[Archived] New Rovers Boss

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

  On 16/12/2010 at 19:40, BPF said:

Sorry all,

You have to admit, it really is a heart over head moment but to be able to sing that song again would be amazing.

The things I've heard are as follows:

1. VERY high ranking people at Venkys' have seen this board along with others and are shocked. They are used to being treated like royalty and are rarely called anything other than 'Sir'. It is naive of them but I do think that they want their decisions to be respected as best for the club, regardless of what experience may tell the fans.

BPF, you seem reasonably clued up on goings on. Are you able to confirm whether this lot have any money to back up their lofty ideas, or are they simply hoping that by being positive we will be able to finish top 6?

[Kelbo]

  On 16/12/2010 at 20:20, den said:

He might be, but I can't see how anyone can know if he can do the first team managers job yet. Certainly not Venky's because there's no way on earth that they are in a position, have been around long enough, or have enough knowledge of football to know how good a manager Kean might be. Someone has told them, haven't they. And we all know who, don't we!

Back to Venky's and judging someone after two games. If they can give him the job after two decent performances, I assume they can also sack him after two bad performances. Doesn't sound any better does it.

Now that is a good point, no one from Venkys knows enough nor has seen enough of Steve Kean to make comment or to praise, how do they know he 'works hard', how do they know he 'works long hours', how do they know he is more into a passing game?

Yes, someone has told them, yet who, not even Anderson or Kantaro or whatever they are called, therefore it could well be someone at the club!!

I know from comments via Brockhall that he is a pretty decent coach but the point is, the owners wont have any idea, they are totally inept and do not understand football or the culture of our club, so again I reitorate who has told them.

As i stated on another thread, the heiarchy or the Prem are watching Rovers and its involvement with Anderson and the sports agency very closely and are waqiting, in fact dying to pounce.

[Fife Rover]

  On 15/12/2010 at 15:32, nicko said:

The confusion exists all round.

Both Sky and Talksport did not listen to the latest interview properly.

It was not hard to follow.

But...the info coming out is also mixed.

Kean has been given a run of two months/three months/the rest of the season depending on Mrs D's mood at the time.

And in the space of a day Maradona has gone from someone who was the first they considered to someone they considered BEFORE they had a club...so what were they considering him for?

Looks to me like Kean can make the job his own - and that is not just from listening to the interviews.

But the door has to be kept open in case someone 'sexy' comes along.

It is all becoming rather wearing.

You want to try sitting where we Rovers fans are sitting and look at it from there Nicko.

[Hi Mack]

  On 16/12/2010 at 20:50, Fife Rover said:

You want to try sitting where we Rovers fans are sitting and look at it from there Nicko.

This is the worst I have felt being a Rover, Even in Div 1 you felt we were well run and we'd be back!

Now we just have 2/3/4 clueless owners who love the spotlight but know nothing about football, how can they have

passed all the tests and requirements set by the club and the league.....i'm sure they'd struggle to pass wind!

[Grabbi Graeme]

SSN saying that Sven has said he has had no contact form Venky's, not exactly ruling himself out of the running is he, talking of Sven does anyone watch Special 1 TV on BBC3 in the early hours of a Sunday morning, I wonder if we will get a mention on it this week.

The trusting of Kean to do well is a gamble, if it goes right then Venky's look great, if it goes wrong the question is do they have a plan B and somebody to step into job straight away.

Although were not in dire straits, a couple of bad results and some panic will start to set in, will be interesting to see how Kean sets it up on Saturday, he is looking to keep the job permanent, so no doubt he will have the owners message of entertaining football ringing in his ears.

[Kelbo]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:00, Hi Mack said:

This is the worst I have felt being a Rover, Even in Div 1 you felt we were well run and we'd be back!

Now we just have 2/3/4 clueless owners who love the spotlight but know nothing about football, how can they have

passed all the tests and requirements set by the club and the league.....i'm sure they'd struggle to pass wind!

I agree 100% - The football world are laughing at us, the number of texts I have had about our new owners acting like headless chickens is amazing, the Dingles are poking fun at us and are loving this to bits, our only hope that a Liverpool situation arises where the club can sell for a loss to the bloody stupid chicken farmers!!

