[Archived] Steve Kean

[darwenblueswearehere]

Kean's taken 10 points from 10 games, that's 10 points out of a possible 30 which included 2 wins over a West Brom team in freefall and victory over a demotivated Liverpool.

Now I might be in a minority here but I don't enjoy watching Rovers lose. It really spoils my weekend in fact. So perhaps you might like to explain why you enjoy watching this "breath of fresh air" football under Kean that has so far led to 6 defeats in the league and a dire draw with West Ham that could easily have been another loss.

The highlighted bit could be how I would describe Rovers, for me and my sons, under Sam. And we travelled 400 miles to do so, and still do. We now look forward to it.

Nobody actively likes losing, but for a middling team like us its an occupational hazard. It was under Sam, it is under Kean, and it will be under any future manager.

[Kelbo]

[quote name='imy9' timestamp='1297016884' post='1025563']

The debt is theres not Rovers so in effect they have paid nearly £50 million for the club. If JW was sacked he would say so, the official statement says that he left, which he agrees with. I dont think he is a liar.

I think the thread regarding the Barclays/Mortgage may throw a different light on this one!

[jim mk2]

The highlighted bit could be how I would describe Rovers, for me and my sons, under Sam. And we travelled 400 miles to do so, and still do. We now look forward to it.

Nobody actively likes losing, but for a middling team like us its an occupational hazard. It was under Sam, it is under Kean, and it will be under any future manager.

Nobody likes losing but it is far more likely to happen under Kean. And if the present form under Kean continues we will be relegated, if not this season then certainly next. Some of the performances under Sam were poor but many were not; there have been some dreadful performances under Kean too - viz, the Sunderland, West Ham and Wigan matches .

At present I'm going to matches without any confidence that I am going to see a Rovers win, which is all I care about. I never had that feeling under Sam. Kean's teams remind me o those under Ince - pleasing to watch at times but always looking vulnerable in defence.

The results (which are all that matter) under Kean speak for themselves - Rovers are a worse side than they were under Sam.

[JAL]

There certainly seems to have been a shift in opinion from many on Steve Kean over the weekend from the positive to the negative.

[Amo]

You have absolutely no idea whether Allardyce tried to bypass it or not. He never had the money to be granted the luxury of bringing in that sort of player, he was only allowed a freebie and a loan signing in the summer.

This excuse is wearing pretty thin.

And anyway, last season Dunn was brilliant in that advanced midfield role. He scored more goals than any midfielder outside the top three clubs. That wasn't our biggest problem last season. In fact, it was well down on the list.

Yup, and history shows we can rely on Dunn.

[JAL]

The debt is theres not Rovers so in effect they have paid nearly £50 million for the club. If JW was sacked he would say so, the official statement says that he left, which he agrees with. I dont think he is a liar.

Imy9 it looks like they've changed the goalposts and now the tables have turned and the debt is now ours.

[LeChuck]

This excuse is wearing pretty thin.

So are sarcastic posts that contribute nothing to the debate.

[47er]

Why didn't Allardyce address it either? Oh yeah, because he bought 3 right backs instead.

Believe me, Sam's reign looked far better from a distance behind a keyboard than having to sit through the negative, anti-football every week. Kean is like a breath of fresh air in comparison, and while he might be learning on the hoof, there's absolutely no way in hell I personally would ever wish for a return to the negative dross served up week in week out under Sam.

Allardyce was taking us backwards this season - I'm pretty sure Kean will move us further forward than Sam ever could, if people give him a chance.

Once again a poster can only defend Kean by attacking Allardyce. If Venkys were so convinced that Sam wasn't the man to realise their vision for the club then they had 2 logical options-----replace him immediately with an experienced manager or wait till one became available. Instead they acted immediately without an experienced option in sight.

That brings us to what this should be about-----direct discussion of Kean. I have heard Holloway described as "a breath of fresh air" many times. Sadly Blackpool leak goals like--well-like we do and are going down. The neutrals will love it though.We were comfortably placed when the new man took over-----21 points from 15 games is mid-table or above for sure.

Now after more than a quarter of a season in Kean's control, we have taken 10 points from 10 games-that is relegation form and that is continuing after a transfer window.Fair enough, 2 of the new men have not played-they'll have to be good.

Where is there any sign that Kean is up to it? He dropped Keith and that's about it. We are playing totally naive football which will, in all likelihood see us plummet down the table. Whether we can hang on or not remains to be seen. Let's see how many season-ticket-holders hang on then eh if the worst is realised.He cannot seem to see the need to organise the structure of the team around its strengths because he has little experience of it.

