[Archived] Some Thoughts On Recent Events

[ada2020]

If I was them and I didn't want Sam I would have waited until the summer, I absolutely agree that sacking a manager mid-season when things are going okay is madness.

However, if they absolutely had to get rid of Allardyce mid-season, I can't really think of much worse of a time. You'd think Kentaro, being made up of supposedly knowledgable football agents, would be well aware of how crucial the christmas period is. Apparently not

Err, we sacked Ince at almost the exact same stage, Sam was two days away from his second anniversary in charge before getting sacked. Getting rid of Ince was absolutely crucial at that time, yes?

Don't get me wrong I agree with your first comment, no way would I have sacked him now with the way things are.

Personally I'll be glad when we get used to this change and move on, the whole saga has become very boring.

[sweet]

Kean wont be incharge of any money come january. Not as caretaker boss.

If kentaro want to have full say over who comes in - then what better way to be able to implement this situation than as a managerless club who is in desperate need of investment.

Who's going to oppose? They know the fans are desperate for some investment in the team come january, so are not going to be saying we shouldnt spend whilst managerless.

It seems pretty clear to me the whole wait a few months before an appointment is made, is a ploy for kentaro to have complete say and control over who gets brought in, in january.

[Amo]

I was willing to give Venky's the benefit of the doubt when they sacked Sam. I figured they wouldn't have done so unless they had someone already lined up (Jol, for instance) or at least a target in sight. But handing the keys to Kean for the foreseeable future, with seemingly no idea who they really want to take over, smacks of naivety on their part. I believe they've grossly overestimated the ability of our squad. We do have a solid group of players and some young prospects but there's also years of severe underinvestment in this team. To destabilize the club at this point of the season is farcical.

Obviously they have time to turn this around, but you only get one chance to make a first impression.

[King Kenny's Magic]

The vast majority of us agree that Venkys should have waited till summer when we were safe. And we know our cub and football better than they do.

Conclusion:either they are megalomaniacs or they didn't trust Sam to spend money in the transfer market which they know is needed.

Conclusion: they trust Kean to spend it even though he is completely untried at this level or they don't need to worry about him because their advice will come from elsewhere.

um......

That's a no brainer!

[beerwins]

Kean wont be incharge of any money come january. Not as caretaker boss.

If kentaro want to have full say over who comes in - then what better way to be able to implement this situation than as a managerless club who is in desperate need of investment.

Who's going to oppose? They know the fans are desperate for some investment in the team come january, so are not going to be saying we shouldnt spend whilst managerless.

It seems pretty clear to me the whole wait a few months before an appointment is made, is a ploy for kentaro to have complete say and control over who gets brought in, in january.

This is the exact scenario that I am expecting and worrying about, no manager will be appointed before Kentaro have managed to get the players in that they want moving, by then we could be in real trouble with new players that no one wanted in the first place, try attracting a manager then, impossible task.

There is only one person who is going to benefit from this situation and it wont be Venky's or Rovers, so the bigger question is why the hell do Venky's have so much faith in this bad advice?

[DE.]

Err, we sacked Ince at almost the exact same stage, Sam was two days away from his second anniversary in charge before getting sacked. Getting rid of Ince was absolutely crucial at that time, yes?

Don't get me wrong I agree with your first comment, no way would I have sacked him now with the way things are.

Personally I'll be glad when we get used to this change and move on, the whole saga has become very boring.

In what way did my statement have anything to do with Ince? It was exclusively about Allardyce, the Ince situation has no bearing on my comments whatsoever.

[sweet]

Has there ever been a club who are only a couple of defeats away from being dragged into a relegation battle, sacks their manager, then chooses not replace them, possibly for a few months or even the rest of the season???!

I feel like im in a dreamworld here. Heads should roll, if come Jan 31st we are still under a caretaker boss.

[ada2020]

In what way did my statement have anything to do with Ince? It was exclusively about Allardyce, the Ince situation has no bearing on my comments whatsoever.

I was refering to the timing, I thought that was pretty obvious?

