[Archived] The Dawn Of A New Era

[philipl]

LT interview with Mrs Desai

[JAL]

LT interview with Mrs Desai

The way they've started think it would be good for all if they left this summer rather than talk about the long haul.

[gumboots]

The way they've started think it would be good for all if they left this summer rather than talk about the long haul.

And where would that leave us? Nobody else wanted to buy us before so what makes you think, unless they are giving us away or we have to be sold by administrators and therefore any sort of reasonable offer has to be considered, anyone would want to buy us in the summer especially if the worst happens and we are in the Championship?

[imy9]

The way they've started think it would be good for all if they left this summer rather than talk about the long haul.

Left? we have owners now who are investing in the club (4 signings so far including our first transfer fees paid in TWO years), are trying to make the team more pleasing on the eye (hiring Kean), so they have made mistakes along the way, but as I have said all along they come with a reputation of being excellent business people and philanthropists, give them a chance hey?

[Majiball]

The way they've started think it would be good for all if they left this summer rather than talk about the long haul.

But they're not in it for the long haul.

“There is no question that we are now here for ever.”

[Exiled in Toronto]

The way they've started think it would be good for all if they left this summer rather than talk about the long haul.

Yes, I'm sure they will be able to sell to Mother Theresa or perhaps Bill Gates.

For them to leave, someone else has to come in

[RevidgeBlue]

The Dawn of a new era?

Must say that I have been becoming somewhat disenchanted with top level football of late. Like most neutrals I completely lost all interest in the footballing farce that is the 'Champions' league long ago. Despite sterling efforts by the media the FA Cup too now holds about as much interest for me as the weather forecast for Outer Mongolia. Latterley lots of other events in football have compounded my cynicism and dismaying me greatly from the embarrasingly shambolic performance of our pampered and over hyped 3rd rate players at the World Cup, the stupid burgers at the FA who annually pay our national managers twice the bonus of a top city banking chief (and worse still extend their contracts BEFORE every major tournament), the skewed balance of power in Premier league and right down to the bad smell of back stabbing, corruption, agent involvement etc surrounding BRFC itself. Nothing about football in this country holds much moral or social value anymore imo. Even the sight of our two new wonder kids was disappointing as they shuffled out to be introduced to the crow all round shouldered and indifferent to their new surroundings.

Dunno if it's age related or not but recently I have been giving serious thought to not renewing my ST next year. I'm coming to the conclusion that there really are better things to do at the weekends. I first saw the light when I stopped attending away matches and I was suprised to find that I have never missed travelling away one bit. Bad news for the Portsmouth landlady and her ilk cos I don't even bother to find a pub with it on the telly anymore. Worse still and I may be wrong but I'm expecting a significant rise in ST prices next season. If that happens that will likely be the final nail in the coffin. If I don't renew then I might just elect to take in occasional matches but in my experience that is a steep and slippery slope to not bothering at all.

Anyway enough rambling the nub of the issue is that I seem to have discovered when in conversation in and around Blackburn that I am not alone by a long way. It appears that the shine has worn off football for very many people. I'll not say anymore but is this the case for any other people on here? Alternatively how about those on here who don't go to Ewood and don't have ST's? Is there anything happening to make you want to change that situation and buy one?

I know that under Sam going down to Ewood became about as enjoyable as a trip to the dentist - regardless of the result.

I am enjoying my football at Ewood a lot more now. It seems the hoped for transformation in our away performances might take a bit longer.

As regards the Champions League, the FA, the National team, and I would add Sky trying to brainwash everyone that nothing matters outside of United/Chelsea Arsenal/Liverpool/Citeh/Spuds, I couldn't agree more.

I still like the FA Cup although I seem to be increasingly in the minority. I think it's vital to non Champions League sides.

But they're not in it for the long haul.

“There is no question that we are now here for ever.”

The use of English is admittedly not perfect but I took that quote to mean they are in it for the long term and will not be off at the drop of a hat.

