[Archived] Steve Kean

[RevidgeBlue]

Anyone else finding it downright odd that just about the most respected Chairman in English football has not yet met Mrs Desai whilst Steve Kean is going to Pune on monthly trips?

Nothing to stop JW hopping on a plane as well if he wants though is there?

[Silencio]

Nothing to stop JW hopping on a plane as well if he wants though is there?

Perhaps there is if they don't want him to...

[thenodrog]

She hasnt been here.....Steve Kean decided to do it of his own accord, whats wrong with that?

Nothing at all Hughesy..... As long as he's cleared it with the Chairman as he should. If he hasn't then it's very underhand and smells strongly of treachery.... but then that stench has been around for a month or so now hasn't it?

Nothing to stop JW hopping on a plane as well if he wants though is there?

You know better than that Simon. Put your spat with JW to one side and admit that the situation is just not right.

[joey_big_nose]

Anyone else finding it downright odd that just about the most respected Chairman in English football has not yet met Mrs Desai whilst Steve Kean is going to Pune on monthly trips?

Very strange to me as a major part of his job is to sit between the manager and the owners and mediate. I wonder if JW is handling the day to day stuff to complete transfers or not at the moment?

[Guest linganzi]

I agree. I wish Williams would get on the plane.

As for the tired chicken puns, perhaps the media could do some regarding the violation of human rights in the middle east for man city

[47er]

What does John Williams do anymore? Seems like sales and buys are decided by Kean and the owners. Wiliams doesn't have to balance the books anymore so why is he there? I'd suggest its PR to placate the fans.

Doubt if he'll be around for long.

Noticed that 2 new directors have been appointed,one of them, Mr Gupta, is general manager. So again what is here for Williams to do from Venkys point of view except sit there and quieten fans who don't want changes?

[sparkspakespoke]

Anyone else finding it downright odd that just about the most respected Chairman in English football has not yet met Mrs Desai whilst Steve Kean is going to Pune on monthly trips?

Williams met both of the brothers during the take over process, Keen's role has changed since they took charge so its clear as to why he would travel out there to clarify things.

[Gav]

Anyone else finding it downright odd that just about the most respected Chairman in English football has not yet met Mrs Desai whilst Steve Kean is going to Pune on monthly trips?

I can't understand why the manager keeps hoping over to India, have they not heard of Cisco TelePresence? Or similar products?

Nothing like speaking face to face I agree, but he’s the manager of the football club, not some salesman.

[cruz]

Maybe Kean is happy to manage the same way as a lot of other managers who leave the weekly training to their staff.

[Valois]

I can't understand why the manager keeps hoping over to India, have they not heard of Cisco TelePresence? Or similar products?

Nothing like speaking face to face I agree, but he’s the manager of the football club, not some salesman.

It's the way they like to do business, face to face. I agree a video conference, would be a whole lot easier, but it's just they way they like to do things. Speaking with an Indian collegue, he said it's common practice within India, they prefer the personal touch. Apparantly meetings can sometimes consist of 2 hours about talking families etc, before even discussing business on the agenda.

I certainly wouldn't see it as a negative that the owners want to have a meeting with the man they have put trust in to run the team. It's their investment. No doubt they have the managers of their global operations fly out to Pune once a month as well.

It can nly be a good thing if he comes back with more funds to go after Adam.

Bit of a pain for Kean, but if he is flying with Emirates first class, he will be more than looked after. Probably my favourite airline Emirates.

Maybe Kean is happy to manage the same way as a lot of other managers who leave the weekly training to their staff.

He's due to back in England tomorrow, so will be back in time to over see training for the remainder of the week.

[Kelbo]

But since when did football people get much say in managerial appointments? It was no more a surprise decision than Al Fayed's to give Coleman and Kean the Fulham reigns.

Many of your posts refer to football people in a positive light and non-football people in a negative one. Unfortunately for football people though, they have proved to be so bad at running football that it needs constant and never-ending injections of cash from non-football people, which gives said people a say in appointing the person in the club who spends all the money and keeps demanding more - the manager.

