[Archived] Steve Kean

[BuckyRover]

Strange that jim. I seem to remember that before Sam was sacked you were saying that our premiership status was not certain even with Sam in charge. You said anyone could go down.

Why the change of heart?

[XLM]

If you dont think that is crazy, the arranged marriages are fine as well.

And the gloves come off.

[bep]

Why am I looking for negatives by simply stating that Venkys appointed someone they didnt know or had met?

If you dont think that is crazy, the arranged marriages are fine as well.

As i stated he was put in temporary charge,the two brothers have been to visit the club on several occasions and have stated that they where impressed by the way he seemed to spend a lot of time around the club and training ground and would think that was one of the reasons he was put in temporary charge but as you i am only guessing, but unlike you am prepared to give them a chance before passing comments and i don't see why you have to bring a sarcastic commet about arranged marriges into a football conversation.

[Kelbo]

Pardon?

Simply that the same applies to the many people who dont know their partners are forced into arranged marriages, some may work, but others dont, its down to pure luck, its not something properly thought out and please dont play the racist card as thats nothing to do with it.

As i stated he was put in temporary charge,the two brothers have been to visit the club on several occasions and have stated that they where impressed by the way he seemed to spend a lot of time around the club and training ground and would think that was one of the reasons he was put in temporary charge but as you i am only guessing, but unlike you am prepared to give them a chance before passing comments and i don't see why you have to bring a sarcastic commet about arranged marriges into a football conversation.

You are misinformed here, Steve Kean was appointed before he met anyone from Venkys

[bep]

Simply that the same applies to the many people who dont know their partners are forced into arranged marriages, some may work, but others dont, its down to pure luck, its not something properly thought out and please dont play the racist card as thats nothing to do with it.

You are misinformed here, Steve Kean was appointed before he met anyone from Venkys

Sorry i think you may find you are.

[BuckyRover]

Some people have very happy arranged marriages and a lot of traditional (non-arranged) marriages end in divorce.

I really do not understand that point.

[bep]

Some people have very happy arranged marriages and a lot of traditional (non-arranged) marriages end in divorce.

I really do not understand that point.

I think it was just someone losing an argument so he threw in a comment relating to the fact we have asian owners.

[BuckyRover]

I think it was just someone losing an argument so he threw in a comment relating to the fact we have asian owners.

He isn't the first and won't be the last.

A lot of people KNOW this is going to fail because of their prejudices.

Sad really

[Miker]

I don't understand why every negative reference to Indian culture has to be taken under racist or offensive connotations.

The circumstances under which Kean was appointed and has been kept in the job is nothing short of bizarre and keeps getting stranger every week. I can appreciate his positive attitude and thinking, but the guy has done nothing, achieved nothing, yet he's being hailed as the best thing since sliced bread.

Some people are already saying he has a promising career ahead, based on a couple of good press conferences and relatively average performances (at best). It's just something I haven't seen yet and if I'm wrong then I'll happily admit it, but the enthusiasm surrounding Kean from people on here and our owners is just a little bit baffling to me.

He's NOT "the new Coyle", and he's far from it at the moment.

[92er]

Simply that the same applies to the many people who dont know their partners are forced into arranged marriages, some may work, but others dont, its down to pure luck, its not something properly thought out and please dont play the racist card as thats nothing to do with it.

Do you the difference between forced marriages and arranged marriages?

[XLM]

I don't understand why every negative reference to Indian culture has to be taken under racist or offensive connotations.

It's the fact that the issue of race comes up at all. It isn't an issue. Why would it be an issue? So why mention it?

[Miker]

It's the fact that the issue of race comes up at all. It isn't an issue. Why would it be an issue? So why mention it?

What do arranged marriages have to do with race? It's just a Hindu tradition and there's philosophical reasons behind it. The ideology behind arranged marriages isn't "crazy", but it's questionable, much like some of the decisions surrounding Kean and I think it's a valid analogy.

Also, as an aside... from experience, there's a thin line between arranged and forced marriages. Coming from a family with a long history of arranged marriages and marrying into a Hindu family myself (a Desai family as well, coincidentally), I have strong thoughts on the subject, but won't go into them on here, as we've strayed off topic enough.

I have been critical of our owners and their decisions and I have good reason to be, not from a racist perspective or a pro-Sam perspective, but from an analysis of my observations so far. I'll avoid going into it any further though, we have less than 2 weeks til the 1st of Feb rolls around, so we'll see where we sit then.

[XLM]

What do arranged marriages have to do with race? It's just a Hindu tradition and there's philosophical reasons behind it. The ideology behind arranged marriages isn't "crazy", but it's questionable, much like some of the decisions surrounding Kean and I think it's a valid analogy.

Of course it's to do with race. It wouldn't have been mentioned if they weren't Indian. I'm not a member of the PC police, I'm looking at it from a psycological view point.

