and most worringly Jones.

Though I didn;t experience it, I appreciate and respect the history of Rovers. I think any decent minded individual linking themselves to Rovers would do the same.