Its hard to avoid the conclusion that Venkys wanted a yes man and their vision was of us soaring up the table, playing all-out attacking football on minimal investment. An honest man would say "it can't be done".

A yes-man would say "I'll do it."

Based on what exactly? Record away defeats?

It matters nothing - Sam's gone, whether you think it's for better or worse.

Time to get over it, and move on.

Time to stop bringing him up then eh?

[Amo]

So are sarcastic posts that contribute nothing to the debate.

So you think Sam did his utmost to improve our midfield? I know he had a tight budget, but players like Charlie Adam & Stuart Holden cost peanuts, and apparently Sam even turned down the latter. Perhaps he should have put the £2.5m wasted on Chimbonda towards finding a new midfielder.

And my Dunn point still rests. No point hinging your tactics on a player notoriously crocked.

[tony gale's mic]

So you think Sam did his utmost to improve our midfield? I know he had a tight budget, but players like Charlie Adam & Stuart Holden cost peanuts, and apparently Sam even turned down the latter. Perhaps he should have put the £2.5m wasted on Chimbonda towards finding a new midfielder.

And my Dunn point still rests. No point hinging your tactics on a player notoriously crocked.

Charlie Adam had fallen out of favour in the SPL - if we'd signed him then the initial reaction would almost certainly be one of disappointment. Stuart Holden came from MLS - again it's hardly criminal that Sam turned him down is it? Bolton took a punt on him and it worked out, but for every one Stuart Holden there's 10 that don't work out. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I'm sure if Sam couldve used your fantastic powers then he would've signed Charlie Adam too. Or, so would've the likes of Alex Ferguson, Kenny Dalglish and Harry Redknapp who were interested in him at £10m plus this last transfer window.

Yep, pinning our hopes on players who have poor injury records isn't a great idea. Good job we signed the likes of Roque and Jermaine Jones this window then!

[47er]

I think some people are conveniently forgetting that it was *Allardyce* himself who brought Kean to the club.

I don't think he brought him him as the next manager though. Quite prepared to believe that Kean was good at his previous job. What a stupid post.

And we were loved and respected by the media and other clubs under Allardyce,Ince, Hughes, Souness etc were we. It isn't because of our new owners we are not respected. It's because 15 years or so ago we dared to dream dreams and upset the apple cart of big city clubs. Since then we've never been praised for what we've done right and have been unduly criticised for what we've done wrong. Our new owners are easy prey for those who want to put us down and at times they have not helped themselves;we all know that. But when we, as fans, are on the manager's back regardless of what he does, it makes us an even easier target. I'm very proud of my club, proud of what we have achieved, proud of what I hope we can still achieve in the future, and the use of bad language towards me, even in abbreviated form, is not necessary. I want to see Rovers successful. I want to see Rovers somehow retain the values which I think have stood us in good stead in the past and still be a club that is accessible to its fans and that takes them into account in all the ways it can. I accept that that looks less likely with owners who are wanting to be more hands on that the Trust and yet are based so far away. I don't like the involvement of Kentaro/SEM any more than anyone else, but do I care if premier league managers don't like our manager - not one bit.

I don't care whether other Premier league managers like Kean or not either Gumboots---so long as he's any good.

[tony gale's mic]

I don't think he brought him him as the next manager though. Quite prepared to believe that Kean was good at his previous job. What a stupid post.

Yeah, can't believe some people have a contingency plan to blame Sam if Kean does badly.

Jesus Topman you've really outdone yourself this time.

[Amo]

Charlie Adam had fallen out of favour in the SPL - if we'd signed him then the initial reaction would almost certainly be one of disappointment. Stuart Holden came from MLS - again it's hardly criminal that Sam turned him down is it? Bolton took a punt on him and it worked out, but for every one Stuart Holden there's 10 that don't work out.

That's the point. Those clubs took a punt and it paid off. Clubs of our size have to do that more than than not. If only Hughes hadn't gambled, we wouldn't have got Warnock, Bentley, Samba etc. Sam did the same with Nzonzi, and credit to him, but evidently made little effort to secure an attacking midfielder.

Yep, pinning our hopes on players who have poor injury records isn't a great idea. Good job we signed the likes of Roque and Jermaine Jones this window then!

Let's keep things in context.

[imy9]

Imy9 it looks like they've changed the goalposts and now the tables have turned and the debt is now ours.

It's all conjecture at the moment, it will be revealed when company records are out in the public domain.

