[Archived] Steve Kean

[Stuart]

Arsenal?

Buy low, sell high model. Spent on average £1.8m per season since the beginning of the PL, according to this.

[BangkokRover]

Arsenal?

Buy low, sell high model. Spent on average £1.8m per season since the beginning of the PL, according to this.

Arsenal is a brilliant way to run a club but they do have the money buy big if they want to. They also operate in a completely different financial world to Rovers.

[Kelbo]

We aren't a park team imy, where the lads are out for a kick about, we're a professional football club. Go ask any professional sportsman or manager and ask them what their job is about and they will tell you to a man that it's about winning. That's their task - winning, that's what gets their adrenaline flowing, that's where they get their kicks from. They get no satisfaction from playing well and losing. As a fan, I get the satisfaction from seeing my club, whichever way they can, take on the opposition and beat them. I get no satisfaction from losing a game.

You might point to the way Arsenal play as being proof that attractive football is important to some managers. The thing is that Wenger sees the way he plays his football as being the best way of winning games. If Arsenal were towards the bottom of the league on anything like a regular basis, they wouldn't be playing that way, because Wenger would Either change his methods, or get the sack.

and that's where the arguments about clubs wanting attractive football falls down, because ultimately, they don't. Some fans see that, some don't.

Thats a great example Den and so very true!!

[Steve Moss]

Don't pretend Big Sam was this squeaky clean angel who only stuck around for the good of the club.

Sam's lack of angelic qaulities is not the issue. The issue is Sam's obvious competency vs. whatever it is that Kean has going for him.

Why can't some people get over the fact Sam has gone?

It is not so much the fact that Sam is gone which is frustrating, but the person they chose to replace him with.

Yes he probably would have kept us up but his style was awful to watch.

Your use of 'probably' is in error. Sam would have certainly kept us up, as of the time of his sacking, and he probably would have had us in the top 10.

[USABlue]

Kean had just better figure it out quickly, the league table makes very nervy viewing this morning. FIVE points only. Crap that's too close.

[AggyBlue]

We aren't a park team imy, where the lads are out for a kick about, we're a professional football club. Go ask any professional sportsman or manager and ask them what their job is about and they will tell you to a man that it's about winning. That's their task - winning, that's what gets their adrenaline flowing, that's where they get their kicks from. They get no satisfaction from playing well and losing. As a fan, I get the satisfaction from seeing my club, whichever way they can, take on the opposition and beat them. I get no satisfaction from losing a game.

You might point to the way Arsenal play as being proof that attractive football is important to some managers. The thing is that Wenger sees the way he plays his football as being the best way of winning games. If Arsenal were towards the bottom of the league on anything like a regular basis, they wouldn't be playing that way, because Wenger would Either change his methods, or get the sack.

and that's where the arguments about clubs wanting attractive football falls down, because ultimately, they don't. Some fans see that, some don't.

Well it was worth the wait

[John]

Someone pointed out to me yesterday that Steve Kean's, in their opinion, lack charisma. Whilst Kean talks a good game and does a damn good presser I can see where they are coming from (obviously I don't know him well).

Coaches are usually the player's friend so hopefully he can, successfully, make the transition to being a manager. Vital too, IMO, he stops referring to "work on the training ground" to cure all our errors - the good managers rely on more than coaching to be successful.

So far he does not appear to know his best 11 which is strange as he should know the playing staff very well.

I do wonder how the working partnership with John Jensen will work out - presumably they don't know each other and probably the first time Jensen heard of Kean was when he approached him for the job.

[JAL]

Someone pointed out to me yesterday that Steve Kean's, in their opinion, lack charisma. Whilst Kean talks a good game and does a damn good presser I can see where they are coming from (obviously I don't know him well).

Coaches are usually the player's friend so hopefully he can, successfully, make the transition to being a manager. Vital too, IMO, he stops referring to "work on the training ground" to cure all our errors - the good managers rely on more than coaching to be successful.

So far he does not appear to know his best 11 which is strange as he should know the playing staff very well.

