[Archived] Steve Kean

[cruz]

No what i said he had to rally players who according to certain people didn't want to play for the club and he had to travel to India stop all the bad media , don't recolect antbody else having to do that, and we where hardly in a good position when he took over three points of the drop zone if i remember having played more games.So not that weird!!!

I'd like to see the table from 12/12/11 to verify that but can't find it. Anyone help? The sorts of things you are talking about seem quite minor to me cf staring relegation in the face. Bad media-----we were hammered under Hughes for our style of play, didn't worry him. So still weird!

Table when Kean took over http://www.blackburnrovers-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadgen.asp?Day=12&Month=Dec&ssnno=140&teamno=73

Table when Allardyce took over http://www.blackburnrovers-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadgen.asp?Day=13&Month=Dec&ssnno=138&teamno=73

Table when Hughes took over http://www.blackburnrovers-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadgen.asp?Day=11&Month=Sep&ssnno=134&teamno=73

[philipl]

We were 5 points off the drop zone when Sam was fired and 5 points off the drop zone now.

[cruz]

We were 5 points off the drop zone when Sam was fired and 5 points off the drop zone now.

And 4 points nearer the bottom

[jim mk2]

'The point' is the futility of making any kind of a comparison between the two after every match. That is the whole essence of the argument. This is certainly not difficult to understand either. There, now you've had it spelled out for you you can crawl back to Dingle land, or wherever it is you purport to come from.

It may be "futile" to you but it is not futile to other supporters. If you do not have anything to add to the discussion stay out of it.

This might be a difficult concept but if you have difficulty try the Early Learning Centre. After that, move on to Janet and John books.

I'm at Rovers matches most weeks. You stay in Glasgow.

[John]

Kean is in the privileged position of being able to recruit players on 70-90k wages (for example), no other Rovers manager has had that previously (plus also not, so far, having to sell our best players).

The only way should be up.

[47er]

We were 5 points off the drop zone when Sam was fired and 5 points off the drop zone now.

Bep's point that I was querying was that we were 3 points off the drop zone when Sam was fired. Clearly we were 5 off and only 17 games had been played.

Think this is right, although put together fairly quickly, PL records of last four managers during the first 9 games. Not a lot in it although you have to say Sam and Mark Hughes had much bigger jobs to do in thier first 10 games.

Mark Hughes* P9 W2 D5 L2 Pts 11

Paul Ince P9 W3 D3 L3 Pts 12

Big Sam P9 W3 D5 L1 Pts 14

Steve Kentaro P9 W3 D1 L5 Pts 10

*excludes Portsmouth game (win) as Tony Parkes was still in charge although I do remember him on the touchline during the second half.

Neither Hughes nor Allardyce inherited a side well out of the relegation zone. On the contrary we were well and truly in it. Kean should have done better than they did and he's done worse than any of them including Ince! The Messiah he is not.

[OscarRaven]

Kean should have done better than they did and he's done worse than any of them including Ince! The Messiah he is not.

extrapolating that logic you would conclude Paul Ince was a better manager than Mark Hughes. I think the one conclusion you can actually draw from that data is that its still too early to decide one way or the other.

The other post on the like for like fixtures was interesting, even if circumstances can't be matched - gave a different result.

I still don't like the way it was all concluded or the way he didn't seem to want to work through JW but first my impressions are that he is self assured, calm and practical. Good traits for a manager. I hope he succeeds and if he does then I'm sure my football fan memory (akin to goldfish) will allow me to forget about the stink at the start.

[John]

True, my thoughts are similar to OscarRaven.

As I said, the worry is there if we go on a bad run how he will cope - the whole managerial team, including coaching staff, are very inxperienced of being at the top level.

It is key for a good manager, usually, to have control of the football club plus have excellent man management skills.

[Kelbo]

True, my thoughts are similar to OscarRaven.

As I said, the worry is there if we go on a bad run how he will cope - the whole managerial team, including coaching staff, are very inxperienced of being at the top level.

It is key for a good manager, usually, to have control of the football club plus have excellent man management skills.

And to have good people around him, Hughes had a pro license but so had Hitchcock and Bowen, three top class people along with an experienced Chairman.

[LeChuck]

That's one of my biggest worries, Jensen has absolutely no experience of coaching and tactics in the Premier League. When the going gets tough who do we turn to for an experienced head?

I would have felt far happier about the whole set-up had we gone for someone like Ray Wilkins/Steve Clarke etc as assistant. i.e. someone with a recent, proven record.

[John]

Wihtout going into too much depth, the dynamics of the coaching set up need to be right.

Manager: Steve Kean

Assistant Manager: John Jensen

First Team Coach: Iain Brunskill

Top five here we come? Would be a great story if they/we pulled it off.....

[Sparky Marky]

We need to get shut of all of them immediately and replace them with ;

Sven Eriksson

Derek Fazackerley

He'd come to rovers tomorrow and is a Venky's type of manager...

