[Archived] Steve Kean

[Kelbo]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:05, cruz said:

So to recap Steve Kean has no Uefa Pro Licence and has hoodwinked the FA when he was appointed as well as the Irish FA when he masqueraded as a certified coach and gave a lecture?

Presumably Lord Lucan attended the course and came on Shergar?

I am asking a question which is relevent, look at the FA websites, he is not listed, so where did he get his license?

Is that not a pertinent question, surely if you went for a job, you could say you were a bloody proffessor, without proof it holds no water, I am merely asking for someone to show me where he gained his license as the FA website does not accredit him with one.

Shergar is dead and Lord Lucan cant be found, nor can I find evidence of Keans Pro License, I will hold my hand up if he has one, but I would just like to know where he obtained it!!

[Mercer]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:17, imy9 said:

On the record at least five players have praised Kean and the work he has done.

Most people would speak favourably of their boss if just given a handsome pay rise or new contract!

[John]

When discussing who our manager should or should not be, you HAVE to take into account that our owners are Venky's plus be aware of who their main adviser is.

[RovertheHill]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:05, Kelbo said:

You must get real here, someone posted the players were behind Kean, I argued, really?, are you sure?

There are times when you cant say things on a messageboard, you have been forewarned, when the ###### hits the fan you will realise who was correct!

Get real? I am sick to the back teeth of people coming on here who post that they have heard this and heard that and then say they can't say anymore because it would break a confidence. Well you people should get real - you've already broken the confidence in part by posting that you've been told something negative. Really, just what is the point of posting it at all? Either put up or shut up and stop the secret squirrel ###### already

[Mercer]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:20, Kelbo said:

I am asking a question which is relevent, look at the FA websites, he is not listed, so where did he get his license?

Is that not a pertinent question, surely if you went for a job, you could say you were a bloody proffessor, without proof it holds no water, I am merely asking for someone to show me where he gained his license as the FA website does not accredit him with one.

Shergar is dead and Lord Lucan cant be found, nor can I find evidence of Keans Pro License, I will hold my hand up if he has one, but I would just like to know where he obtained it!!

Kelbo - I agree it's strange if you can't trace. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've told us that you have some coaching badges and therefore, presumably, access to all the relevant sites. If Kean hasn't got this licence, several people are going to be in the deep proverbial including senior Rovers' people.

[philipl]

  On 13/02/2011 at 21:55, 67splitscreen said:

Listening to Sams video from this morning on Sky, management is about the whole running of the club in terms of the football side, man management Etc, coaching represents around 10% of your duties.

One of the problems Kean seems to having is finding a balance, he remedies one failing but that only enhances another and so on, three games in the next five weeks should iron out a lot of the problems, or is the problem Jensen, an awful lot seems to have gone off course since he arrived.

Watching Steve Kean's interview on BBC Football Focus this Saturday, he really did sound like little boy lost at times.

The interview is here- he sounds particularly lost when talking about transfers.

[47er]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:34, Mercerman said:

Kelbo - I agree it's strange if you can't trace. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've told us that you have some coaching badges and therefore, presumably, access to all the relevant sites. If Kean hasn't got this licence, several people are going to be in the deep proverbial including senior Rovers' people.

If he has got the licence, it means its not worth having.

[Kelbo]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:34, Mercerman said:

Kelbo - I agree it's strange if you can't trace. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've told us that you have some coaching badges and therefore, presumably, access to all the relevant sites. If Kean hasn't got this licence, several people are going to be in the deep proverbial including senior Rovers' people.

If he has got the license, I truly apologise, I just cant trace it anywhere!!

[47er]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:35, philipl said:

Watching Steve Kean's interview on BBC Football Focus this Saturday, he really did sound like little boy lost at times.

The interview is here- he sounds particularly lost when talking about transfers.

The readers of the LT think he's lost. Read the comments on the game------77 of them! We are kind to him by comparison.

[Amo]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:51, Kelbo said:

If he has got the license, I truly apologise, I just cant trace it anywhere!!

Here you go.

Search for 'Steve Kean'.

[Steve Moss]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:51, Kelbo said:

If he has got the license, I truly apologise, I just cant trace it anywhere!!

Looking at his playing and management career (per wiki) he may have obtained it in:

Scotland;

England;

Portugal;

Spain.

There is also a gap in his wiki biography from 1994-2003. The Celtic website has him serving as a youth team coach and as a head of a club (Reading? The description is not clear) academy in this period. http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Kean%2C+Steve

When at Coventry, Scolari tried to get him as an assistant at Chelsea.

And here is a clue: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20001105/ai_n13953165/ Apparently he was on the verge of getting it in 2000 and was noted as being expected to get it in 2001 (the next batch). Most online lists start as of 2002.

Apparently his legal name is Stephen Kean, or at least that was what he used early on in Scotland and Portugal.

[RovertheHill]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:51, Kelbo said:

If he has got the license, I truly apologise, I just cant trace it anywhere!!

Maybe one of your contacts could ask him to photocopy it for you? Or maybe just write to the club and ask?

[Jimmy612]

  On 13/02/2011 at 22:07, Mattyblue said:

You disagree cruz?

To be honest cruz blamed the dire performance yesterday on Santa Cruz missing that header, not on the shambolic tactics employed by our manager, so I wouldnt take him too seriously.