[thenodrog]

I know that under Sam going down to Ewood became about as enjoyable as a trip to the dentist - regardless of the result.

I am enjoying my football at Ewood a lot more now. It seems the hoped for transformation in our away performances might take a bit longer.

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Drew and beat 2 of the bottom clubs, beat a club in turmoil and lost to two mid table clubs. The jury is still out Simon.

If we beat both Newcastle and Blackpool in our next two home matches our returns will be level with those under the previous manager.

I hope that I am not currently seeing a return to the 'we'll go down playing good football' that we 'enjoyed' so much under Ince.

[Mattyblue]

What actually is Venky's vision?

Has there actually been a single statement (apart from the takeover document) outlining their aspirations, values, short term, long term goals, reasons for purchase on the website or in the programme etc?

We just read newspaper interviews and/or rumour at various intervals that seem contradictory at best.

From day one there seems to have been a lot of smoke and mirrors, with the JW situation leaving a very bad taste.

Of course, they want this to be a success but I still feel an unease...

[Exiled in Toronto]

I'm still waiting to hear the Trusts's vision

[Mattyblue]

The Trust's vision was to get shut, until that time came, hands off and total control for JW.

[cruz]

I'm still waiting to hear the Trusts's vision

I'm sure the trust only noticed they had a club evey year end

[JAL]

Left? we have owners now who are investing in the club (4 signings so far including our first transfer fees paid in TWO years), are trying to make the team more pleasing on the eye (hiring Kean), so they have made mistakes along the way, but as I have said all along they come with a reputation of being excellent business people and philanthropists, give them a chance hey?

Investing Imy9 you're having a laugh. £5m WOW Wee.

Hiring a puppet in Kean imy9,...mmmmmm, he'll soon be found out, the earliest warning signs are there.

So what of Venky's, well they will probably walk away from Rovers with their brand known to the world, and plenty of extra cash in their pockets to go with it, whilst we, Blackburn Rovers, will be in an absolute shambles of a state from the ground, the playing staff, and the club management.

So how can any true Rovers fans take their word seriously anymore after whats gone on over the past few months.

[darwenblueswearehere]

I know that under Sam going down to Ewood became about as enjoyable as a trip to the dentist - regardless of the result.

I am enjoying my football at Ewood a lot more now. It seems the hoped for transformation in our away performances might take a bit longer.

As regards the Champions League, the FA, the National team, and I would add Sky trying to brainwash everyone that nothing matters outside of United/Chelsea Arsenal/Liverpool/Citeh/Spuds, I couldn't agree more.

I still like the FA Cup although I seem to be increasingly in the minority. I think it's vital to non Champions League sides.

The use of English is admittedly not perfect but I took that quote to mean they are in it for the long term and will not be off at the drop of a hat.

Excellent post Rev, I agree with you.

Investing Imy9 you're having a laugh. £5m WOW Wee.

Hiring a puppet in Kean imy9,...mmmmmm, he'll soon be found out, the earliest warning signs are there.

So what of Venky's, well they will probably walk away from Rovers with their brand known to the world, and plenty of extra cash in their pockets to go with it, whilst we, Blackburn Rovers, will be in an absolute shambles of a state from the ground, the playing staff, and the club management.

So how can any true Rovers fans take their word seriously anymore after whats gone on over the past few months.

What a crock. This fella is worth persisting with. He's certainly not a puppet, and unlike his predecessor, he actually listens.

Ok I'm biased because I know him and I also live in his city, but believe me as a born and bred Rover I'm happier now than I have been since Hughes left.

[Kelbo]

Excellent post Rev, I agree with you.

What a crock. This fella is worth persisting with. He's certainly not a puppet, and unlike his predecessor, he actually listens.

Ok I'm biased because I know him and I also live in his city, but believe me as a born and bred Rover I'm happier now than I have been since Hughes left.