[S15]

What do arranged marriages have to do with race? It's just a Hindu tradition and there's philosophical reasons behind it.

Because Hindus are a race of people?

Or are you asking what do arranged marriages have to do with sprinting?

[92er]

What do arranged marriages have to do with race? It's just a Hindu tradition and there's philosophical reasons behind it. The ideology behind arranged marriages isn't "crazy", but it's questionable, much like some of the decisions surrounding Kean and I think it's a valid analogy.

I don't think arranged marriages are limited to Hindus.

[trueblue]

Can we leave the race/religeous debate now please! get this thread back on topic

[mhead]

Hinduism is a religion and a very humble and down to earth one. A vist to the Hindu Temple in Preston will introduce you to some of the kindest and most respectful people you may ever meet. The Raos will respect our traditions and our loyalty.Their business sense will be tempered by their religious beliefs.

[moerpho]

Nelsen praising Kean: http://www.teamtalk.com/blackburn-rovers/6668393/Nelsen-buoyed-by-Kean-impact

Some interesting quotes in there.

[Glenn]

Indeed, whether it was just a bad analogy or not is irrelevant. To the best of my knowledge Steve Kean is neither a Hindu, nor involved in an arranged marriage, so lets not wander down the route of discussing the specifics of either in this thread (we have ICBINF for such things).

[MarkBRFC71]

Some people are already saying he has a promising career ahead, based on a couple of good press conferences and relatively average performances (at best).

The Liverpool performance looked a whole lot better than 'relatively average' from the Blackburn End - probably the best performance by a Rovers team since we beat Man U 4-3 under Hughes.

My enthusiasm is based on the sea-change in the style of football (from something that nearly had me thinking of reasons to not go to home games, to something where I am looking forward to watching us play), and that we've now got money to spend and are signing some good players, rather than just dollopers on free transfers.

Certainly there's much more to be enthusiastic about now, under Kean and Venky's, than there was at the start of the season under Sam and the Trust.

[gumboots]

Certainly there's much more to be enthusiastic about now, under Kean and Venky's, than there was at the start of the season under Sam and the Trust.

Bit early to say that, but I certainly feel more enthusiastic myself. We may still perform badly and lose like against Stoke, but you sort of feel that anything might happen now, whereas before you basically knew what was coming. There's certainly more of an air of anticipation. Progress is not always smooth and maybe we will flirt with relegation again, but, as Nelsen said, losing isn't fun but it doesn't feel as bad if you're enjoying the game rather than watching us try to defend for 90+mins and then still getting caught by a sloppily conceded goal. Going to Ewood had definitely become something you had to do. I feels a little better now but there's still a long way to go.

[n033y]

The Liverpool performance looked a whole lot better than 'relatively average' from the Blackburn End - probably the best performance by a Rovers team since we beat Man U 4-3 under Hughes.

My enthusiasm is based on the sea-change in the style of football (from something that nearly had me thinking of reasons to not go to home games, to something where I am looking forward to watching us play), and that we've now got money to spend and are signing some good players, rather than just dollopers on free transfers.

Certainly there's much more to be enthusiastic about now, under Kean and Venky's, than there was at the start of the season under Sam and the Trust.

Couldnt agree more. As someone with 3 young kids, I was struggling to raise any enthusiasm for the Rovers under Sam. For me as a supporter and season ticket holder since the mid seventies I always felt Sam was a bad fit for Rovers as we have always tried to play decent football. Under Sam our football was dire and signings uninspiring. Now we are looking to sign better players and are playing a more expansive game , I cant wait to take my kids down to Ewood on Sunday.

[cruz]

I can heartily agree with some of the above comments.

After beign lucky enough to be born at the right time to enjoy the best prolonged period in Rovers history from 1983 onwards my mind was 80% made up to not renew next season after all those years. I felt the same way last season but the late rally, and the father in law wanting to renew, turned my head.

Hopefully we can maintain the results but also enjoy more 'out of your seat' moments like the Livepool game. Under Sam I had also written off enjoying another FA Cup semi-final like the one we had against Chelsea (yes we lost but Roberts getting that goal was a match for Speedie vs Derby/Leicester, Shearer on VE Day and Cole in Cardiff)

Watching Rovers under Sam had become a chore, not something I am proud of but a fact I am sure many can empathise with.

[braddock]

Nelsen on Rovers under Kean, from the link posted above. Says it all for me.

"We're trying to win games by using our abilities and we are trying to use our strengths when we have the ball.

"When you do that, in a way, you don't mind losing games because it means you go down fighting.

"It's very enjoyable. You can express yourself and show off your talents when you have the ball.

"We have got some players that can do that."

[Mercer]

Nelsen on Rovers under Kean, from the link posted above. Says it all for me.

Nelsen is a decent guy and quite intelligent so what better way to sing the virtues of Keane, the new owners' golden boy, whilst also trying to secure an improved contract!