[Archived] Steve Kean

[gumboots]

I care Gumboots because our club has been branded as scum recently because of our new owners. I will always support us however you always need a level of respect - have some pride FFS.

And we were loved and respected by the media and other clubs under Allardyce,Ince, Hughes, Souness etc were we. It isn't because of our new owners we are not respected. It's because 15 years or so ago we dared to dream dreams and upset the apple cart of big city clubs. Since then we've never been praised for what we've done right and have been unduly criticised for what we've done wrong. Our new owners are easy prey for those who want to put us down and at times they have not helped themselves;we all know that. But when we, as fans, are on the manager's back regardless of what he does, it makes us an even easier target. I'm very proud of my club, proud of what we have achieved, proud of what I hope we can still achieve in the future, and the use of bad language towards me, even in abbreviated form, is not necessary. I want to see Rovers successful. I want to see Rovers somehow retain the values which I think have stood us in good stead in the past and still be a club that is accessible to its fans and that takes them into account in all the ways it can. I accept that that looks less likely with owners who are wanting to be more hands on that the Trust and yet are based so far away. I don't like the involvement of Kentaro/SEM any more than anyone else, but do I care if premier league managers don't like our manager - not one bit.

[Gav]

Yeah, and Sam duly took them from being close to the relegation zone the season before he took over to having a fairly safe spot in 11th before he got sacked. And whilst he had a few bad signings he also signed the likes of Barton (arguably a success despite his disciplinary record), Habib Beye and Jose Enrique.

He's gone, get over it

Did you go yesterday?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Steve Kean must be waking up every day thanking one person he has got this job - we will see how it all pans out, he could be the next Mourinho or he could be a dud.

I would have liked a new manager who could come somewhere between Mourinho and a dud.

[sweet]

I would have liked a new manager who could come somewhere between Mourinho and a dud.

Gary Megson??

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

The Utd games skews the goals against column as you well know.You are the one who brings up the ghost of Sam every post you write. Judge Kean on his own merits. How many points from how many games (and falling)?

Do you think we have enough cover at left-back by the way? Why wasn't this addressed?

I think it was you that in-directly brought up the ghost of Sam with the reference to how good defensively we used to be. However - if you are going back to the days of Howard Kendall with Faz and Keeley in central defence - I'll give you that one - we did used to be better organised then

Though the Utd game does skew the goals against - it wasn't unusual when we played the "big" teams.

Left back - I think you can look at it two ways - we either don't have quality cover for left winger when Olsson moves into defence - or we don't have enough cover at left back. Personally I would have bought Warnock - but we don't know what Villa were asking.

So we can remain friends :-

1. I didn't agree with the Sam sacking - though I wasn't overly impressed with the way we played (though it was never as bad as the press liked to make out).

2. I am on the fence as far as Kean is concerned - but I have been impressed with his general approach to the game and handling of players and media so far. IMO he has made tactical mistakes in some matches - but many of us don't know what is going on in the background with player fitness etc. (good example was Kalanic on Saturday - I was initial aghast that he wasn't at least on the bench, only to find out he had been omitted for personal reasons).

Onwards and upwards - Newcastle next - which has now become a bigger match than it should have been. 3 points and we can start to relax a little more - a defeat and .... well lets not go there yet.

I will agree on one thing - at this stage of the season it is pointless playing good entertaining football if you don't get results. He needs to get the balance.

[broadsword]

It's not a case of "getting over it", it's a case of putting the current regime into context.

What I think some people are doing is starting with the premise that they hated Allardyce and working backwards from that, insofar as things must be better now as we have a new manager.

I wasn't a massive fan of Allardyce, but I was ready to swallow my dislike of the football, and Sam's ego, because he provided stability until we found someone better.

Now we could well be worse off (time will tell), and with John Williams gone stability has now gone straight out of the window.

We shall see by the end of the season, but all of this disruption was a needless gamble by naiive owners who want to stamp their mark on the club.

[Stuart]

Steve Kean must be waking up every day thanking one person he has got this job - we will see how it all pans out, he could be the next Mourinho or he could be a dud.

Ah. That's why he picked Andrews. Empathy.

[92er]

Kean then moved to Coventry with his master Coleman but they we again sacked due to poor results.

Some nutty owners didn't look at Kean's track record or experience but believed he worked hard and talked positive, this was enough to get him a 3 and half year contract.

Still even though Kean's career with Coleman may look like a flop he is still unproven on his own so we all have to give him a chance even though opinion seems to be split.

Very funny!

I'm sure I've read Coleman sacked Kean at Coventry.

[92er]

Plenty of people whinged about Givet when he was fit and playing too.(Correct and a good point).

I'm still undecided about Kean and the whole set up but harking back to what might have been is useless in that it is just what might have been and not what would have been. Our problem really is that not enough of our fans had fallen out of love with our manager when he was sacked.(lots of fans were against Allardyce whilst he was manager, but his sacking produced a sense of shock).