Not too sure how you could disagree by the statement about allardyce keeping us up and getting us top 10, he did it last season on a shoestring, and led us to a semi-final.

[Miker]

Looking at the form table, we have the equal second worst away form in the league and we're not even in the top 10 for home form. Looking at that, it doesn't read well. Maybe I've just gotten used to our home form being one of the best in the league...

[John]

  On 13/02/2011 at 21:55, 67splitscreen said:

Listening to Sams video from this morning on Sky, management is about the whole running of the club in terms of the football side, man management Etc, coaching represents around 10% of your duties.

One of the problems Kean seems to having is finding a balance, he remedies one failing but that only enhances another and so on, three games in the next five weeks should iron out a lot of the problems, or is the problem Jensen, an awful lot seems to have gone off course since he arrived.

That was the point I was making previously - most good manager's usually have high level advanced sophisticated coaching staff in place. I know Sparky and Sam, for example, delegated a lot of this responsibility to their backroom teams (as they had complete faith in their abilities to work with the players, improve them etc).

Our current management set up just seems an odd mix. Obviously we all want it to work out and be successful however there is a lot of inexperience there.

[Kelbo]

  On 14/02/2011 at 09:13, John said:

That was the point I was making previously - most good manager's usually have high level advanced sophisticated coaching staff in place. I know Sparky and Sam, for example, delegated a lot of this responsibility to their backroom teams (as they had complete faith in their abilities to work with the players, improve them etc).

Our current management set up just seems an odd mix. Obviously we all want it to work out and be successful however a lot of inexperience there.

This is really what I have been saying, Sam had his pro License and so did McDonald, Sparky had it, so too did Bowen, Hitchcock and Eddie Niz so they were well equipped in the backroom team, now we are very light and the best coach of the lot is the manager, can he manage, coach, bring on young players etc. here we haver the most inexperienced manager in the league who is taking on too many roles, surely making his job all the more difficult.

Every coach/manager I know like to 'bounce' ideas off different coaches, you can get a feel for things and even learn something you didnt know.

[nicko]

  On 14/02/2011 at 09:13, John said:

That was the point I was making previously - most good manager's usually have high level advanced sophisticated coaching staff in place. I know Sparky and Sam, for example, delegated a lot of this responsibility to their backroom teams (as they had complete faith in their abilities to work with the players, improve them etc).Our current management set up just seems an odd mix. Obviously we all want it to work out and be successful however there is a lot of inexperience there.

Just for a second, stop and think what you are saying.

Sam had 'complete faith' in his backroom team.

Who was his coach again?

Steve Kean.

As for the questions about his coaching certificates...get a life.

He was doing coaching badges from the age of 25. Check with the SFA.

Some of the pathetic stuff coming out right now says a lot more about the bickerers than anything else.

[LeChuck]

  On 14/02/2011 at 10:38, nicko said:

Just for a second, stop and think what you are saying.

Sam had 'complete faith' in his backroom team.

Who was his coach again?

Steve Kean.

Right. Sam had complete faith in Steve Kean as a coach. I suspect most on here have faith in Steve Kean as a coach.

We're talking about Steve Kean as a manager, so how Sam rated him as a coach is completely irrelevant.

Edit: Actually, if we're going to use relevant Sam opinion, he said he was surprised Kean got it because he thought McDonald would have been a better choice.

[philipl]

You obviously didn't watch Steve Kean on Football Focus nicko. He looked and sounded gobsmacked by the difference between coaching and managing.

Unfortunately the SFA web site does not have a list of Scottish qualified coaches so that particular canard cannot be put to bed by seeing Steve Kean on a list of badge holders.

[chaddyrovers]

I still think Steve Kean need a experience guy on his coaching staff or just an advisor like Terry Venables or Ray Wilkins. Just somebody who he can talk to about tactics or changing tactics during a game. or how to get the best out of the players during training.

I still think he got to go back to playing 4-4-2. The diamond shape has not work in any games we have used it apart from the spurs game.

[Amo]

  On 14/02/2011 at 10:44, philipl said:

Unfortunately the SFA web site does not have a list of Scottish qualified coaches so that particular canard cannot be put to bed by seeing Steve Kean on a list of badge holders.

Shall I just talk to myself?

[John]

  On 14/02/2011 at 10:38, nicko said:

Just for a second, stop and think what you are saying.

Sam had 'complete faith' in his backroom team.

Who was his coach again?

Steve Kean.

Mark Bowen, Eddie N, Tony Strudwick, Steve Kean etc - all good COACHES!

Management is different, just ask Sammy Lee and Brian Kidd.

All I am saying is that our current management set up just seems an odd mix - think most would probably agree.

[thenodrog]

  On 14/02/2011 at 10:50, John said:

Mark Bowen, Eddie N, Tony Strudwick, Steve Kean etc - all good COACHES!

Management is different, just ask Sammy Lee and Brian Kidd.

All I am saying is that our current management set up just seems an odd mix - think most would probably agree.

Most neutrals John.

[Sparky Marky]

Kean should be replaced by Sven and Derek Faz asap.

[Majiball]

Given that ince didnn't have his badges and it was very much in the public eye, I reckon Kean must have his pro as more likely than not we have heard something about it. Don't you have to have it to manage in the league?