[Archived] BIG SAM GONE

[BuckyRover]

Too true- has a certain attraction for the agenda of Jerome Anderson though doesn't it?

Focussing on Sam, thefollowing is rather more certain than anything is at Rovers at the moment:

1) Sam will not be unemployed for long

2) He is quite likely to become Manager of another Rovers-sized PL club

3) That club will then do the double over us, repeatedly

4) That club will hog one of the places 5 to 10 making a top half finish even more difficult for Rovers.

I'm not even convinced that 1 and 2 will happen.

We will see.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Go to 0.39.

Ok, that's random.

Am I now supposed to post a clip of the little guy from Different Strokes saying "What you talking about Willis"?

FFS

(not aimed at you Ozzie)

[Mattyblue]

Would you stop going if we were in the Championship playing entertaining football?

Is it possible that the fans who would stop going are more likley to be following Rovers simply because they are in the Prem? Those with a love of the club, not its staus would still attend the lower leagues - granted that might only be around 6k!

I'd be there in the Northern Premier, doesn't mean I want it, I appreciate what an achievement it is to see a club from a small deprived town constantly upsetting the odds. A real feeling of pride.

Playing 'good' football and losing and/or being in the lower leagues is not what I want from my club. If someone can marry up the two- fantastic, but results come first for me every time.

[RevidgeBlue]

btw ...... Last night I was pledged a few grand in minutes (sorry in seconds!) as soon as I mentioned FC Lanky Rovers and resurrecting the Anchor Ground. Maybe time to bring it on. My allegiance to the club is wearing mighty thin. It is simply not BRFC anymore. Nothing to do with Blackburn. Nothing to do with us. Nothing to do with football. And in a few months I'd wager nothing to do with the Premier League. If a new local club representing local paople could not attract a good few thousand supporters away from the current abortion then it'd be a poor do.

Gordon get a grip for heaven's sake. It's still the same Club you've always supported.

All the new owners have done is get rid of a very average manager. Whether they replace him with a better or worse one remains to be seen.

There is no devious masterplan from the Walkers or a cat in hells chance they will ever buy us back - they couldn't wait to get rid of us.

[den]

Playing 'good' football and losing and/or being in the lower leagues is not what I want from my club. If someone can marry up the two- fantastic, but results come first for me every time.

and as much as some have said that they wanted Sam out because of the football, they really want what you and I want Matty - winning football. It's a professional sport and professional sport is about winning. That's the real attraction. Chairmen like winning, managers like winning and players like winning. Ask John Williams if he would swap winning games for attractive football. He's responsible for the safe keeping of the club and the only way he can guarantee that, is by the team winning games.

Do England football fans want anything other than a winning team? Do the cricket fans in Perth want anything more than winning tomorrows test match? I've never enjoyed losing a game of football, no matter how well we've played.

[Jimmy612]

I think people are getting caught up in thinking that Venkys are going to appoint a top manager... perhaps they want to but who will accept being Kentaros puppet.

How many times have we seen managers walk away from a club because they have no control? Keegan, Curbishley(WHU, MoN...

These suggestions such as MoN, Jol, Holloway are all ludacris becasue they are there own men and won't be strung along. So i feel that Venkys may have had their ideas and have been told to f**k off hence the change of target and contradicting reports all of the time.

We can put that down as theory number 1..

Theory number 2 could quite easily be that their puppet is Kean and they feel they do not need a 'real manager' who will not be controlled, whilst kentaro are in charge of transfers and all other club 'business'

I think that Venkys are so far off with their knowledge of football that it's quite untrue, and they have no idea of the detrimental effect that could occur by sacking a manager who is very popular among players and arguably among fans.

We have lost a massively authoritive figure in Allardyce and have replaced him with a completely inexperienced coach. Understandable if the players are not playing for the manager and the performances are not good enough... absurd if the players can't understand the decision themselves and are 'devastated' by the sacking.

I can only see a negative effect created so far.. maybe because I am a big fan of Allardyce.. maybe because all the signs so far point at a complete lack of understanding of the game and a complete lack of respect towards this club.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

I'd be there in the Northern Premier, doesn't mean I want it, I appreciate what an achievement it is to see a club from a small deprived town constantly upsetting the odds. A real feeling of pride.