The new owners didn't take the opportunity to bring in an established manager when they did sack allardyce, so Kean was alaways going to be struggling to convince a large section of the fans.(Again many fans can't really understand the logic of giving the job to the Number 3)

Results have not been great and the manager's attempts to change things have been hampered by injury and absence. These do not account for all of the problems but are contributory factors.(Increasingle fans are questioning Kean's tactical nouse in terms of the way he picks his teams and his substitutions)

Surely it's time to stop thinking about Allardyce - he's not coming back.(I agree with you. If we're looking at how well the team is faring, the question I look to answer is how is the inexperienced manager faring against how a more experienced manager, with a wish to produce attacking football, would have fared.)

[imy9]

Very funny!

I'm sure I've read Coleman sacked Kean at Coventry.

Thats incorrect.

[Amo]

I think some people are conveniently forgetting that it was *Allardyce* himself who brought Kean to the club.

[92er]

Thats incorrect.

According to Wikipedia-which I know is not that reliable-Coleman was sacked by Coventry in May 2010.

Kean must have been sacked before that as he was appointed by Allardyce o Aug 4th 2009.

I am sure I have read in the local paper he was sacked by Coleman.

[Kelbo]

And we were loved and respected by the media and other clubs under Allardyce,Ince, Hughes, Souness etc were we. It isn't because of our new owners we are not respected. It's because 15 years or so ago we dared to dream dreams and upset the apple cart of big city clubs. Since then we've never been praised for what we've done right and have been unduly criticised for what we've done wrong. Our new owners are easy prey for those who want to put us down and at times they have not helped themselves;we all know that. But when we, as fans, are on the manager's back regardless of what he does, it makes us an even easier target. I'm very proud of my club, proud of what we have achieved, proud of what I hope we can still achieve in the future, and the use of bad language towards me, even in abbreviated form, is not necessary. I want to see Rovers successful. I want to see Rovers somehow retain the values which I think have stood us in good stead in the past and still be a club that is accessible to its fans and that takes them into account in all the ways it can. I accept that that looks less likely with owners who are wanting to be more hands on that the Trust and yet are based so far away. I don't like the involvement of Kentaro/SEM any more than anyone else, but do I care if premier league managers don't like our manager - not one bit.

I care because in a transfer situation, we may not be favourably looked on when enquiring about players, inflated fees etc etc

[gumboots]

I care because in a transfer situation, we may not be favourably looked on when enquiring about players, inflated fees etc etc

Well, we already get that from clubs like Birmingham anyway and everybody knows Spurs are already hard to deal with for everybody. There are probably a fair few other clubs we've fallen out with over transfers in the past too so I don't think that's anything new. Now if you were to say that because it won't be JW asking about the possible availability of players, I'd understand it more, but it doesn't look like we actually will be taking many players from other PL clubs so it probably won't have a big impact on our transfers anyway.

[Silencio]

Kean is well out his depth. Can't really add anything to the posts made by Jim, Parson, John, and Bryan and Philip on this issue. Venky's and Kean have been and will be a disaster for BRFC.

The appointment of Jensen as is his assistant also baffles me? What does he offer?

[Amo]

Venky's and Kean have been and will be a disaster for BRFC.

You mean, aside from paying £23m for the club, sacking an unpopular manager, and investing in new players?

You're right, though. Shoulda stuck with the Trust. They were going places.

The appointment of Jensen as is his assistant also baffles me? What does he offer?

Stone me. The guy's only been here five seconds, same with Kean. Is now really the time for judge, jury and executioner?

[Silencio]

You mean, aside from paying £23m for the club, sacking an unpopular manager, and investing in new players?

You're right, though. Shoulda stuck with the Trust. They were going places.

Stone me. The guy's only been here five seconds, same with Kean. Is now really the time for judge, jury and executioner?

They sacked a very good manager who was doing an excellent job and then sidelined one of the best Chairmen in the country, before firing him and slagging him off in the press We weren't going places with the Trust, I'll concede that but we are not with this lot in charge.

Re Jensen, do you not think we needed someone with real experience to help Kean out? It has looked like it in the last few games? Why was Jensen given the job?

[tony gale's mic]

You mean, aside from paying £23m for the club, sacking an unpopular manager, and investing in new players?

Paying £23m for the club? Big deal, everyone pays for a club.

Sacking an unpopular manager? Funny that, after he got sacked the reaction from Rovers fans was overwhelmingly negative.

Investing in new players? We're hardly talking on a Randy Lerner scale here - a few loans and the only major signing being £3 million. Yes it was more than the Trust but if you're going to shake up the entire structure which has enabled this club to achieve success on a tiny budget, some investment is the absolute bare minimum.

[imy9]

They sacked a very good manager who was doing an excellent job and then sidelined one of the best Chairmen in the country, before firing him and slagging him off in the press We weren't going places with the Trust, I'll concede that but we are not with this lot in charge.

Re Jensen, do you not think we needed someone with real experience to help Kean out? It has looked like it in the last few games? Why was Jensen given the job?