Both managers were relieved of their duties at the same time, you stated very clearly that there was no worse a time to get rid, clearly this is not true as we proved, firing Ince and hiring Allardyce at exactly the same stage two years ago.

[Steve Moss]

I was refering to the timing, I thought that was pretty obvious?

Both managers were relieved of their duties at the same time, you stated very clearly that there was no worse a time to get rid, clearly this is not true as we proved, firing Ince and hiring Allardyce at exactly the same stage two years ago.

He was very clear that you do not get rid of a manager mid-season unless you are in a relegation scrap. That was quite a condition to miss, in comparing Ince to Sam.

[Exiled_Rover]

This is the exact scenario that I am expecting and worrying about, no manager will be appointed before Kentaro have managed to get the players in that they want moving, by then we could be in real trouble with new players that no one wanted in the first place, try attracting a manager then, impossible task.

There is only one person who is going to benefit from this situation and it wont be Venky's or Rovers, so the bigger question is why the hell do Venky's have so much faith in this bad advice?

Again, if Kentaro use this situation simply to make a quick buck then they're unbelievably stupid. This situation could be a huge benefit to them - if they're smart they're going to do their best to keep Rovers in the league and use us as a platform for their young, exciting players. Which is all we've ever been, for the record.

[Mercer]

Never thought I'd see the day when I was indifferent to Blackburn Rovers. After this week and today, I feel that it is no longer 'my club' as I'm sure a lot of other supporters feel.

The comments by many on the match today capture, IMO, a consensus by the many - I believe that perception is reality.

I am not sure where we go from here but it doesn't feel like we are in for a comfortable ride.

I am seriously thinking of jumping-off this journey as I don't think I can stomach the destination.

[ada2020]

He was very clear that you do not get rid of a manager mid-season unless you are in a relegation scrap. That was quite a condition to miss, in comparing Ince to Sam.

Well clearly I read the comment wrong eh.

[Steve Moss]

Again, if Kentaro use this situation simply to make a quick buck then they're unbelievably stupid. This situation could be a huge benefit to them - if they're smart they're going to do their best to keep Rovers in the league and use us as a platform for their young, exciting players. Which is all we've ever been, for the record.

In one of today's papers, I believe SAF described Jerome Anderson as a person who could not pick his own nose. Being connected to celebrities does not make one a genius.

[philipl]

Again, if Kentaro use this situation simply to make a quick buck then they're unbelievably stupid. This situation could be a huge benefit to them - if they're smart they're going to do their best to keep Rovers in the league and use us as a platform for their young, exciting players. Which is all we've ever been, for the record.

It is what they did at City!

They moved on and found the next stupid one.

[booth]

If kentaro want to have full say over who comes in - then what better way to be able to implement this situation than as a managerless club who is in desperate need of investment.

Who's going to oppose? They know the fans are desperate for some investment in the team come january, so are not going to be saying we shouldnt spend whilst managerless.

It seems pretty clear to me the whole wait a few months before an appointment is made, is a ploy for kentaro to have complete say and control over who gets brought in, in january.

I've thought through this, and what would be the point in Venkys allowing this to happen? How would this benefit their £50mil investment? Why would they allow Kentaro to line their own pockets? It makes no sense for an owner of a football club to allow someone to use the club in this way unless the owner was getting something out of it themselves. But, there appears to be no gain for Venkys to allow this to happen, certainly no legal way. Infact I'm sure it's against EPL regulations, which makes it make even less sense.

That said nothing much is making any sense at the moment.

[beerwins]

How many commission based workers really care about the bigger picture apart from lining their own pocket, I had a job once which was commission based as I am an honest person I lasted 1 day.

So many people on here are missing the bigger picture and blaming the owners, we can look at Venky's who have a different culture to us and know absolutely nothing about football, then we can look at the people who are advising them, lets look at every decision Venky's have made.

Sacking Sam = do you really Sack a manager at this stage in the season when we are in the top half of the table, ok Sams football is not the greatest and many fans would rather have a change BUT at the end of the season.