.The big difference between a coach and a manager here is, the manager knows all the cards at his disposal re subs, and corrects any live ongoing situation during a game by utilising one of his cards rather than thinking, wait until training next to try and rectify any weaknesses when that moment of opportunity has gone and different challenges and obstacles face you in your next game.

Obviously with this Steve Kean is one step behind everyone else. Not good !

[tony gale's mic]

Arsenal is a brilliant way to run a club but they do have the money buy big if they want to. They also operate in a completely different financial world to Rovers.

Exactly. Arsenal's net transfer spend is admirable but they spend plenty of money in other areas. And they can play attractive football knowing there's a financial fall back if things go so well. Comparing the way we operate with the way they operate is pointless, although we can try and learn a few lessons from them.

[Majiball]

What did Wenger do when he took over arsenal?

Did we see Dixon and Winterburn playing as wingers ala Glichy and Sagna? Did Wenger change everything?

No he didn't touch the back 5, he changed what was going on in front of them as he knew he had a solid base to build on.

Wenger built up to the style of play we see today from being some boring defensive minded team.

[den]

Well it was worth the wait

I'm not so sure Aggy.

[rovers_rob]

Someone pointed out to me yesterday that Steve Kean's, in their opinion, lack charisma. Whilst Kean talks a good game and does a damn good presser I can see where they are coming from (obviously I don't know him well).

Coaches are usually the player's friend so hopefully he can, successfully, make the transition to being a manager. Vital too, IMO, he stops referring to "work on the training ground" to cure all our errors - the good managers rely on more than coaching to be successful.

Sparky used to say that all the time. How else is he supposed to cure the errors ?

So far he does not appear to know his best 11 which is strange as he should know the playing staff very well.

I do wonder how the working partnership with John Jensen will work out - presumably they don't know each other and probably the first time Jensen heard of Kean was when he approached him for the job.

I think the players we have are really inconsistent and even under Sam they were the same. Sam said on regular basis that he didn't know his best 11.

This isn't aimed at you John but all this gushing Sam loving thats going on on this MB is ridiculous, pity people didn't love the guy when he was our manager. I remember this time last year when we beat Hull 1-0 at home there were people booing after the final whistle because it wasn't good enough and people were calling for his head on here as well.

Newcastle played really well yesterday and we were terrible but we still got a point. Under the circumstances I think Kean has done a decent job, we have had a few bad results recently but I don't think it would have been any different under Sam's management.

I think the 2 week break has come at a good time and it will give Kean time to coach the players and it will also be an opportunity to get Jones and RSC properly fit. Hopefully Formica will be ready to play as well in the next game as well.

The timing of Sam's sacking was terrible and Kean was thrown in at the deep end but the main thing is the players are on his side so I am confident that we will be ok this season.

[Tom]

Your use of 'probably' is in error. Sam would have certainly kept us up, as of the time of his sacking, and he probably would have had us in the top 10.

Nothing is a certainty in football you should know that by now

[Kelbo]

Sparky used to say that all the time. How else is he supposed to cure the errors ?

I think the players we have are really inconsistent and even under Sam they were the same. Sam said on regular basis that he didn't know his best 11.

This isn't aimed at you John but all this gushing Sam loving thats going on on this MB is ridiculous, pity people didn't love the guy when he was our manager. I remember this time last year when we beat Hull 1-0 at home there were people booing after the final whistle because it wasn't good enough and people were calling for his head on here as well.

Newcastle played really well yesterday and we were terrible but we still got a point. Under the circumstances I think Kean has done a decent job, we have had a few bad results recently but I don't think it would have been any different under Sam's management.

I think the 2 week break has come at a good time and it will give Kean time to coach the players and it will also be an opportunity to get Jones and RSC properly fit. Hopefully Formica will be ready to play as well in the next game as well.

The timing of Sam's sacking was terrible and Kean was thrown in at the deep end but the main thing is the players are on his side so I am confident that we will be ok this season.

Are they?

[chaddyrovers]

It is not so much the fact that Sam is gone which is frustrating, but the person they chose to replace him with.

Your use of 'probably' is in error. Sam would have certainly kept us up, as of the time of his sacking, and he probably would have had us in the top 10.