[Fylde Coast Fan]

We're currently a laughing stock because we sacked a manager the media loathed to watch but how dare a club that's lucky just to be on Sky against Proper Football Teams have ideas of success.

Honestly I sometimes think I'd rather we played well and went down than kept treading water. If this fails and we end up in the Championship then so be it, we've been fighting to stand still for so long, it can't carry on forever. Maybe I've just given up.

If we get six points by the end of the year, we won't be a laughing stock anymore.

[Kelbo]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:22, El Tombro said:

For crying out loud. Talk about self-imposed drama. Sounds like some of you are willing the club into trouble. Give Venky's a chance and then you can get all hysterical.

I am willing to give anyone with an ounce of intelligence a bloody mile, but these people are bereft of a bloody brain!!

Totally inept and incapable of running a football club!!

[Mattyblue]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:17, El Tombro said:

Well let's hope you end up with egg on your face and it turns out to be a master stroke.

Funny how many on this message board want Sam and his 'dire' football gone and, now that it's happened and a 'positive' figure is at the helm, this board is still in uproar.

Why would any Rover be happy with this turn of events? Many of those anti Sam would accept this is a ridiculous position to be in midseason.

[Exiled in Toronto]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:25, Kelbo said:

Totally inept and incapable of running a football club!!

But wasn't it ever thus? Didn't Len Shackleton 50 years ago have a chapter in his book titled "What the average director knows about football" and it was a blank page.

I'm not saying Venky's couldn't have handled things a lot better, but just which knowledgeable potential owners did everyone expect to buy the club? An American, an Arab or a Thai maybe? Because that's who else is buying these days

What's different is that they have an agenda for the club that forms part of their business strategy. This makes us unique, so I expect more than a few differences and early cock-ups. It's uncharted waters for everyone. Factor in the cultural differences and it gets magnified.

They might be misguided and badly advised, but they certainly are not brainless.

[Kelbo]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:32, Exiled in Toronto said:

But wasn't it ever thus? Didn't Len Shackleton 50 years ago have a chapter in his book titled "What the average director knows about football" and it was a blank page.

I'm not saying Venky's couldn't have handled things a lot better, but just which knowledgeable potential owners did everyone expect to buy the club? An American, an Arab or a Thai maybe? Because that's who else is buying these days

What's different is that they have an agenda for the club that forms part of their business strategy. This makes us unique, so I expect more than a few differences and early cock-ups. It's uncharted waters for everyone. Factor in the cultural differences and it gets magnified.

They might be misguided and badly advised, but they certainly are not brainless.

In any area of industry and football clubs, you put a man in there to look and analyse the situation, this can take a few months, we were in no rush, instead they have gone like a bull in a china shop and left the club in dissaray.

We simply must retain prem status, for these people have niether the nouse or the ability to pull us round if we are relegated!!

Now if that is not brainless, tell me what is!!

Her son, the owner states, is an expert on football I rest my case

[philipl]

Brother- Bilaji.

The one who has not said anything to the media yet.

[rovers_rob]

  On 16/12/2010 at 19:40, BPF said:

Sorry all,

You have to admit, it really is a heart over head moment but to be able to sing that song again would be amazing.

The things I've heard are as follows:

1. VERY high ranking people at Venkys' have seen this board along with others and are shocked. They are used to being treated like royalty and are rarely called anything other than 'Sir'. It is naive of them but I do think that they want their decisions to be respected as best for the club, regardless of what experience may tell the fans.

2. I have been told that Steve Kean is in there unless he proves that he shouldn't be. I have been told that if that happens then you can expect to see the Rao's shaking a certain Geordies' hand...

Well you have been right with a lot of things that have happened over the last few months, if this is the case then I am glad that they have a plan B if Steve Keane doesn't work out.

I agree that I would love to see Shearer back as manager, but, it is probably heart over head so I am 100% behind the team and Steve Keane as the manager.