Playing 'good' football and losing and/or being in the lower leagues is not what I want from my club. If someone can marry up the two- fantastic, but results come first for me every time.

Is that not the aim of the new owners though - to marry up the two?

Granted they've gone/are going about it in a bizarre fashion, but I assume that is their intention.

Lets face it, nobody else is/was prepared to have a go.

[Al]

In my opinion the Venkys naivity and total lack of knowledge about Premiership football is there for all to see. They do not like the style of football being played and they think that by changing the manager and signing a couple of second rate footballers we can play excellent football and get into the Champs league.

Kentaro it would seem are happy to go with this as they can make money out of their agency fees.

What happens when they realise that it is not going to happen nobody knows. Maybe Shah will pick it up at a bargain price if we are still in the Premier league.

[chris]

In my opinion the Venkys naivity and total lack of knowledge about Premiership football is there for all to see. They do not like the style of football being played and they think that by changing the manager and signing a couple of second rate footballers we can play excellent football and get into the Champs league.

Kentaro it would seem are happy to go with this as they can make money out of their agency fees.

What happens when they realise that it is not going to happen nobody knows. Maybe Shah will pick it up at a bargain price if we are still in the Premier league.

Just not logical they could be that stupid, computer says "no".

[Al]

Nothing they have done up to now is logical is it?

[BuckyRover]

Nothing they have done up to now is logical is it?

Wanting entertaining football & sacking Sam.

Not knowing much about football & hiring advisors

Both logical

[47er]

Wanting entertaining football & sacking Sam.

Not knowing much about football & hiring advisors

Both logical

I don't know about "logical" but certainly very naive.

[tony gale's mic]

Gordon get a grip for heaven's sake. It's still the same Club you've always supported.

All the new owners have done is get rid of a very average manager. Whether they replace him with a better or worse one remains to be seen.

There is no devious masterplan from the Walkers or a cat in hells chance they will ever buy us back - they couldn't wait to get rid of us.

"Average" managers don't manage in the top league, take Bolton to within goal difference of CL qualification, have sustained top 6/top 8 finishes with them then come to Rovers, have a negative transfer budget and turn them around from relegation certainties to a top 10 team. Newcastle he was barely given a chance.

That's not the definition of an average manager, it's a very good manager who plays a style of football that doesn't happen to be aesthetically pleasing.

They've got rid of a very good manager, replaced him with a complete novice, and have offered contradictory statements - one saying he'll be here till the end of the season, one saying an English manager will be appointed in 10 days, one saying theyre currently employed and another saying they've been after Maradona.

Do you really think this is the Rovers way of doing things?!

[Mattyblue]

Wanting entertaining football & sacking Sam.

Not knowing much about football & hiring advisors

Both logical

Wanting entertaining football, NEEDING Premier League football... sacking Sam midseason- Illogical.

Not knowing much about football... hiring Agents- Illogical

[tony gale's mic]

Wanting entertaining football & sacking Sam.

Not knowing much about football & hiring advisors

Both logical

Expecting entertaining football and a top 5 finish despite having had hardly any money invested in the team before this, and (on the face of it) not having huge amounts of money to spend themselves.

Hiring a group of football agents to conduct transfer dealings, and putting their transfer wishes above that of a manager.

Both illogical.

This is pretty easy, isn't it?

[Hughesy]

Expecting entertaining football and a top 5 finish despite having had hardly any money invested in the team before this, and (on the face of it) not having huge amounts of money to spend themselves.

You will find the plan is to MAKE us a top 5 team...not expect it this season.

Also how do you know they have no cash?? It was only last week Nicko was saying how we was looking at £10m carlton cole, £7m NZogbia & £3m Adam....and that was just to start!!

[BuckyRover]

Crying without knowing all the facts.

Illogical

Very easy

[Jackson]

Buying the best club ever - logical.

Wanting entertaining play - logical.

Retaining JW - logical.

Declining the services of fatty noscoredrawsnoozefestbore himself - Christmas come early.

It is easy.

[Bobby G]

You will find the plan is to MAKE us a top 5 team...not expect it this season.

Also how do you know they have no cash?? It was only last week Nicko was saying how we was looking at £10m carlton cole, £7m NZogbia & £3m Adam....and that was just to start!!