They paid nearly £50 million for the club and have their own vision about where they see the club going... Sam's hoof ball is not/ was not it. He did a an excellent job under the circumstances but going forward his vision did not match Venky's.

The problem with JW is that before he ran the whole club, the Trustees left him to it, our new owners are more "hands on" and as such JW's role changed, so JW LEFT, you need to check your facts, he was NOT fired.

We have spent money on a player for the first time in what two years, without selling someone, how does that show we are not going places? Jensen has good CV, been an assistant manager and manager in the past, judge him on a couple of games- Liverpool should have fired King Kenny then

[imy9]

Paying £23m for the club? Big deal, everyone pays for a club.

Sacking an unpopular manager? Funny that, after he got sacked the reaction from Rovers fans was overwhelmingly negative.

Investing in new players? We're hardly talking on a Randy Lerner scale here - a few loans and the only major signing being £3 million. Yes it was more than the Trust but if you're going to shake up the entire structure which has enabled this club to achieve success on a tiny budget, some investment is the absolute bare minimum.

Nearly £50 million for OUR club, they were the only ones and the Trust deemed them decent enough to take over, if you paid £50 million for something you would want it to be successful especially if you were the first ones in your country to purchase a PL club.

I think you'll find it was the timing of the firing rather than the firing itself (we should have another poll)

They have had ONE transfer window, the one that is notorious for extortionate prices and have still invested in 4 players who look like decent players. Wait til the summer when we will be buying a marque player

[92er]

They paid nearly £50 million for the club and have their own vision about where they see the club going... Sam's hoof ball is not/ was not it. He did a an excellent job under the circumstances but going forward his vision did not match Venky's.

The problem with JW is that before he ran the whole club, the Trustees left him to it, our new owners are more "hands on" and as such JW's role changed, so JW LEFT, you need to check your facts, he was NOT fired.

We don't know exactly how much the new owners paid for the club.

We know it was being sold for approx £23 mil with the debts on top. We do not know if the Venkys have cleared them, or if they are being serviced.

I also don't altogether get the idea about Williams "leaving". According to the press, Thursday was spent working out the details of his settlement. I thought that if people leave a job, they walk away without any compensation.

[imy9]

We don't know exactly how much the new owners paid for the club.

We know it was being sold for approx £23 mil with the debts on top. We do not know if the Venkys have cleared them, or if they are being serviced.

I also don't altogether get the idea about Williams "leaving". According to the press, Thursday was spent working out the details of his settlement. I thought that if people leave a job, they walk away without any compensation.

The debt is theres not Rovers so in effect they have paid nearly £50 million for the club. If JW was sacked he would say so, the official statement says that he left, which he agrees with. I dont think he is a liar.

[92er]

The debt is theres not Rovers so in effect they have paid nearly £50 million for the club. If JW was sacked he would say so, the official statement says that he left, which he agrees with. I dont think he is a liar.

If they have paid off the debt then indeed they have paid approx £43 mil for the club, but the family have been talking about "servicing" the debt.In these circumstances, we might only discover at some time in the future if they sell the club what has happened to the debt.

If people just leave a job, they don't usually receive compensation. I obviously don't know the circumstances of his decision making process. But I can speculate that in seeing his role diminished, his not being consulted on his knowledge of Premier League workings etc and perhaps then being offered a financial package, he accepted that.

[jim mk2]

Believe me, Sam's reign looked far better from a distance behind a keyboard than having to sit through the negative, anti-football every week. Kean is like a breath of fresh air in comparison, and while he might be learning on the hoof, there's absolutely no way in hell I personally would ever wish for a return to the negative dross served up week in week out under Sam.

Allardyce was taking us backwards this season - I'm pretty sure Kean will move us further forward than Sam ever could, if people give him a chance.

Kean's taken 10 points from 10 games, that's 10 points out of a possible 30 which included 2 wins over a West Brom team in freefall and victory over a demotivated Liverpool.

Now I might be in a minority here but I don't enjoy watching Rovers lose. It really spoils my weekend in fact. So perhaps you might like to explain why you enjoy watching this "breath of fresh air" football under Kean that has so far led to 6 defeats in the league and a dire draw with West Ham that could easily have been another loss.

[LeChuck]

As for the transfer discussions...at least he addressed key areas of the team where we were lacking. We've been crying out for a creative central midfielder for years and yet Allardyce never once really tried to fix it, instead he tried to bypass it. Formica may not work, but at least there is a chance that he may be a crucial part of the puzzle.

You have absolutely no idea whether Allardyce tried to bypass it or not. He never had the money to be granted the luxury of bringing in that sort of player, he was only allowed a freebie and a loan signing in the summer.

And anyway, last season Dunn was brilliant in that advanced midfield role. He scored more goals than any midfielder outside the top three clubs. That wasn't our biggest problem last season. In fact, it was well down on the list.

Given that you started talking about Allardyce unprompted, it seems like you're just defending Kean because he's not Sam Allardyce. People aren't complaining just about this one game, we've looked weak for a while now.