I do hope you are right, for I can tell you with all honesty and sincerity, if he fails here, he will really struggle to work even as a coach in pro football as I am hearing people in the game have a mistrust in him, I do hope you are correct but there is a reason he got the Rovers job and it was not based on ability to do the job, explain how it could be?

[imy9]

Investing Imy9 you're having a laugh. £5m WOW Wee.

Hiring a puppet in Kean imy9,...mmmmmm, he'll soon be found out, the earliest warning signs are there.

So what of Venky's, well they will probably walk away from Rovers with their brand known to the world, and plenty of extra cash in their pockets to go with it, whilst we, Blackburn Rovers, will be in an absolute shambles of a state from the ground, the playing staff, and the club management.

So how can any true Rovers fans take their word seriously anymore after whats gone on over the past few months.

Read my post again, you may scoff at 5 million being spent, however how much did the trust invest in the last couple of years? Wages were a burden, we were selling Warnock to cover wages! Remind us again which player has been sold that you would see a must have for Kean? Exactly, and this is January wait til the summer and we will have a marque signing as opposed to... Benjani ;

Secondly most managers in the league are found out as you say, the average span for a pl manager is less than two years so hardly rocket science stuff stating that. What should ring alarm bells for you is that so many first team players are signing long term deals, I assume that is because they trust the manager and Venkys, why don't you too hey?

Look at the club that the trust left us, lack of investment in the squad would have resulted in relegation. Venkys have shown in their other businesses that they invest in the long term not a quick fix.

[Kelbo]

Read my post again, you may scoff at 5 million being spent, however how much did the trust invest in the last couple of years? Wages were a burden, we were selling Warnock to cover wages! Remind us again which player has been sold that you would see a must have for Kean? Exactly, and this is January wait til the summer and we will have a marque signing as opposed to... Benjani ;

Secondly most managers in the league are found out as you say, the average span for a pl manager is less than two years so hardly rocket science stuff stating that. What should ring alarm bells for you is that so many first team players are signing long term deals, I assume that is because they trust the manager and Venkys, why don't you too hey?

Look at the club that the trust left us, lack of investment in the squad would have resulted in relegation. Venkys have shown in their other businesses that they invest in the long term not a quick fix.

Please dont quote other businesses, this is football, quick fixes in football are sometimes neccesssary, injuries and players moving on neccessitate this and if a controlled business plan was the order, then why dispense with JW services, the one man who would have given continuity and stability.

Quick fixes, why rid themselves of Allardyce so quickly? and for the long term you want people on your side, you dont lie to the supporters, the board and Premier League as to their plans and then about turn in such a short space of time?

Oh, and quick fixes meant that we as a club have had to pay three or four players a little more to encourage them stay at the club

[darwenblueswearehere]

I do hope you are right, for I can tell you with all honesty and sincerity, if he fails here, he will really struggle to work even as a coach in pro football as I am hearing people in the game have a mistrust in him, I do hope you are correct but there is a reason he got the Rovers job and it was not based on ability to do the job, explain how it could be?

I don't know who is telling you about Steve Kean's reputation in the game. I live next door to an SPL manager and my brother in law is also very well connected with one of the Old Firm, and actually managed Kean as young player, and believe me, Kean is extremely highly rated up here. Kilmarnock, Motherwell and Aberdeen have all tried to get him as their manager within the last year. I do appreciate that the SPL is not the Premier League, but that still tells me that he must have something about him.

Also, with the greatest respect I don't care whether he will struggle to get work after Rovers, because all I care about is my football club, not Steve Kean, Sam Allardyce or any other ex employee.

I do think we all need to take a deep breath and give the bloke a chance.

[47er]

Read my post again, you may scoff at 5 million being spent, however how much did the trust invest in the last couple of years? Wages were a burden, we were selling Warnock to cover wages! Remind us again which player has been sold that you would see a must have for Kean? Exactly, and this is January wait til the summer and we will have a marque signing as opposed to... Benjani ;

Secondly most managers in the league are found out as you say, the average span for a pl manager is less than two years so hardly rocket science stuff stating that. What should ring alarm bells for you is that so many first team players are signing long term deals, I assume that is because they trust the manager and Venkys, why don't you too hey?