As for reading this board, well, we have been a bit hysterical this week but whether we are right or wrong they can't deny that we are passionate about our club and as well as all the hysterics I hope that they can see that. If they deliver what they have promised then they will get our support.

At the end of the day what matters is the results on the pitch, for me its all about winning football matches so I'm prepared to draw a line under what has happened this week, give Venkys a chance and get behind Steve Keane's Blue and White Army on Saturday.

[King Kenny's Magic]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:06, Grabbi Graeme said:

SSN saying that Sven has said he has had no contact form Venky's, not exactly ruling himself out of the running is he, talking of Sven does anyone watch Special 1 TV on BBC3 in the early hours of a Sunday morning, I wonder if we will get a mention on it this week.

The trusting of Kean to do well is a gamble, if it goes right then Venky's look great, if it goes wrong the question is do they have a plan B and somebody to step into job straight away.

Although were not in dire straits, a couple of bad results and some panic will start to set in, will be interesting to see how Kean sets it up on Saturday, he is looking to keep the job permanent, so no doubt he will have the owners message of entertaining football ringing in his ears.

I didn't know that was still on,thought it was canned when Setanta went pop. Can you imagine Sven talking about whether he should take the rovers job and then Jose chirping in with "DO IT SVEN!"

I hope we go back to the old school and play with...wait for it...2 up front. Nice.

[Exiled in Toronto]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:43, Kelbo said:

In any area of industry and football clubs, you put a man in there to look and analyse the situation, this can take a few months, we were in no rush, instead they have gone like a bull in a china shop and left the club in dissaray.

We simply must retain prem status, for these people have niether the nouse or the ability to pull us round if we are relegated!!

Now if that is not brainless, tell me what is!!

Her son, the owner states, is an expert on football I rest my case

In my experience of takeovers, if the new owners cannot rub along with a key person in the bought company, they are usually out on their ear ASAP. Happens all the time. Cadbury's CEO who had 28 years experience in the company was gone 2 days after Kraft bought it, and 95% of his direct reports gone 3 weeks later.

You might have been in no rush, but then you hadn't just spent 40 million and were being asked to spend another 15 in a months time by a man who they did not like or trust.

Not saying I agree with their timing, but "brainless" is lazy analysis.

[King Kenny's Magic]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:46, philipl said:

Brother- Bilaji.

The one who has not said anything to the media yet.

Mrs D referred to him as being "the football specialist" in the family. They got a bit of a hammering on H&J this afternoon...again.

[imy9]

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/transfer-zone/2010/12/16/2263529/blackburn-rovers-owner-anuradha-desai-hints-that-sam

9 or 10 mistakes out of 10 have been made in the transfer market according to the above.

[my_name_is_Earl]

First post on here for a while but the sacking of sam brought me out of the woodwork.

Well, the sacking of sam was not a decision that was necessarily bad, out of context. I mean here was a guy whose obsession with statistics and playing percentage football meant for a truly hideous style of football to which most football fans really find hard to digest. After all football is entertainment and unless you are a mathematical nerd, sam's brand of football was not the entertaining 'thing' that you look forward to on the weekend. I mean, we work hard all week and then we have to watch in horror as the ball is continuously pumped upfield, most of the time coming straight back at us. 'Statistics dont lie', as sam would say, and we are officially the worst passers in the league this season - surprise, surprise!

In the context of this situation, however, this decision was shocking taking into account the time of the season, the upcoming fixtures and the sheer amount of fixtures in a short space of time. Big Sam, for all his negativity would have most certainly taken nine points out of the next six games or so and would have provided the board with a much healthier looking situation when they could have easily dumped him. One of the most concerning things that we have heard Desai say regarding the decision to sack him is 'why not now?' - shockingly naive to those who understand the beautiful game.

Whatever the future holds, this weekend it is crucial that we show our solidarity behind Kean and particularly John Williams. JW has done a fantastic job and for him to allegedly be on the verge of throwing in the towel, things at the top must be bad. Without JW things really will be tough regarding the long term future of the club.