You are spot on there Steve. When they sacked Big Sam and had replace him with Martin Jol or Frank Rijkaard or Jurgen Knilsmann or Marco Van Basten. Then we would have gone fair play, we can understand that. But to replace a PL experience manager with a first team coach is pointless and have place us in a relegation scrap.

When we had Big Sam you know that we were never going to go down but now we had a chance of that happening. I hope we don't but there is a greater chance of that under SK than Big Sam.

[Hekla]

I'm not usually negative with football related opinions but I don't feel any excitement from Kean, yes at first he impressed but now I'm starting to doubt his tactics, decisions, team selections. I do feel we will survive this season, but the guy isn't the man to lead the team for the coming seasons. We will need new impetus, new ideas from a proven manager. I go for Michael Laudrup but I'm not sure of his situation with his current club, if we want attacking football then this is the man. Do we feel that Kean has lost the dressing room? I don't mean to sound nasty but it's just a question.

[McClarky]

I'm not usually negative with football related opinions but I don't feel any excitement from Kean, yes at first he impressed but now I'm starting to doubt his tactics, decisions, team selections. I do feel we will survive this season, but the guy isn't the man to lead the team for the coming seasons. We will need new impetus, new ideas from a proven manager. I go for Michael Laudrup but I'm not sure of his situation with his current club, if we want attacking football then this is the man. Do we feel that Kean has lost the dressing room? I don't mean to sound nasty but it's just a question.

A bit early for all this, we are kind of stuck with him for the time being so best to get behind him and hope he can turn it round. Not impressed by the chopping and changing though and he still needs to convince that he knows enough to be a manager at this level.

[Kelbo]

I pose this question again in all sincerity, can anyone help?

Posted Today, 12:18 PM

I wonder how we got over Kean not having a pro license, looking at the list he doesnt appear to have one?

[rovers_rob]

Are they?

Go on then I will ask ....

Other than EHD are there some other players that you know of that are not supporting Kean ?

[Kelbo]

I look at the body language of players, its important, though yes, I do know of some but would you post on here, risk confidentiality and then get ###### thrown at the players?

[imy9]

I pose this question again in all sincerity, can anyone help?

Posted Today, 12:18 PM

I wonder how we got over Kean not having a pro license, looking at the list he doesnt appear to have one?

I asked the same question Kelbo a while back, Nicko confirmed that he has EVERY badge. Not only that but he is also a "trainer" and is currently helping Dunny with his badges. The list you mention is on Wiki, so obviously not 100% reliable. The fact that no one else has mentioned it supports what Nicko has said already.

[RovertheHill]

There are always players who don't like the manager. Ask Jason Roberts. It was true under Kenny and it's been true under every manager since. What's the point being made?

[Steve Moss]

Other than EHD are there some other players that you know of that are not supporting Kean ?

No one except EHD, currently. There were several rumbling early on (per published articles) but that died down when:

1. They were offered more money to shut up;

2. Meet with Venkys' reps and found out they were ambitious with a positive plan of action; and/or,

3. Both.

Which one of the three is most likely I haven't a clue.

[JAL]

I pose this question again in all sincerity, can anyone help?

Posted Today, 12:18 PM

I wonder how we got over Kean not having a pro license, looking at the list he doesnt appear to have one?

You have got be kidding Kelbo ! If true, this is an absolute nightmare.

[Kelbo]

You have got be kidding Kelbo ! If true, this is an absolute nightmare.

I have looked on the list both England and abroad, his name is not there, google it yourself!

The list goes to 2009 and here is the latest intake.

The Pro Licence takes a year to complete and the following coaches hope to complete the course in the summer of 2010:

Nigel Adkins, Frankie Bunn, Julie Chipchase, Bobby Davison, Roberto Di Matteo, Sean Dyche, Paul Hart, Keith Hill, Damien Matthew, Eddie Newton, Thorvaldur Orlygsson, Tony Parks, John Pemberton, Gus Poyet, Steve Staunton, Willum Thor Thorsson, Paul Tisdale.