Why was Sam sacked at this stage? Yes there are arguments to say that you would'nt give plenty of money to someone who is going to be gone in the summer anyway or there is the fact that Sam would never have stood for owners picking players over his head.

No replacement manager = This is a biggie, is it pure coincedence that Steve Kean a Kentaro man is lined up as a replacement for a few months or till the end of the season, you can be sure no-one will come in till Jan has been and gone.

Why will no-one come in? if you are a top flight manager do you accept player decisions going over your head? do you hell, I dont know any decent managers that would.

No statement from Chairmen = ok JW did make a statement but albeit a day late while he decided whether he wanted to be a part of this and what a weak statement it was.

There are many more things that are worrying but that is enough for now, lets see what Jan brings and then people can say whether we should be worried or not.

Agents involement in football is frowned against and we have one that is advising our owners, great stuff eh.

[Dan]

We're totally and utterly ###### aren't we? :-(

[booth]

We're totally and utterly ###### aren't we? :-(

It would unfortunately appear so.

Owners who don't know a thing about football but thought having a football club may sell more chickens.

No manager.

Not a good squad.

Approaching the Christmas fixture list.

Jones out for 4-5 months.

Mrs Desai letting her mouth run riot.

Players seemingly demoralised.

Fans not being allowed an opinion on the club radio station (been going since early 90s and never happened before)

Press loving our plight to the point that Newcastle are given a break.

An agency advising the owners (above the club organisation and management)

Keith Andrews to return in New Year.

Merry Christmas!

[beerwins]

It would unfortunately appear so.

Owners who don't know a thing about football but thought having a football club may sell more chickens.

No manager.

Not a good squad.

Approaching the Christmas fixture list.

Jones out for 4-5 months.

Mrs Desai letting her mouth run riot.

Players seemingly demoralised.

Fans not being allowed an opinion on the club radio station (been going since early 90s and never happened before)

Press loving our plight to the point that Newcastle are given a break.

An agency advising the owners (above the club organisation and management)

Keith Andrews to return in New Year.

Merry Christmas!

Please say it isnt so!!

[tashor]

My future is in your hands...............

[Sandman]

In one of today's papers, I believe SAF described Jerome Anderson as a person who could not pick his own nose.

Just saw that in the Telegraph, here's the quote.

“I think it’s very difficult these days [to build a club] with the life we’re in now, very very difficult. There’s intense pressure on managers now.

You’ve got that issue at Blackburn of an agent involved and deciding the future of the club, Jerome Anderson [of the SEM group], he couldn’t pick his nose. It’s baffling and it’s a serious threat to how clubs get run and how they conduct themselves.

“The unfortunate thing is, it’s actually becoming quite trendy to sack a manager in difficult circumstances and I just wonder whether Blackburn thought, ‘You know, if Newcastle can do it, we can do it’.

[Waggy76]

BLACKBURN ROVERS , WHO UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO , WERE ONE OF THE BEST RUN CLUBS IN THE PREMIERSHIP ARE NOW A

LAUGHING STOCK !!!!

[Bobby G]

Don't like SAF that much but I dont think he talks nonsense the way he used to 15 years ago. More straight up and up front about things.

[philipl]

This Indian news portal will make for uncomfortable reading back home in Pune.

Desai had never watched a football match on television until her company bought Blackburn for 50-million pounds a little over three weeks ago.

She has not yet been to Ewood Park either, but this did not deter her from assuming she was perfectly qualified to pronounce on all matters related to the game and the club.

'Things have been going wrong with transfers - to get nine out of 10 wrong is not good,' she said with startling arrogance.

Desai went on to express dismay that Blackburn were not vying for fourth or fifth place.

According to the Daily Mail, Desai is clearly delusional if she thinks that a single word that drops from her mouth on the subject of football has any credibility whatsoever.

"I have never heard of such a stupid decision in all my life,' said Sir Alex Ferguson after he discovered Allardyce had been sacked. (ANI)

If the Rao family don't know how badly this is going down elsewhere- here is the Times of Malta for what it is worth!

