[Archived] Some Thoughts On Recent Events

[Bobby G]

They wont even know who the Dingles are. So its irrelevant to them.

[chaddyrovers]

On a related note, what would people now think if the ground was re-named "Venky's Ewood"?

No thanks! Should remain Ewood Park.

[OscarRaven]

This is beyond painful.

Venky's as a brand has become so toxic that it could only be shown once on the Ewood Park big screen for fear of causing civil disobedience.

I love it such drama, your out of touch pal. Take a break from all the message board wailing and screaming. Go down to Ewood park where you find the keyboard outraged once sat amongst thousands of thier cohorts suddenly don't have quite the voice. Then you will see there is a pragmatic reality. Yes there was underlying discontent but the prospect of civil disobedience, dont make me laugh. Yes the Venky's logo got booed on the big screen but it was still flashing on the pitch side advertising throughout the game.

Best point made to me was that had a 'proper' new manager been appointed the day after Sam had gone, it would have been a different day and I doubt this so-called outrage would have persisted. The media flak wouldn't have bothered us - we would be dismissing it as usual not using it to justify our respective agenda's.

The owners are football novices - clear, Kentaro are not. I share your concern here and we both know where the blame lies. Only positive is that I doubt the Rao family will allow Kentaro to continue to humilate them in this way. You have you finger on the pulse with respect to the problem but your out of touch with the general consensus in the stands, don't over cook it.

[den]

Could Venky's have started any worse?

Sad thing is, all they had to do was to come in the club, sit down with an open mind and have a chat with JW and TF. From there, they could have put together a plan for the improvement of the club in the near future. They should have endeavoured to take the club and it's employees with them. Isn't that what most owners would have done?

Mrs Desai, if you read this, then take a bit of advice from the people who know what they're talking about. Get rid of Kentaro and SEM - you don't need them and they will take you to a place that you don't want to be. Listen to JW, because the advice he will give you, will be the best advice you could get anywhere. If you take this route, there's a chance, if you don't, there's no chance.

It could be though, that you've already gone too far and this isn't recoverable in the short term

[chaddyrovers]

Could Venky's have started any worse?

Sad thing is, all they had to do was to come in the club, sit down with an open mind and have a chat with JW and TF. From there, they could have put together a plan for the improvement of the club in the near future. They should have endeavoured to take the club and it's employees with them. Isn't that what most owners would have done?

Mrs Desai, if you read this, then take a bit of advice from the people who know what they're talking about. Get rid of Kentaro and SEM - you don't need them and they will take you to a place that you don't want to be. Listen to JW, because the advice he will give you, will be the best advice you could get anywhere. If you take this route, there's a chance, if you don't, there's no chance.

What a great post Den! I couldn't agree more with your post!

[philipl]

Could Venky's have started any worse?

Sad thing is, all they had to do was to come in the club, sit down with an open mind and have a chat with JW and TF. From there, they could have put together a plan for the improvement of the club in the near future. They should have endeavoured to take the club and it's employees with them. Isn't that what most owners would have done?

Mrs Desai, if you read this, then take a bit of advice from the people who know what they're talking about. Get rid of Kentaro and SEM - you don't need them and they will take you to a place that you don't want to be. Listen to JW, because the advice he will give you, will be the best advice you could get anywhere. If you take this route, there's a chance, if you don't, there's no chance.

It could be though, that you've already gone too far and this isn't recoverable in the short term

If you were Jerome Anderson, what is the very last thing you would have wanted to have happened?

Ferguson has another rant about agents But this is astonishing-

There are many who share Ferguson’s concern about the increasing influence third parties have at football clubs, especially as Fifa is to abolish its licensing system at the end of the season.

National federations will become responsible for licensing agents with one senior football executive describing it as a “recipe for anarchy”.

"Football bloody hell" Fifa need a good seeing to.

[Steve Moss]

Mrs Desai, if you read this, then take a bit of advice from the people who know what they're talking about. Get rid of Kentaro and SEM - you don't need them and they will take you to a place that you don't want to be.

I don't think Venkys can, as a practical matter, sack Kentaro. If some of the income figures cited here are correct, Venkys is a very profitable company but not to such an extent that they can pour 20+ million a year for 3-5 years into the club. Under a traditional transfer model that's what will have to happen under, now that Sam is gone.

For the record, I think Sam could have gotten the Rovers into Europe if given 20 million. The club has just missed on a few occassions of breaking into the top 6. 2-3 of the right buys and we'd be there. The right buys require cash, experience and a thorough understanding of the team. Sam could have done it.

With Sam gone, Venkys is even more dependent on Kentaro. Venkys need Kentaro's player list, they need them relatively cheap or on loan, and they need them now. While Sam would have keep the Rovers up, and even contending with a modest investment, with his dismissal a situation has been created wherein we can't beat the worst team in the PL at home. This does not bode well for our survival, unless Kentaro can produce.

If anything, Kentaro's position is even more secure now.

"Football bloody hell" Fifa need a good seeing to.