I am not a football person, I am a business person, and I can think of several reasons from my perspective why McDonald might not have been an automatic slam-dunk for the job.

- Kean had a broader experience, having worked abroad

- Kean has languages, which may fit with where we might be shopping for young 'uns

- McDonald had failed at the managerial level already.- McDonald had spent so much time working for the giant ego that is Sam, one might question if he had enough of a forceful personality to be a leader in his own right.

Of course, it may have been none of these, but they are all questions that would have come into my mind if it had been my money and my decision.

If football people don't like non-football people making such decisions, then maybe they should learn how to run businesses profitably and do away with the need to have to put up with non-football people.

So if Steve Kean manages 8th place in his first managerial appointment, he too will have failed at managerial level?

Neil McDonald did OK at Carlisle, 8th place with little money to spend, so if as a non football person you call that failure, thats why football people are commenting, indeed, a business decision would be fine but from a business perspective, would you employ a person only off recommendation, having never met them or understand the business you are managing? If that be the case, then fine, I will listen to the football people who understand the game, people such as John Williams, Gordon Taylor, SAF, Wenger, Dalglish and of course Dave Whelan (a businessman as well as a football person) who was scathing of our new owners in yesterdays press!

[XLM]

So if Steve Kean manages 8th place in his first managerial appointment, he too will have failed at managerial level?

Neil McDonald did OK at Carlisle, 8th place with little money to spend, so if as a non football person you call that failure, thats why football people are commenting, indeed, a business decision would be fine but from a business perspective, would you employ a person only off recommendation, having never met them or understand the business you are managing? If that be the case, then fine, I will listen to the football people who understand the game, people such as John Williams, Gordon Taylor, SAF, Wenger, Dalglish and of course Dave Whelan (a businessman as well as a football person) who was scathing of our new owners in yesterdays press!

Managers always come out against other managers getting sacked.

"Oh no, how will he survive on his big fat settlement after doing a crap job?" they all say.*

*This wasn't meant as an insult to the Allardyce, just thought I'd say because I can't deal with the hassle.

[Kelbo]

Managers always come out against other managers getting sacked."Oh no, how will he survive on his big fat settlement after doing a crap job?" they all say.*

*This wasn't meant as an insult to the Allardyce, just thought I'd say because I can't deal with the hassle.

Nothing to do with Allardyce getting sacked, we are speaking as to why Steve Kean took over as manager without the new owners looking at Neil McDonald, a pro licence holder, ex Manager of Carlisle, see my post above,) having never met him, nor understanding football, surely, even if someone recommended a person as a manager of my company, I am 100% sure I would want to meet them first!!

[XLM]

Nothing to do with Allardyce getting sacked, we are speaking as to why Steve Kean took over as manager without the new owners looking at Neil McDonald, a pro licence holder, ex Manager of Carlisle, see my post above,) having never met him, nor understanding football, surely, even if someone recommended a person as a manager of my company, I am 100% sure I would want to meet them first!!

Ah, sorry.

But what have those people said about Kean getting the job over McDonald?

[BuckyRover]

That basically these foreigners should only pour money into the EPL not make any of their own decisions, leave that to the Englishmen.. God forbid they should choose to run their business how they see fit.

Something like that

[Amo]

That basically these foreigners should only pour money into the EPL not make any of their own decisions, leave that to the Englishmen.. God forbid they should choose to run their business how they see fit.

Something like that

I think people are forgetting that football is a multi-billion pound global industry. Cut-throat decisions are going to be made by new owners desperate to make their mark. You see, things were painfully simple under the Trust. The owners didn't give a damn about taking the club forward. It was easy for JW to come out and toe the party line every year with his comments of 'business as usual', when there was very little business going on, apart from the star players were forced to sell to balance the books and the squad crumbled with underinvestment.

I don't think Venky's have been entirely prudent, so far, but it's refreshing to have proactive owners who want the best possible outcome for their business venture. Let's wait until we see the bigger picture before turning every decision into a conspiracy theory.

