[Archived] Steve Kean

[47er]

So it's fine to bleat and bleat and bleat, but it's not fine to say stop bleating.

Makes sense

Give it a rest---please.

[BuckyRover]

Consider yourself ignored

[Exiled in Toronto]

So if Steve Kean manages 8th place in his first managerial appointment, he too will have failed at managerial level?

Neil McDonald did OK at Carlisle, 8th place with little money to spend, so if as a non football person you call that failure, thats why football people are commenting, indeed, a business decision would be fine but from a business perspective, would you employ a person only off recommendation, having never met them or understand the business you are managing? If that be the case, then fine, I will listen to the football people who understand the game, people such as John Williams, Gordon Taylor, SAF, Wenger, Dalglish and of course Dave Whelan (a businessman as well as a football person) who was scathing of our new owners in yesterdays press!

He had one manager job in the third division and got fired. Slightly more appealing for a premiership job than not having managed at all, but hardly compelling. So your argument is essentially "Buggins' Turn", next in line. Doesn't always work, far from it. Sam's #2's don't have a good track record when elevated to the top. Sometimes delving into the organisation and disrupting the line up works - Eisenhower was a colonel when WWII started, he got promoted over hundreds of more experienced officers.

Personally I'm finding Kean a welcome breath of fresh air. Look at WHU: Grant, MoN or Fat Sam, same old merry-go-round, same old gravy train.

As to those luminaries you list, none of whom have said anything about Kean vs McD in public as was mentioned earlier, and I believe they have all made plenty of mistakes themselves in the past. So even if VEnky's made a mistake on this, so what? Williams did with Ince, Taylor with his art collection, Fergy with Veron, Stam etc, Wenger with a trophyless team, Dalglish at Newcastle.

And yes, if I knew absolutely sod all about the business I had just bought, I would indeed rely very heavily on the advice of my advisors who knew far more about it than I did when interviewing for, say, a chicken sexer. And I would hold them accountable for the quality of their advice while I got up to speed on understanding it for myself.

[JAL]

Very worried with Steve Keans comments regarding young Jason Lowes debut at Chelsea.

If Kean thinks Lowes standard is the standard for the rest of the season especially against an out of shape Frank Lampard then Rovers will be closer to the trap door than further away from it come the end of the season.

[Mercer]

Very worried with Steve Keans comments regarding young Jason Lowes debut at Chelsea.

If Kean thinks Lowes standard is the standard for the rest of the season especially against an out of shape Frank Lampard then Rovers will be closer to the trap door than further away from it come the end of the season.

Very good point, however, suspect that it was also about building Lowe's confidence. Clough made most of his players think they could walk on water!

[Kelbo]

He had one manager job in the third division and got fired. Slightly more appealing for a premiership job than not having managed at all, but hardly compelling. So your argument is essentially "Buggins' Turn", next in line. Doesn't always work, far from it. Sam's #2's don't have a good track record when elevated to the top. Sometimes delving into the organisation and disrupting the line up works - Eisenhower was a colonel when WWII started, he got promoted over hundreds of more experienced officers.

Personally I'm finding Kean a welcome breath of fresh air. Look at WHU: Grant, MoN or Fat Sam, same old merry-go-round, same old gravy train.

As to those luminaries you list, none of whom have said anything about Kean vs McD in public as was mentioned earlier, and I believe they have all made plenty of mistakes themselves in the past. So even if VEnky's made a mistake on this, so what? Williams did with Ince, Taylor with his art collection, Fergy with Veron, Stam etc, Wenger with a trophyless team, Dalglish at Newcastle.

And yes, if I knew absolutely sod all about the business I had just bought, I would indeed rely very heavily on the advice of my advisors who knew far more about it than I did when interviewing for, say, a chicken sexer. And I would hold them accountable for the quality of their advice while I got up to speed on understanding it for myself.

There is one point you omitted, The US Knew Eisenhower, it is as I have said in ANY business, football included, for someone to become the main man in a business without meeting them, nor consulting the chairman or MD of the club is strange, odd and even crazy, instead they take advice of Steve Keans agent.

Now if that doesnt seem odd to you I am sorry but its odd to the majority of people in the UK, including as I said earlier, Dave Whelan, multi millionaire businessman, Chairman of Wigan and ex Rovers player. As for a chicken sexer, yes, that says it all, a manager to them is like a bloody chicken sexer, I rest my case

[JAL]

Very good point, however, suspect that it was also about building Lowe's confidence. Clough made most of his players think they could walk on water!

Yes, as a manger you'd be supporting any young kid playing for you. But for me its also about Kean's thinking that the young kid is good enough in the first place, now this I find very concerning after watching him over several seasons in the youth team.

[bubblerrovers]

Very worried with Steve Keans comments regarding young Jason Lowes debut at Chelsea.

If Kean thinks Lowes standard is the standard for the rest of the season especially against an out of shape Frank Lampard then Rovers will be closer to the trap door than further away from it come the end of the season.

Isn't it just player management, everybody will know he has a long way to go to have a premiership career. He's trying to build him up

[Exiled in Toronto]

There is one point you omitted, The US Knew Eisenhower, it is as I have said in ANY business, football included, for someone to become the main man in a business without meeting them, nor consulting the chairman or MD of the club is strange, odd and even crazy, instead they take advice of Steve Keans agent.

Now if that doesnt seem odd to you I am sorry but its odd to the majority of people in the UK, including as I said earlier, Dave Whelan, multi millionaire businessman, Chairman of Wigan and ex Rovers player. As for a chicken sexer, yes, that says it all, a manager to them is like a bloody chicken sexer, I rest my case

I'm not sure I made my point very clearly. If they don't know anything at all about football, why on earth would they over-rule their advisors, (who presumably count as football people by your definition?) based on meeting face to face? They wouldn't know what to ask.