[Amo]

Yeah, can't believe some people have a contingency plan to blame Sam if Kean does badly.

Jesus Topman you've really outdone yourself this time.

Yeah, because that's what I said.

I was making the point that Sam brought Kean here and clearly rated his credentials. It wasn't like he was drafted in as a Kentaro agent to usurp the manager, as some would suggest. He was a respected part of the previous set-up.

[Steve Moss]

Stuart Holden came from MLS - again it's hardly criminal that Sam turned him down is it? Bolton took a punt on him and it worked out, but for every one Stuart Holden there's 10 that don't work out. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, . . .

Our club captain, Nelsen, also came from the MLS. So don't knock it too much.

On the issue of Holden, there were more than a few posters here singing his praises before his Bolton move. I know. I was one of them. And it had nothing to do with the power of 'hindsight'. He was obvious quality, hard working and a team player.

[tony gale's mic]

That's the point. Those clubs took a punt and it paid off. Clubs of our size have to do that more than than not. If only Hughes hadn't gambled, we wouldn't have got Warnock, Bentley, Samba etc. Sam did the same with Nzonzi, and credit to him, but evidently made little effort to secure an attacking midfielder.

But Sam wanted to stabilise our team first (especially since we were leaking goals under Ince) make us solid and then after that go after players with a bit of flair. He was after Charlie Adam (when at Blackpool) long before anyone else was, in fact I think once Venky's arrived with their cash Adam was one of the first players Sam was linked with back in November. His model at Bolton was a little like this too, he consolidated their PL status for a couple of seasons once he got them promoted, got a solid base of players then added to it with the likes of Okocha etc who put them on another level.

Yes Chimbonda didn't end up working out well but at £2 million for someone who quite obviously has talent and could (in theory) play either side of the back four it seemed like a decent deal on the face of it. Yes it didn't work out well in the end but he actually started off reasonably well and ultimately Sam was taking a punt on him too. Chimbonda at his best was pretty good on both sides of defence and could have been good for us if his attitude hadn't been terrible. But that's what sometimes happens when you sign players for £2 million.

[John]

Has it been explained why Jensen got the job?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Can we please have a rule to ban Sam discussions from every flipping match thread, it's tedious and pointless.

Personally I think Ken Furphy would have got us three points yesterday, which is about as relevant.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Has it been explained why Jensen got the job?

No, and it won't be. Not unless you buy the club and demand explainations

[47er]

Yeah, because that's what I said.

I was making the point that Sam brought Kean here and clearly rated his credentials. It wasn't like he was drafted in as a Kentaro agent to usurp the manager, as some would suggest. He was a respected part of the previous set-up.

A different part though. A lesser part.

[47er]

Can we please have a rule to ban Sam discussions from every flipping match thread, it's tedious and pointless.

Personally I think Ken Furphy would have got us three points yesterday, which is about as relevant.

Yep--lets judge Kean on his record-----10 points out of 10 games.

[darwenblueswearehere]

Nobody likes losing but it is far more likely to happen under Kean. And if the present form under Kean continues we will be relegated, if not this season then certainly next. Some of the performances under Sam were poor but many were not; there have been some dreadful performances under Kean too - viz, the Sunderland, West Ham and Wigan matches .

At present I'm going to matches without any confidence that I am going to see a Rovers win, which is all I care about. I never had that feeling under Sam. Kean's teams remind me o those under Ince - pleasing to watch at times but always looking vulnerable in defence.

The results (which are all that matter) under Kean speak for themselves - Rovers are a worse side than they were under Sam.

Its too early to judge yet. Plus, I don't actually think their points ratios are all that dissimilar even if you think it isn't too early to judge. Has everyone forgotten some of the abject, miserable performances (particularly away from home, to be fair) under Sam. Those 3-0 defeats at Fulham, Everton, Stoke etc etc were every bit as bad as some of Ince's defeats, and any other ###### manager you care to mention. That's without mentioning shipping 7 at OT, a sackable offence in itself possibly. The point being, we WILL lose some games, whoever is in charge. We've scored 3 twice already in away games under Kean, could you in your wildest dreams have imagined us doing that under Sam? Didn't think so.

I think we all need to get behind Kean now and give him at least until the end of the season before we get the knives out.

[John]

Ok, might do that just so we can all find out!

[imy9]

Could we not have Sams strengths and weaknesses on a seperate page and then if anyone has not heard the points they could go there. Thus ensuring that every thread would turn into a about Sam thread! Bet Big Sam is loving the attention he is getting lol!