[Seggie]

Nothing to do with Allardyce getting sacked, we are speaking as to why Steve Kean took over as manager without the new owners looking at Neil McDonald, a pro licence holder, ex Manager of Carlisle, see my post above,) having never met him, nor understanding football, surely, even if someone recommended a person as a manager of my company, I am 100% sure I would want to meet them first!!

My thinking with Neil McDonald was that possibly as he was Sam's right hand man he would probably continue playing Sam's way. Whether the merits, right or wrong, of sacking Sam one of the key requirements of the owners dictated they wanted a change in style of play as Kean was relatively new in the set up he was perhaps less likly to share Sam's footballing phillosiphy. I do agree something isn't right though but theres nothing we can do really as the decisions been made, Venkys will either be proved right and we will be happy with their decision or proved wrong were they will no doubt feel the wrath of the fans and probably in the pocket as we go to the Championship. Things have improved over the last couple of weeks with regards to PR, Transfers and even on the pitch so Im a bit more cautiously optimistic rather than feeling the heart had been ripped out of the club and not wanting to go to games like I was a few weeks ago.

[rog of the rovers]

Kean is certainly putting the effort in!

As Gary Player famously said

"The harder I work, the luckier I seem to get"

[cruz]

it would take more than new owners and a perceived puppet manager to stop me going to games. Something like months of insipid, unattractive and dull as dishwater football would do the trick, and it nearly did.

[Sverre]

http://www.teamtalk.com/blackburn-rovers/6668393/Nelsen-buoyed-by-Kean-impact?

Nelsen told the club's website: "We're trying to win games by using our abilities and we are trying to use our strengths when we have the ball.

"When you do that, in a way, you don't mind losing games because it means you go down fighting.

"It's very enjoyable. You can express yourself and show off your talents when you have the ball.

"We have got some players that can do that."

Kean last week made his first signing of the January transfer window by bringing striker Roque Santa Cruz back from Manchester City on loan until the end of the season.

The Paraguay international made a huge impact in his first spell at Rovers, scoring 29 goals in two seasons before moving to City in a £17.5million deal 18 months ago.

Nelsen said: "It's good to have a nice, positive presence back at the club.

"It might take him a couple of games to get back to match fitness but when he does it's very exciting for the club.

"He's very motivated and we all know what a fantastic player he is."

[S15]

More signs of that internal unrest we keep hearing about.

[BuckyRover]

Philipl

You might want to point Ryan Nelsen in the direction of your sources. We dont want our club captain to be the last one to know about the impending crisis.

[47er]

it would take more than new owners and a perceived puppet manager to stop me going to games. Something like months of insipid, unattractive and dull as dishwater football would do the trick, and it nearly did.

Give it a rest.

[BuckyRover]

So it's fine to bleat and bleat and bleat, but it's not fine to say stop bleating.

Makes sense

[Kelbo]

Ah, sorry.

But what have those people said about Kean getting the job over McDonald?

Nothing as I am aware, my point is how do you appoint a manager of a football club without ever meeting them, not just odd and strange, its crazy.

My thinking with Neil McDonald was that possibly as he was Sam's right hand man he would probably continue playing Sam's way. Whether the merits, right or wrong, of sacking Sam one of the key requirements of the owners dictated they wanted a change in style of play as Kean was relatively new in the set up he was perhaps less likly to share Sam's footballing phillosiphy. I do agree something isn't right though but theres nothing we can do really as the decisions been made, Venkys will either be proved right and we will be happy with their decision or proved wrong were they will no doubt feel the wrath of the fans and probably in the pocket as we go to the Championship. Things have improved over the last couple of weeks with regards to PR, Transfers and even on the pitch so Im a bit more cautiously optimistic rather than feeling the heart had been ripped out of the club and not wanting to go to games like I was a few weeks ago.

Yes, you do make a few good points there Seggie, as you say though, a bit odd.