And they do have, according to the Mail on Sunday, 250,000 employees, many of who will be more important to their total business than one footy manager versus another.

Anyway, Kean is the manager and I wish him well. Things could have gone a lot worse since he was appointed.

[bep]

Very worried with Steve Keans comments regarding young Jason Lowes debut at Chelsea.

If Kean thinks Lowes standard is the standard for the rest of the season especially against an out of shape Frank Lampard then Rovers will be closer to the trap door than further away from it come the end of the season.

You must be a better judge than Tony Gale because he stated the two positives from saturdays game where Junior Hoilet and Jason Lowe .Think i will take his oppinion and Keans before you.

[jim mk2]

Things could have gone a lot worse since he was appointed.

Seven points out of 18. They could have gone alot better too.

[Amo]

Yes, as a manger you'd be supporting any young kid playing for you. But for me its also about Kean's thinking that the young kid is good enough in the first place, now this I find very concerning after watching him over several seasons in the youth team.

Fancy that, the manager trying to encourage one of his young charges after a PL debut against the Champions!

[Exiled in Toronto]

Seven points out of 18. They could have gone alot better too.

Indeed. Far too early to definitively judge him.

[XLM]

Nothing as I am aware, my point is how do you appoint a manager of a football club without ever meeting them, not just odd and strange, its crazy.

That wasn't what you said or alluded to but ok.

I replied thinking you were talking about Allardyce because that was all those you mentioned had referred to. You can't just bulk up your opinion with false fact.

[Kelbo]

I'm not sure I made my point very clearly. If they don't know anything at all about football, why on earth would they over-rule their advisors, (who presumably count as football people by your definition?) based on meeting face to face? They wouldn't know what to ask.

And they do have, according to the Mail on Sunday, 250,000 employees, many of who will be more important to their total business than one footy manager versus another.

Anyway, Kean is the manager and I wish him well. Things could have gone a lot worse since he was appointed.

Well, I do hope you are not a businessman who is quite happy to take the first man recommended, despite him never having worked in that position before, without even meeting him, without consulting your Chairman or MD and then give him a nice amount to spend to try to take the company forward

End of discussion for me, its not the way to go, he is doing OK, better than I thought he would, but we will have to see, time will tell, he could do OK, if he does, good on you Steve Kean, it will be total luck on Venkys part, nothing to do with sound business sense or knowledge.

[jim mk2]

OK, if he does, good on you Steve Kean, it will be total luck on Venkys part, nothing to do with sound business sense or knowledge.

Kean is a gamble and the owners have no way of knowing how it is going to work out. When they sacked Sam they traded the certainty of Premier League status and the chance of further advancement, possibly into Europe, for a leap into the unknown. Kean is even more of a gamble than Ince because at least Ince had some managerial record. Some fans might find the Kean experiment exciting but at my ripe old age I would prefer the security of Sam any day.

[Valois]

Well, I do hope you are not a businessman who is quite happy to take the first man recommended, despite him never having worked in that position before, without even meeting him, without consulting your Chairman or MD and then give him a nice amount to spend to try to take the company forward

End of discussion for me, its not the way to go, he is doing OK, better than I thought he would, but we will have to see, time will tell, he could do OK, if he does, good on you Steve Kean, it will be total luck on Venkys part, nothing to do with sound business sense or knowledge.

Didn't he fly out to Pune just before Christmas to meet the owners? Isn't he over there with them now?

[Kelbo]

Didn't he fly out to Pune just before Christmas to meet the owners? Isn't he over there with them now?

But that was after he had been appointed, that is the point.

[bep]

But that was after he had been appointed, that is the point.

He was put in temporary charge first and has since been to India to meet the owners, why do you have to look for negatives all the time.

[Kelbo]

He was put in temporary charge first and has since been to India to meet the owners, why do you have to look for negatives all the time.

Why am I looking for negatives by simply stating that Venkys appointed someone they didnt know or had met?

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[BuckyRover]

Why am I looking for negatives by simply stating that Venkys appointed someone they didnt know or had met?

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They can run their business how they see fit.

If it works it was a good decision. Good business people are lucky because they make good decisions.

[Harrier7]

When they sacked Sam they traded the certainty of Premier League status

What a load of rubbish. Sam guaranteed nothing but purgatory and embarassment watching his brand of football.

[Kelbo]

They can run their business how they see fit.

If it works it was a good decision. Good business people are lucky because they make good decisions.

Of course they can, no one is denying that fact, its still crazy and very odd.

Yes, good business people do make good decisions, but they make those good decisions with a certain amount of common sense, If it doesnt work its a bad one, I sincerely hope its a good one as I am a Rovers fan.

[Exiled in Toronto]

If you dont think that is crazy, the arranged marriages are fine as well.

Pardon?

[gumboots]

Kean is a gamble and the owners have no way of knowing how it is going to work out. When they sacked Sam they traded the certainty of Premier League status and the chance of further advancement, possibly into Europe, for a leap into the unknown. Kean is even more of a gamble than Ince because at least Ince had some managerial record. Some fans might find the Kean experiment exciting but at my ripe old age I would prefer the security of Sam any day.

And yet, large numbers of posters were worrying about relegation under Allardyce too and wouldn't have been surprised to find us languishing in the lower reaches of the table all season and only escaping by the skin of our teeth. There would have been no certainty of staying up with Allardyce - you might feel the chances were better, but certainties, never.