[Archived] The Dawn Of A New Era

[Glenn]

Maybe those people "in the know" are using a public forum to pass coded messages about our impending doom to each other, so to some there is a hidden message in the vague portents? "London calling, this is Night Hawk, do you read me, over".

There, that should keep the conspiracists busy for a while.

[deftangel]

I try to take a balanced view, I am certainly open to the possibility that the Rao's are still trying to get Maradona involved with the club somehow, for example. I can see that the Rao's are somewhat reluctant to involve JW since they've been here. I am not blind.

However, some of the stuff that has been posted on here by "those in the know" has been nothing short of daft scaremongering and is just as biased as those who are accused of being "blind". The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but the debate is so polarized at the moment it is difficult to see. People aren't going to take anybody seriously when they are visibly throwing away credibility.

The internet offers a variety of ways to publish information anonymously. If releasing the information they have is not presently in the best interests of the club, then I don't see what benefit there is to "there is something going on, nudge nudge wink wink" type posts on here either, unless it's just to look wise after the event. We ALL love the club here, what's the point?

Thus far, very little of the doommongering has actually manifested. Andersson was apparently here to make a quick £5m in Jan and do one. We were going to sign only Kentaro players, Kean was told he couldn't have Jensen, we are going to sell Samba against his will (lol) to sign players, the players are in "revolt".

The latest is that Maradona wants to be the manager (because somehow, someone knows Maradona well enough to be confident in what he wants), yet somewhere else, (paraphrasing) the job is his if he wants it, he just has to accept. Surely it's a done deal then? But when pressed it would now be nice if the owners came out and denied it.

In the meantime, Kean is in India for a routine monthly meeting on which allegedly one of the items on the agenda will be his 2.5 year deal, something the owners have been on record, on a television camera, talking about.

I don't mean to single out individual posters as I'm sure they've the club's best interests at heart and have genuine connections but you tell me, have I no reason to be sceptical about their information at this stage?

[Glenn]

I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing "I know something you don't". The only person who can pull it off is Nicko, simply because he's obviously respected enough and has enough sources to work for a national newspaper. Unfortunately, unless people are going to post what they've heard, or what they believe, I'm considering it bull****.

Blackburn is a small town. The club employs a lot of local people. Local people with friends, family and loved ones.

Loads of people on here have "contacts" in the club (see Paul's explanation a while ago about his social / family circle containing people quite close) . The questions are how far up the food chain are they, what information are they privy too and how much intentional and unintentional misinformation there is by the time it filters down ?

[gumboots]

I think you're quite right. I don't buy into the everything's perfect at Rovers line, but nor can I get worked up about things I can do nothing to change. The fact is that in any place of work, those with ambition cosy up to the bosses. They make sure it's them who answers the phone when the big boss rings, they say things like "you go home and I'll deal with it" and make sure it's them being seen to do the hard work. It's how it works in schools and offices up and down the country so why should a football club be any different? Kean has used a situation where our previous manager's perceived arrogance and stubborness has not gone down well with the owners to his advantage and has, according to some, stabbed Allardyce in the back. Get over it - it happens.

If John Williams goes, I'll be very sad about it, but then how many more years was he realistically going to stay anyway. It will be a sad day for the club, but then it was a sad day in many ways when Tony Parkes was sacked by Mark Hughes, and we got over that.

It's a time of upheaval, and maybe we haven't seen the worst yet, but I like many others, can't see the point of all the doom-laden statements, when, however bad it gets, we have very little power. I've said many times that you only have to see what happened at United when the Glazers took over to see that even when you have a large fan base you, as fans can do very little.

I don't think all was rosy under the Trust. All is never rosy. I'm not burying my head in the sand about things being wrong with the new owners or the new manager or anything at the club, but I don't want all these vague hints about what you may or may not know or have heard. The only person I spoke to when I asked them about what they thought was going on and what the impact of the new owners would be said" I haven't the slightest idea. Nobody has. We'll just have to wait and see." I'm prepared to do that and give them the benefit of the doubt while I do.

[S15]

The only person I spoke to when I asked them about what they thought was going on and what the impact of the new owners would be said" I haven't the slightest idea. Nobody has. We'll just have to wait and see." I'm prepared to do that and give them the benefit of the doubt while I do.

Exactly. I think if most people from the club told the truth, this is what they would say. However, with a new regime in place I think a few people in and around the club have been trying to make names for themselves, and perhaps tried to get themselves known as 'inside sources.'

[cruz]

I've worked for the same company since leaving school and I reckon the truth to bull ratio of the rumours I have heard during nearly 2 decades is 1:25

Like all companies the people that matter are the last to know.

[TimmyJimmy]

OK you win, we clearly share different passions and interests, I'll stop posting for a while. It's like banging my head on a brick wall, it's just not worth the effort.

And no Glenn I'm not part of a clique and I have no agenda, if I want to talk to someone I just pick up a phone and speak to them, I don't need a message board to do this, I live in the real world not a virtual one.

Enjoy your content free thread and don't get to high on breathing in your own fumes.

[cruz]

Plenty of attitude around the boards recently, not much aptitude

So some people think they know something, so what if they do. We all support the same club.

[gumboots]

Plenty of attitude around the boards recently, not much aptitude

So some people think they know something, so what if they do. We all support the same club.

I don't doubt that some people do know things but either they know them and can tell or they are bound by strict confidence and in that case I'd rather they didn't just drop doom ridden hints but actually kept the full confidence and didn't say anything until such time as they can tell enough with evidence to back up what they are saying. I sometimes hear things too but wouldn't drop hints that I know, just keep it to myself until I can tell all.