I've said this before. FIFA is no friend to either England or the US.

[slough_rover]

I love it such drama, your out of touch pal. Take a break from all the message board wailing and screaming. Go down to Ewood park where you find the keyboard outraged once sat amongst thousands of thier cohorts suddenly don't have quite the voice. Then you will see there is a pragmatic reality. Yes there was underlying discontent but the prospect of civil disobedience, dont make me laugh. Yes the Venky's logo got booed on the big screen but it was still flashing on the pitch side advertising throughout the game.

Best point made to me was that had a 'proper' new manager been appointed the day after Sam had gone, it would have been a different day and I doubt this so-called outrage would have persisted. The media flak wouldn't have bothered us - we would be dismissing it as usual not using it to justify our respective agenda's.

The owners are football novices - clear, Kentaro are not. I share your concern here and we both know where the blame lies. Only positive is that I doubt the Rao family will allow Kentaro to continue to humilate them in this way. You have you finger on the pulse with respect to the problem but your out of touch with the general consensus in the stands, don't over cook it.

Great post. So many so called "experts" on this message board who claim to be in the know and are just scare mongering with so many baseless claims.

[yoda]

den, on 19 December 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

Could Venky's have started any worse?

Sad thing is, all they had to do was to come in the club, sit down with an open mind and have a chat with JW and TF. From there, they could have put together a plan for the improvement of the club in the near future. They should have endeavoured to take the club and it's employees with them. Isn't that what most owners would have done?

Mrs Desai, if you read this, then take a bit of advice from the people who know what they're talking about. Get rid of Kentaro and SEM - you don't need them and they will take you to a place that you don't want to be. Listen to JW, because the advice he will give you, will be the best advice you could get anywhere. If you take this route, there's a chance, if you don't, there's no chance.

It could be though, that you've already gone too far and this isn't recoverable in the short term

If you were Jerome Anderson, what is the very last thing you would have wanted to have happened?

Ferguson has another rant about agents But this is astonishing-

There are many who share Ferguson’s concern about the increasing influence third parties have at football clubs, especially as Fifa is to abolish its licensing system at the end of the season.

National federations will become responsible for licensing agents with one senior football executive describing it as a “recipe for anarchy”.

"Football bloody hell" Fifa need a good seeing to.

Great post. So many so called "experts" on this message board who claim to be in the know and are just scare mongering with so many baseless claims.

philipl,

The Maltese bullet manufacturer

[Kelbo]

I love it such drama, your out of touch pal. Take a break from all the message board wailing and screaming. Go down to Ewood park where you find the keyboard outraged once sat amongst thousands of thier cohorts suddenly don't have quite the voice. Then you will see there is a pragmatic reality. Yes there was underlying discontent but the prospect of civil disobedience, dont make me laugh. Yes the Venky's logo got booed on the big screen but it was still flashing on the pitch side advertising throughout the game.

Best point made to me was that had a 'proper' new manager been appointed the day after Sam had gone, it would have been a different day and I doubt this so-called outrage would have persisted. The media flak wouldn't have bothered us - we would be dismissing it as usual not using it to justify our respective agenda's.The owners are football novices - clear, Kentaro are not. I share your concern here and we both know where the blame lies. Only positive is that I doubt the Rao family will allow Kentaro to continue to humilate them in this way. You have you finger on the pulse with respect to the problem but your out of touch with the general consensus in the stands, don't over cook it.

Exactly right, If a proper new manager, that is the worrying thing and what is worrying the players,

as things go on as they are, which manager will want to come to Rovers and moreover, when???

Time is of the essence here, I cannot stress how much so, players are P****** off with the way things have happened and they are getting no direction from the club as to where they are going, except the manic ravings of Mrs D which changes on a daily basis and is allowing the media to turn us into a joke club!!

[chaddyrovers]

Looks like Rovers are getting another battering on the Sunday Supplement live on TV right now.

here is what they were saying on SS on sky

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_6602249,00.html

[Laurence]

here is what they were saying on SS on sky

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_6602249,00.html

Football will have gone mad if people really start to take notice of Oliver Holt, despite what he says in this piece.

[MeanGreenMachine]

The time i take Holt's opinion is the time i give up on football.

[John]

here is what they were saying on SS on sky

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_6602249,00.html

Watched it again just to cheer up my Sunday

It was not just Oliver Holt though, they all agree that this is not the way to run a football club.

[Kelbo]

Watched it again just to cheer up my Sunday

It was not just Oliver Holt though, they all agree that this is not the way to run a football club.

Barclay is one to listen too, especially about third party owners and this I feel could be our saviour, my honest belief is the Premier League will step in here and block Anderson, if thats the case, we have a chance!!

[Ianrally]

Well said that man.

What discussions took place? Obviously you need to know the finances of both parties. But didn't the Trust at any stage say: "How do you see the first 12 months of your stewardship of the club"

I can see Wenky's wanting to get shot of us after 12 motnhs, they're attracting such negative press. Problem is, I don't think there'll be any restrictions on who they can sell to.