That turned out to be Sam's list for starters.

[tony gale's mic]

You will find the plan is to MAKE us a top 5 team...not expect it this season.

Also how do you know they have no cash?? It was only last week Nicko was saying how we was looking at £10m carlton cole, £7m NZogbia & £3m Adam....and that was just to start!!

Then why sack Sam?!

When we spend that kind of money I'll believe it, but it was Allardyce that was looking at those players, there was nothing to say we'd buy them all in one.

To compete with Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Spurs we would need to spend BIG over a sustained period of time. Hundreds of millions. I doubt Venky's have that much money, since they were talking about leasing players and £5m transfer budgets.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Its not sentimental clap trap, its a sensible post. Sam's style of football is functional but drab, relying on free kicks, long throws and corners. Its the most mundane, boring, unentertaining rubbish you could watch. He plays one up front with no midfield backing the lone man up, has an aversion to wing play or any movement of players at more that a pedestrian pace. I have been a Rovers fan for 30 years and this year is the first season in a long time that I havent bought a season ticket because far from being entertained under Sam, I found myself dreading going to Ewood. Ok, so he saved us from relegation and we then finished 10th, but Sams inflexibility and unwillingness to change his approach has been his undoing. We pay to watch football and be entertained. Sam does not entertain.

Accyrover

Perehaps entertainment is the wrong word as it conjures up images of going to the flicks or the circus. For me it's all about adrenalin and excitement. Didn't happen ever match under any manager, but it was the prospect of it that kept me hooked. Under Allardyce there wasn't any with no propsect that there ever would be. I enjoyed his first 6 months more than the rest because there was adrenalin brought about by our precarious position - every game mattered, hell, every kick mattered. Since then, nothing.

[Zulu]

"Average" managers don't manage in the top league, take Bolton to within goal difference of CL qualification, have sustained top 6/top 8 finishes with them then come to Rovers, have a negative transfer budget and turn them around from relegation certainties to a top 10 team. Newcastle he was barely given a chance.

That's not the definition of an average manager, it's a very good manager who plays a style of football that doesn't happen to be aesthetically pleasing.

They've got rid of a very good manager, replaced him with a complete novice, and have offered contradictory statements - one saying he'll be here till the end of the season, one saying an English manager will be appointed in 10 days, one saying theyre currently employed and another saying they've been after Maradona.

Do you really think this is the Rovers way of doing things?!

Bloody hell! Saved me typing it. Our thoughts are frighteningly similar - other than the fact that you're a Rover and I'm a Wanderer, of course.

You will not replace Allardyce with a better manager, whether you enjoy his style or not.

[Jackson]

Bloody hell! Saved me typing it. Our thoughts are frighteningly similar - other than the fact that you're a Rover and I'm a Wanderer, of course.

You will not replace Allardyce with a better manager, whether you enjoy his style or not.

Maybe that's more a reflection of both being used to the stagnation of persistent mediocrity.

By better, I once saw someone sleeping in the stands. Summed it up for me.

[tony gale's mic]

Crying without knowing all the facts.

Illogical

Very easy

Well, it is pretty much a fact that Kentaro are heavily involved with our transfer dealings, since multiple sources have said this including nicko, and multiple sources have also said that they clashed with Allardyce about differences of opinion on transfer lists.

Some posters seem to be so illogical in their stances that I swear they must be plants by one of the Burnley messageboards.

Backing Ince, supporting the sacking of Sam and being pro our new owners would seem to place you very much in that camp...

Bloody hell! Saved me typing it. Our thoughts are frighteningly similar - other than the fact that you're a Rover and I'm a Wanderer, of course.

You will not replace Allardyce with a better manager, whether you enjoy his style or not.

Had we gone for someone like Jol then maybe, but as things stand with Kentaro wanting so much control most managers worth their salt wouldn't touch us with a ten foot bargepole.

[chris]

Buying the best club ever - logical.

Wanting entertaining play - logical.

Retaining JW - logical.

Declining the services of fatty noscoredrawsnoozefestbore himself - Christmas come early.

It is easy.

yeah amazing and every can turn this into a positive or negative.

me, i'm positive at the moment.

buying the best club ever lol