I assume they got a pay rise.

[imy9]

Please dont quote other businesses, this is football, quick fixes in football are sometimes neccesssary, injuries and players moving on neccessitate this and if a controlled business plan was the order, then why dispense with JW services, the one man who would have given continuity and stability.

Quick fixes, why rid themselves of Allardyce so quickly? and for the long term you want people on your side, you dont lie to the supporters, the board and Premier League as to their plans and then about turn in such a short space of time?

Oh, and quick fixes meant that we as a club have had to pay three or four players a little more to encourage them stay at the club

Why not mention other businesses, shows their credentials and how they are in for the long haul.

You need to get your facts right, JW stepped down, he was not fired, show me a statement from either JW or the club that states other wise.

You are happy to state that Venkys are lying, about what? On the one hand you state that "quick fixes in football are sometimes necessary" then on the otherhand state that Venkys were lying when the fired Sam. They gave him a chance, it did not work so they fired him- I agree with the decision (but not the timing).

You honestly think Jones, Samba and co cannot get the same wages at a different club, plus the added on bonus of getting a slice of the transfer fee?

I have asked this question a number of times will ask again for an answer... JW stated that we had the Benni money to spend on a striker (over £2 million), however on transfer deadline day a deal for an unknown Bulgarian fell through because Roberts was not sold, was JW lying to us about the money, or did the circumstances change? I am assuming that you think JW is not a liar, so why one rule for one and a different one for someone else? This is the same JW who fired one of our most loyal servants in Parkes and he found out through the radio...

[47er]

Why not mention other businesses, shows their credentials and how they are in for the long haul.

You need to get your facts right, JW stepped down, he was not fired, show me a statement from either JW or the club that states other wise.

You are happy to state that Venkys are lying, about what? On the one hand you state that "quick fixes in football are sometimes necessary" then on the otherhand state that Venkys were lying when the fired Sam. They gave him a chance, it did not work so they fired him- I agree with the decision (but not the timing).

You honestly think Jones, Samba and co cannot get the same wages at a different club, plus the added on bonus of getting a slice of the transfer fee?

I have asked this question a number of times will ask again for an answer... JW stated that we had the Benni money to spend on a striker (over £2 million), however on transfer deadline day a deal for an unknown Bulgarian fell through because Roberts was not sold, was JW lying to us about the money, or did the circumstances change? I am assuming that you think JW is not a liar, so why one rule for one and a different one for someone else? This is the same JW who fired one of our most loyal servants in Parkes and he found out through the radio...

Most of the stuff printed on here is unprovable, its all about opinions. IMO the most logical interpretation one could put on recent events is that JW was unhappy about the Sam sacking and was persuaded not to go at that point, subsequently he was side-lined when it came to decision-making which affected his job so after an interval of about 2 months he decided to leave. No doubt he could have stayed a bit longer and just picked up the pay cheque for doing nothing but didn't.

The argument is really about whether the new owners should have continued to make use of his talents or not. Most think he'll be missed, Vinjay doesn't.Time will tell.

[Kelbo]

Why not mention other businesses, shows their credentials and how they are in for the long haul.

You need to get your facts right, JW stepped down, he was not fired, show me a statement from either JW or the club that states other wise.

You are happy to state that Venkys are lying, about what? On the one hand you state that "quick fixes in football are sometimes necessary" then on the otherhand state that Venkys were lying when the fired Sam. They gave him a chance, it did not work so they fired him- I agree with the decision (but not the timing).

You honestly think Jones, Samba and co cannot get the same wages at a different club, plus the added on bonus of getting a slice of the transfer fee?