If the Venky Bro's are reading this, I suggest that you provide the supporters with a much clearer set of reasons for your decision making process, as we don't have a clue what is happening with all the different opinions being offered in the various interviews that you give. Secondly, you better have your chequebook ready if you're going to start yapping about challenging for the top five. Thirdly, you're going to need a permanent manager to settle everything down at the club and achieve your 'expectations'.

STOP ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF PRIMA DONNA'S AND TREAT THE FANS WITH THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE.

In relation to the topic of the thread, I'm open to debate.

[Amo]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:34, El Tombro said:

I was slightly shocked at the sacking but if they thought Sam was hindering the club then why keep him?

When you think about it from Venky's POV, Sam had to go. It's easy to say they should have let Sam see out his contract, but he was eager to sign new blood in January. How exactly can they back a manager with millions of their own money when they don't rate him? And I'm sure telling Sam the chequebook's closed would have gone down a storm. It would have created an untenable situation, anyway. I, personally, would have liked Sam to have seen out the season to give us some stability. At the same time, this is possibly the most daunting yet exciting times the club has had for some while - and isn't that what life's all about? Venky's have their own vision for Rovers and you can't say they haven't seized the day!

[jim mk2]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:51, Exiled in Toronto said:

In my experience of takeovers, if the new owners cannot rub along with a key person in the bought company, they are usually out on their ear ASAP. Happens all the time. Cadbury's CEO who had 28 years experience in the company was gone 2 days after Kraft bought it, and 95% of his direct reports gone 3 weeks later.

You might have been in no rush, but then you hadn't just spent 40 million and were being asked to spend another 15 in a months time by a man who they did not like or trust.

Not saying I agree with their timing, but "brainless" is lazy analysis.

Hence the reason why many takeovers do not work and in many cases cause damage to the combined entity and reduce shareholders value. Seen it time and again in the stock market.

[Drunx2002]

So the job requirements are these:

1) improve results

2) be more successful in the transfer market....with limited funds

3) play attractive football

4) do 1-3 quickly

Not asking for much of Mr Kean are they?

I'm sure most of us remember all too well what happened when we last played open attacking football. We were rescued by big Sam.

I'm no fan of Sam, but this is such a huge risk to take. One thing Sam did amazingly well was to win the "must win" games, almost every time in fact. I really hope Steve Kean finds his feet quickly and pleases the new owners. Based on what has just happened, the owners appear to have a large bloodied axe and they don't look to be very patient. If Kean doesn't do well, we'll be in deep trouble and no decent managers will touch us with a barge pole. And Sam will probably be guiding West Ham to safety with a bloody huge grin....

[BPF]

  On 16/12/2010 at 20:45, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

BPF, you seem reasonably clued up on goings on. Are you able to confirm whether this lot have any money to back up their lofty ideas, or are they simply hoping that by being positive we will be able to finish top 6?

I've heard similar things to Nicko in that they are looking to spend significant sums. I get the feeling that they think that investing £50 million would win the Premiership so their ambitions are a little silly at this point (In my opinion).

However, I do think that they have been incredibly naive. They seem to believe that anything is possible with positive thinking.

[jim mk2]

  On 16/12/2010 at 21:57, Drunx2002 said:

no decent managers will touch us with a barge pole.

Fair point. Venky's antics have already caused a huge stir in the football village. Add the meagre £5 transfer pot and even Ince wouldn't come here now.

[booth]

  On 16/12/2010 at 22:03, jim mk2 said:

Fair point. Venky's antics have already caused a huge stir in the football village. Add the meagre £5 transfer pot and even Ince wouldn't come here now.

Interesting that the likes of Bruce, Coyle and Redknapp who are shocked and outraged at Allardyce getting sacked have shown no such loyalty to their previous employers when something better came along. They soon sacked their clubs off so why the surprise?

Also interesting that the Newcastle cull didn't get half the amount of gnashing of teeth despite Allardyce being on footballs most hated list when he was our manager. Even Wenger has been chiming in. Now all of a sudden SA is some sort of footballing martyr. Course all of these comments are orchestrated by the media.

I can't help remembering the "how dare they" attitude of the press and a lot of so called pundits back in the early 90's. It's returned.

[Balwer]

Nevermind.