Competition for the Premiership’s ‘most stupid dismissal of the year’ award is hotting up.

These days, however, it would appear that you don’t have to be doing badly or losing games to get your marching orders. Now, apparently, you can become unemployed purely on the basis of your employers believing their club is better than it really is.

And, generally speaking, it isn’t.

The Australian site Tribal actually makes some good points that the Maradona talk was just clever marketing to promote Venky's in South America. But, under the heading that Blackburn Allardyce sacking poor business decision by Rao family

There's no escaping it. It’s a blunder, a massive blunder.

The sacking of Sam Allardyce by the Rao family will set their plans back at Blackburn Rovers months - possibly over a year - and I'm not talking just about things on the pitch.

I'm sure the Raos would have been warned of the backlash of dismissing Big Sam from the football community - and rightly so - but I question whether their advisers actually cautioned them against dispensing of someone so capable and qualified of fast-tracking the plans they have for the club.

Allardyce stands alone in his ability to convince big-name, iconic players to join middle-ranked clubs - the sort of names that the Raos would love to have running around at Ewood Park and associated with Venky's to help sell their club and their company around the world.....

With the Raos now controlling a Premier League club, the stars are aligning for football in India as we enter a new decade.

What's most encouraging is that the push to make the game successful in India is being driven by private companies, owned by successful, high achievers.

Which makes the sudden decision from Rovers to dismiss Allardyce all the more baffling.

[47er]

This Indian news portal will make for uncomfortable reading back home in Pune.

Desai had never watched a football match on television until her company bought Blackburn for 50-million pounds a little over three weeks ago.

She has not yet been to Ewood Park either, but this did not deter her from assuming she was perfectly qualified to pronounce on all matters related to the game and the club.

'Things have been going wrong with transfers - to get nine out of 10 wrong is not good,' she said with startling arrogance.

Desai went on to express dismay that Blackburn were not vying for fourth or fifth place.

According to the Daily Mail, Desai is clearly delusional if she thinks that a single word that drops from her mouth on the subject of football has any credibility whatsoever.

"I have never heard of such a stupid decision in all my life,' said Sir Alex Ferguson after he discovered Allardyce had been sacked. (ANI)

If the Rao family don't know how badly this is going down elsewhere- here is the Times of Malta for what it is worth!

Competition for the Premiership’s ‘most stupid dismissal of the year’ award is hotting up.

These days, however, it would appear that you don’t have to be doing badly or losing games to get your marching orders. Now, apparently, you can become unemployed purely on the basis of your employers believing their club is better than it really is.

And, generally speaking, it isn’t.

The Australian site Tribal actually makes some good points that the Maradona talk was just clever marketing to promote Venky's in South America. But, under the heading that Blackburn Allardyce sacking poor business decision by Rao family

There's no escaping it. It’s a blunder, a massive blunder.

The sacking of Sam Allardyce by the Rao family will set their plans back at Blackburn Rovers months - possibly over a year - and I'm not talking just about things on the pitch.

I'm sure the Raos would have been warned of the backlash of dismissing Big Sam from the football community - and rightly so - but I question whether their advisers actually cautioned them against dispensing of someone so capable and qualified of fast-tracking the plans they have for the club.

Allardyce stands alone in his ability to convince big-name, iconic players to join middle-ranked clubs - the sort of names that the Raos would love to have running around at Ewood Park and associated with Venky's to help sell their club and their company around the world.....

With the Raos now controlling a Premier League club, the stars are aligning for football in India as we enter a new decade.

What's most encouraging is that the push to make the game successful in India is being driven by private companies, owned by successful, high achievers.

Which makes the sudden decision from Rovers to dismiss Allardyce all the more baffling.

Congratulations Philip on this post which does not contain either of the names "Jerome Anderson" or "Kentaro"!

Agree with you though.Wonder what the anti-Sam brigade would have been saying on here after a performance like that?