[Valois]

Nick Harris on his recent article about our new owners in the Daily Mail.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/01/17/blackburn-india-special-pictures-of-pune-home-of-rovers-new-owners-17010/

Picked out one of the key paragraphs as below -

"The family head a group of companies with a turnover of around £1bn and rising; the group is also expanding rapidly. Reports about their wealth and their financial interests have been patchy, which is why I have just spent a week in India trying to ascertain, for the Mail on Sunday, exactly who they are, what they own, how much money that have, and what they plan for Blackburn.

an interactive and extended version of the same piece will run on this website soon."

[RovertheHill]

I think those journos know with reason they are pretty bomb proof. I am not going any further.

I'm pretty sure these journalists are the same sad sacks that disrespected us when we won the championship, disrespected us when Hughes was in charge and called us thugs, disrespected us when Ince was sacked and disrespected us for poor hoofball when Allardyce was in charge. A simple google search will show you why a considerable number of football fans dislike these journalists.

Tell me Philip, why should we respect their opinions now?

[Glenn]

OK you win, we clearly share different passions and interests, I'll stop posting for a while. It's like banging my head on a brick wall, it's just not worth the effort.

And no Glenn I'm not part of a clique and I have no agenda, if I want to talk to someone I just pick up a phone and speak to them, I don't need a message board to do this, I live in the real world not a virtual one.

Enjoy your content free thread and don't get to high on breathing in your own fumes.

Sorry, I perhaps didn't lace my reply with quite enough sarcasm (or my sense of humor doesn't translate well to text). I was actually defending your stand point and poking fun at all those people who see deep rooted conspiracies and hidden meanings where there are none and think anyone who doesn't go for full disclosure is part of some secret cult.

[BuckyRover]

Sarcasm and irony are tough to pull off on a messageboard. Ignore smilies at your peril

[Glenn]

Sarcasm and irony are tough to pull off on a messageboard. Ignore smilies at your peril

I thought the Allo Allo references we're a give away too

[philipl]

Nick Harris on his recent article about our new owners in the Daily Mail.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/01/17/blackburn-india-special-pictures-of-pune-home-of-rovers-new-owners-17010/

In fact, the family head a group of companies with a turnover of around £1bn and rising; the group is also expanding rapidly. Reports about their wealth and their financial interests have been patchy, which is why I have just spent a week in India trying to ascertain, for the Mail on Sunday, exactly who they are, what they own, how much money that have, and what they plan for Blackburn.

A feature of my findings was published at the link here, while an interactive and extended version of the same piece will run on this website soon.

So you are Nick Harris?

[imy9]

That's what it says in the article, which seems very promising, be nice to see more positive stuff attached to our owners.

[onlyoneDuff]

There was once a poster on this board named Vinjay who was banned because of his seemingly anti Walker-trust agenda...I believe Philipl has taken his place as our resident anti-Venky's mouthpiece and I find his propaganda just as tiresome...one question to you Philipl....for years you were part of the "trust the trust" brigade, yet if they have seemingly sold us down the river as you claim, why haven't you called them out for their sale to venky's?

[Valois]

So you are Nick Harris?

Phillip you have got me, i have given the game away. I am indeed Nick Harris, Daily Mail Journo.

Lazy on my part, cut and paste the paragraph I thought was most significant in the link, didn't mean to paste that bit however. Anyway will be interesting to read the extended version once it becomes available on the Daily Mail website.

[cruz]

Phillip you have got me, i have given the game away. I am indeed Nick Harris, Daily Mail Journo.

Lazy on my part, cut and paste the paragraph I thought was most significant in the link, didn't mean to paste that bit however. Anyway will be interesting to read the extended version once it becomes available on the Daily Mail website.

Hi Nick

As you are the first to write a piece of researched information on our new owners, rather than be a lazy hack driven by ignorance, I must warn you that some will try to shout your findings down because they are contrary to the agenda

[because of boxing day]

Found Premier League Chief's view on Venkys somewhat reassuring about the impending new EUFA rules. Scudamore not concerned about (that Club)Rovers in the context of plans to achieve "break-even"

see/listen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9364531.stm

[ada2020]

Can't help but laugh at scudamore saying city are a very well run club, talk about head in the sand.

[bigbrandjohn]

For all our concerns about Indian owners, I would be far more concerned with these English owners.

Nice signing Wayne mate,responsible for two Arsenal goals and he is on 90k a week.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/West-Ham-mayhem-deepens-after-revelations-Karren-Brady-sent-text-messages-to-senior-players-effectively-asking-for-an-uprising-against-manager-Avram-Grant-article675881.html

pity poor Benni. Enough to drive you to ...cockles and eels.

[Craigman]

The VH Group in Detail

[Sysagent]

The VH Group in Detail

Not so sure about "detail"... Looks as ambigous as every other alleged detailed article on Venkys to me...

[Valois]

Not so sure about "detail"... Looks as ambigous as every other alleged detailed article on Venkys to me...

I spent I mean Nick Harris spent a week in Pune, collating the facts and figures, interviewing the Rao's. I believe there will be more reports to follow on Venkys from our friend at the Daily Mail, Mr Harris.

I'm quite shocked it's taken a journalist over 2 months to actually do some real investigative journalism (not just using google), go over to India, and try and obtain facts rather than just writing speculation.

I suspect our new owners have much more capital than has been speculated, and despite some of their PR blunders, should be taken seriously. Time will tell of course.