After supporting Rovers for 50 years I now feel that I am no longer part of the club I love. Anything is possible now, and I pray that we will see some positive moves coming from the new owners to save us all from further humiliation, and I don't just mean yesterdays game.

What worries me is that if they, or their representatives, can suppress phone-ins from the fans on Radio Rovers and they also heard the chants from a section of the BBE as to where they should stick their chicken, then the "who they can sell the club to" may turn out to be a Supermarket. And I don't mean as a sponsor. More like a building plot.

[Mr. E]

And the thing is, regardless if we get "some good news" in the future or not, marketing wise Vankeys have already crashed and burned. All this is of course for them to market their brand in Europe, and obviously they want to present a good image.

And what happened? We got beat 7-1 by United, SAF called their decision to sack Allardyce "the stupidest thing he's heard in his life", all other managers condemned it, and the media are laughing at them.

So if anyone does hear about Venkys through football, and they follow the sport to some extent, there is little chance they would feel positive about their brand.

I guess the only saving grace is if Venkys do manage to perform a miracle and turn us into a top "4 or 5" club, but everyone who knows the slightest thing about the sport knows that's not going to happen with the way they've shown to be running things.

So what will Venkys do when they realize they've made a mistake and Rovers aren't the success they wanted? Well, we've certainly seen our fair share of examples.

[Laurence]

After supporting Rovers for 50 years I now feel that I am no longer part of the club I love. Anything is possible now....

Problem is that its at times like this that the supporters become more important in some ways. We don't make any of the important decisions and we already know we're the only ones who give a toss about the club (apart from a few ex-players), but we're the ones who remember the club's past, its good times and bad times, we make the 'cult heroes' we make the atmosphere and we carry the history and traditions of the club. We need to make sure we continue to do all of these things even though we feel like we're being pushed out.

[Jimmy612]

What worries me is that if they, or their representatives, can suppress phone-ins from the fans on Radio Rovers and they also heard the chants from a section of the BBE as to where they should stick their chicken, then the "who they can sell the club to" may turn out to be a Supermarket. And I don't mean as a sponsor. More like a building plot.

Don't worry Ian. It won't ever happen. I've been told by someone in the know last night in our local that this is simply not an available option for the Koumars under the conditions of sale.

[nicko]

Barclay is one to listen too, especially about third party owners and this I feel could be our saviour, my honest belief is the Premier League will step in here and block Anderson, if thats the case, we have a chance!!

Would this be a good point to remind you that this was all sorted at the Fit and Proper Persons test stage - about two months ago?

[yoda]

Would this be a good point to remind you that this was all sorted at the Fit and Proper Persons test stage - about two months ago?

In what way was it sorted nicko, did the fit and proper test apply to the Rao's only or anyone they may to choose as advisors as well?

[Mattyblue]

'Fit and Proper Persons Test'

What a complete charade.

[nicko]

In what way was it sorted nicko, did the fit and proper test apply to the Rao's only or anyone they may to choose as advisors as well?

Jerome Anderson went to see them at the time too. I remember mentioning that on here. One or two poo-pooed it. But the Premier League are well aware of the tie-up.

I struggle to take in the fuss here.

Clubs use agents all of the time.

And as for that windbag at Man U having an opinion.

He should keep his face shut after the scandalous way his phone call cost a good manager his job last season.

Interfering bam.

[Steve Moss]

Barclay is one to listen too, especially about third party owners and this I feel could be our saviour, my honest belief is the Premier League will step in here and block Anderson, if thats the case, we have a chance!!

Do we really want that? Per Nicko, the latest disaster is not of Kentaro's making. Also Venkys business model apparently depends on the close connections to Kentaro, i.e. access to cheap up and coming talented players. Venkys does not appear to have the financial clout to do follow in the path of ManC or Chelsea. So if their Plan A fails, and considering low price Venkys paid for the club (Kentaro/SEM values the players alone at 70 million), let's hope Plan B is not a sell off to rececover their investment and a quick profit.

Which is why I am hoping that Plan A is a resounding success.

Don't worry Ian. It won't ever happen. I've been told by someone in the know last night in our local that this is simply not an available option for the Koumars under the conditions of sale.

This is reassuring. I was always curious why the Trust agreed to the debt servicing and the 1 million/year for three years to pay off the purchase price balance. It occurred to me then, that maybe the Trust was keeping a financial hook into the club for security purposes. I hope so.

[yoda]

Jerome Anderson want to see them at the time too. I remember mentioning that on here. One or two poo-pooed it. But the Premier League are well aware of the tie-up.

I struggle to take in the fuss here.

Clubs use agents all of the time.

And as for that windbag at Man U having an opinion.

He should keep his face shut after the scandalous way his phone call cost a good manager his job last season.

Interfering bam.

:lol:

just asking, to clear my thoughts on it.

manu are not exactly a perfect model on how to run a football club anyway, along with Liverpool,

I think the big problem is, in general people don't like change and the Venky's PR is below what it should be

more people should read "who moved my cheese" one of the best books i have ever read!