I have asked this question a number of times will ask again for an answer... JW stated that we had the Benni money to spend on a striker (over £2 million), however on transfer deadline day a deal for an unknown Bulgarian fell through because Roberts was not sold, was JW lying to us about the money, or did the circumstances change? I am assuming that you think JW is not a liar, so why one rule for one and a different one for someone else? This is the same JW who fired one of our most loyal servants in Parkes and he found out through the radio...

The whole concept of lying is based on the fact that even in the letter to shareholders stated quite clearly that existing management would not change, if this was not a lie it could be constued as fraud at the best, then we have a situation where we are told they were interested in Maradonna, then they werent, oh dear, we were told that certain players were to be signed but never a bid made. Give Sam a chance? a month? wait on Steve Kean your time is up after Wigan then?

And the question I posed to you earlier, on what grounds do you base your assumption that the future will be brilliant under Venkys? To date, they have split the club in two, well 2/3 against them, made our club a laughing stock among the football fraternity and appointed a manager because he thinks a lot abnd works long hours!! There are hundreds of dedicated football people in non league football who work long hours for little or nothing, purely out of the love of the game, maybe some of those could have been targeted too, one final question, how did Steve Kean really get the job when, on their own admission, Venkys knew nothing about football, had never managed at any level, was a number three at Rovers and was yet pronounced as a first class manager and given a three year contract to boot? This is why so many people are against both Kean and Venkys, the whole thing doesnt make either solid business nor football sense.

[Steve Moss]

I do think we all need to take a deep breath and give the bloke a chance.

Steve Kean has been given a chance. He's the appointed manager, so we have no choice but to give him a chance.

As to earning fan support, so far he has had 9 PL games to prove himself, with a 10th this Saturday. Since December 18, his PL record is 3 wins, 1 draw and 5 losses. If he wins the Newcastle match his 10 game run will be a respectable 1.3 points/match. If he loses, then it will be a relegation performance 1 point/match. A draw would result in an ambigous 1.1 points/match.

I believe a 10 match run is a fairly respectable, albeit provisional, data set for an unproven manager. So neither he nor his supporters should complain if all heck breaks lose in the event of a loss but, in fairness, the pro-Sam crowd (including me) should acknowledge that perhaps he has the makings in the event of a win.

Big Sam once said this a results oriented business. I believe that to be true, as it is in most businesses. Its up to Kean to earn his support by getting results. I believe most of us are watching and waiting to form hard opinions as to his capabilities (putting aside the manner of his appointment).

[Kelbo]

Steve Kean has been given a chance. He's the appointed manager, so we have no choice but to give him a chance.

As to earning fan support, so far he has had 9 PL games to prove himself, with a 10th this Saturday. Since December 18, his PL record is 3 wins, 1 draw and 5 losses. If he wins the Newcastle match his 10 game run will be a respectable 1.3 points/match. If he loses, then it will be a relegation performance 1 point/match. A draw would result in an ambigous 1.1 points/match.

I believe a 10 match run is a fairly respectable, albeit provisional, data set for an unproven manager. So neither he nor his supporters should complain if all heck breaks lose in the event of a loss but, in fairness, the pro-Sam crowd (including me) should acknowledge that perhaps he has the makings in the event of a win.

Big Sam once said this a results oriented business. I believe that to be true, as it is in most businesses. Its up to Kean to earn his support by getting results. I believe most of us are watching and waiting to form hard opinions as to his capabilities (putting aside the manner of his appointment).

Despite my previous posts, I would agree with this post, whilst I was not a pro Sam lover of his football, he was a good manager for Rovers and he was quite harshly done by, however Steve, you are quite right in your assessment and the manner of his appointment, thats what really sucks.

[imy9]

Kelbo- they said they would keep the current management, how does JW stepping down show that they were lying, fact is JW has made a statement confirming what I said, now are you calling JW a liar? I posed a question about JW and the Benni money, was JW lying again? Circumstances change and thus decisions have to be made, as you said yourself!

Finally I gave four reasons in an earlier post as to why I was positive about Venkys and I still am.