[chris]

We need to get shut of all of them immediately and replace them with ;

Sven Eriksson

Derek Fazackerley

He'd come to rovers tomorrow and is a Venky's type of manager...

I always wondered what would have happended to Blackburn if we had signed Sven Eriksson and not that complete idiot Roy Hodgson.

I'm sure we would have seen a few more golden years, Sven was top of his game back then.

[Sparky Marky]

Still is mate....Doing very well with Leicester....I'd snap him up now if I was the owners.

[chaddyrovers]

That's one of my biggest worries, Jensen has absolutely no experience of coaching and tactics in the Premier League. When the going gets tough who do we turn to for an experienced head?

I would have felt far happier about the whole set-up had we gone for someone like Ray Wilkins/Steve Clarke etc as assistant. i.e. someone with a recent, proven record.

I would agree with this.

I still think we need a proven PL or top level european manager. But they would ask to be in full control of team affairs and transfers! not the type of manager the owners wanted is that. I am not saying that Kean had a say in transfers but I don't think that he has the final say.

I know who I would want to be rovers manager but I'm not the owner of Blackburn Rovers!!!

[chris]

Still is mate....Doing very well with Leicester....I'd snap him up now if I was the owners.

Well he went back on his word and went on to win the Coppa Italia and the Italian Supercup in 1998 and 2000, the European Cup Winners' Cup (1999 – the very last tournament), and the Serie A title (the Scudetto) in 2000.

And we got sh1tty Roy Hodgson who flushed us down the toilet.

Still pisses me off

[chaddyrovers]

Jason Roberts has just said on twitter that, the players are very happy with SK as manager and with the owners plans for the club going forwards

[J*B]

Jason Roberts has just said on twitter that, the players are very happy with SK as manager and with the owners plans for the club going forwards

I doubt he'd ever say "no we arnt"!

[67splitscreen]

Wihtout going into too much depth, the dynamics of the coaching set up need to be right.

Manager: Steve Kean

Assistant Manager: John Jensen

First Team Coach: Iain Brunskill

Top five here we come? Would be a great story if they/we pulled it off.....

Not according to the official site which was updated recently.

First team coach:

Reserve team Manager: Iain Brunskill

Maybe we are still looking for a first team coach.

[vintageadidas]

Kean is certainly a thinker!!! Listen to the post match interview from the Wigan game "i think, think, think, thinking, think"

[LeChuck]

Kean is certainly a thinker!!! Listen to the post match interview from the Wigan game "i think, think, think, thinking, think"

Better than "y'know mmmm erm y'know innit".

[Exiled in Toronto]

I doubt he'd ever say "no we arnt"!

He didn't have to say anything

[philipl]

never mind the smelly way he arrived, never mind the iffy selections/subs made, never mind the fact he probably caught West Brom and Liverpool at the "right" time, Kean is the boss and we have got to hope fervently he gets it right against Newcastle.

Win and we can think about the top half, lose and we will sweat about oblivion.

[PAFELL]

never mind the smelly way he arrived, never mind the iffy selections/subs made, never mind the fact he probably caught West Brom and Liverpool at the "right" time, Kean is the boss and we have got to hope fervently he gets it right against Newcastle.

Win and we can think about the top half, lose and we will sweat about oblivion.

Er I take it you don't like Steve Kean? Or anybody remotely linked with Kentaro?

The Venky's sacked Sam because they wanted a change in football style - something Sam was not able to produce. But at the end of the day it is down to the choice of the new owners who they have managing the club. But we all have opinions on that issue and we are entitled to have them. It is in the past and there is nothing any of us can do about it.

Was it not reported last season in the media that Sam had two games to prove he was the right man for the job. Yes I know that was denie dat the time. But after the man city away game - I think last season - the club was in a bit of turmoil. So even under the last owners Sam went through a bad spell where people on here were not happy with what was happening on the pitch / results. Number of times - depending on the match result - when folk said Sam should go. Whilst others disagreed.

You are not the only one who has mentioned iffy selections. But were not his selections based on who was available, due to injuries / suspensions etc at the time. Trying out different pairings up front has needed to be done, due to the amount of chnaces that have been missed.

One thing I do not like about Kean, is he talks too much before the game on how he wants his team to play. He more or less tells the oponents how Rovers are goig to play - which is very daft.

Although inexperienced in many ways, he has managed before. There was a time when chris colemann didn't have his badges whilst at fulham, so in effect that made kean the manager.

The difference with regards to Hughes, Ince and Kean is that the former two had had more experience of management before coming to Rovers. They also wanted the job, whereas for Kean, the job came to him, he was landed with it. Because of that I am happy to give him a little bit more time before passing judgement.

[philipl]

Let's get this correct, as nicko explained, Venky's sacked Sam when they did because they hosted a society party when we played away at Old Trafford.

Given a choice of games to show Rovers off, who on this MB would have picked Man U away???

And by the way, my post is being misread if you think I dislike Steve Kean- that was actually a call to support him this Saturday if you would care to re-read it.