[Archived] Steve Kean

[nicko]

Given that ince didnn't have his badges and it was very much in the public eye, I reckon Kean must have his pro as more likely than not we have heard something about it. Don't you have to have it to manage in the league?

Kean is considered so qualified that he is actually down as a 'teacher' in the coaching ranks.

He was 'teaching' David Dunn in the early stages of his coaching badges.

This has already been written.

But feel free to ignore it.

[chaddyrovers]

Kean should be replaced by Sven and Derek Faz asap.

I wouldn't have a problem with Sven coming in has manager. But need a experience maanger in now or if we stay up. and leicester don't come up then we should approach him in the summer. Very good in PR and smiles for the camera which would be good for venkys and their pictures.

[JAL]

Kean is considered so qualified that he is actually down as a 'teacher' in the coaching ranks.

He was 'teaching' David Dunn in the early stages of his coaching badges.

This has already been written.

Thats Dunny's future knackered then

Teacher ! the saying around here goes, those who can... Do ! Those who cant... teach!

[Sparky Marky]

I wouldn't have a problem with Sven coming in has manager. But need a experience maanger in now or if we stay up. and leicester don't come up then we should approach him in the summer. Very good in PR and smiles for the camera which would be good for venkys and their pictures.

His profile sits with what Venky's want...good quality track record...record of buying well and getting results...Its a no brainer...especially as he would come with the great Derek Fazakerley....one of rovers greatest servants...

[Kelbo]

Looking at his playing and management career (per wiki) he may have obtained it in:

Scotland;

England;

Portugal;

Spain.

There is also a gap in his wiki biography from 1994-2003. The Celtic website has him serving as a youth team coach and as a head of a club (Reading? The description is not clear) academy in this period. http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Kean%2C+Steve

When at Coventry, Scolari tried to get him as an assistant at Chelsea.

And here is a clue: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20001105/ai_n13953165/ Apparently he was on the verge of getting it in 2000 and was noted as being expected to get it in 2001 (the next batch). Most online lists start as of 2002.

Apparently his legal name is Stephen Kean, or at least that was what he used early on in Scotland and Portugal.

Good find Steve, I looked everywhere for it and couldnt find it on any of the coaching sites, strange that Scotland dont have a list unlike most of the other countries.

[Amo]

So I take it no one even bothered to check the link where it specifically says Kean has his Uefa Pro License?

Thanks, anyway.

[Kelbo]

Kean is considered so qualified that he is actually down as a 'teacher' in the coaching ranks.

He was 'teaching' David Dunn in the early stages of his coaching badges.

This has already been written.

But feel free to ignore it.

Dean Grice taught me and all he had was an 'A' License!!

Glenn Keeley is assessing at UEFA B and he hasnt a pro license.

And the director of coaching for Lancashire FA is Derek Egan, great coach and he is only UEFA A and the head of the UEFA B programme in lancashire

[Majiball]

Kean is considered so qualified that he is actually down as a 'teacher' in the coaching ranks.

He was 'teaching' David Dunn in the early stages of his coaching badges.

This has already been written.

But feel free to ignore it.

'teaching' means nothing in reference to his Pro-licence. I could take my B instructors course now and be a 'teacher', however that doesn't mean I have my pro.

I was actually saying he would most likely have it, his pro-licence I mean.

But feel free to ignore that.

[rovers_rob]

Here you go.

Search for 'Steve Kean'.

Shall I just talk to myself?

So I take it no one even bothered to check the link where it specifically says Kean has his Uefa Pro License?

Thanks, anyway.

Good spot Topman.

Its quite funny you posted evidence last night and it has been completely ignored.

Anyway back on topic...has Steve Kean got a UEFA pro licence or not ??!!

[LeChuck]

Right. Sam had complete faith in Steve Kean as a coach. I suspect most on here have faith in Steve Kean as a coach.

We're talking about Steve Kean as a manager, so how Sam rated him as a coach is completely irrelevant.

Edit: Actually, if we're going to use relevant Sam opinion, he said he was surprised Kean got it because he thought McDonald would have been a better choice.

But feel free to ignore it.

Likewise.

[Veevs]

His profile sits with what Venky's want...good quality track record...record of buying well and getting results...Its a no brainer...especially as he would come with the great Derek Fazakerley....one of rovers greatest servants...

Does anyone remember what Sven did too us back in the day (97)?.. he backed out on a verbal agreement and joined lazio, a snap decision late in the summer led to woy being made manager and then as we all know we got relegated the following season.

For everyones record in regards too Sven...

1977–1978 Degerfors

1979–1982 Göteborg

1982–1984 Benfica

1984–1987 Roma

1987–1989 Fiorentina

1989–1992 Benfica

1992–1997 Sampdoria

1997–2001 Lazio

2001–2006 England

2007–2008 Manchester City

2008–2009 Mexico

2009-2010 Notts County

2010 Côte d'Ivoire

2010– Leicester City

The guy not only backed out on us but has a long history of walking out when he feels like it.

[Jimmy612]

This is a fascinating discussion about whether or not Steve Kean has the correct qualifications, but if he has or he hasn't what does it matter?

As far as i'm concerned he could have all of the qualifications in the world, being a manager is not about a piece of paper hung on the office wall.

He doesn't strike me as a leader of men.

His tactical awareness, certainly in the last two games has been very very questionable e.g. leaving an ageing right back completely alone for most of the Newcastle game, to be attacked by an excellent partnership is unbelievably bad.

Call it a conspiracy theory, but it's quite clear that he's been appointed by venkys because he's a yes-man, not because he's a 'great thinker' as Mrs D put it. And of course he was reccommended by Jerome

[Parsonblue]

Kean is considered so qualified that he is actually down as a 'teacher' in the coaching ranks.

He was 'teaching' David Dunn in the early stages of his coaching badges.

This has already been written.

But feel free to ignore it.

I don't think anyone would doubt his coaching qualifications. If he didn't have them Sam wouldn't have had him anywhere near the club. It's his managerial ability that is being increasingly questioned. There is a world of difference between the role of a coach and that of a manager. At the moment some of his decisions with regard to players, tactics and substitutions are open to question. Admittedly, he is new to the job and is on a steep learning curve. As a coach you can hide, to a certain extent, behind the manager but when you have the number one position there is nowhere to hide. Hopefully he will grow into the job but ultimately, no matter how well qualified as a coach and no matter how good he is at press conferences, it will be results that will decide his fate.

[chris]

Kean is considered so qualified that he is actually down as a 'teacher' in the coaching ranks.

He was 'teaching' David Dunn in the early stages of his coaching badges.

This has already been written.

But feel free to ignore it.

You more then anyone need Kean to do well or you'll never live down your "he a gem" after a 10 minute press conference.

Fingers crossed.

[Steve Moss]

So I take it no one even bothered to check the link where it specifically says Kean has his Uefa Pro License?

Thanks, anyway.

I'm sorry Topman. I did look at the link and did see that the Irish FA is advertising that Kean has a UEFA Pro license at page 22. I think that we all know he has it, otherwise he would not be a manager.

I interpreted the original question, however, as being when and where did he get it. As best I can determine (circumstantial evidence only) is that Kean became a UEFA Pro license holder in 2001, Scotland.

As far as i'm concerned he could have all of the qualifications in the world, being a manager is not about a piece of paper hung on the office wall.

He doesn't strike me as a leader of men.

His tactical awareness, certainly in the last two games has been very very questionable e.g. leaving an ageing right back completely alone for most of the Newcastle game, to be attacked by an excellent partnership is unbelievably bad.

^ This is the worrying thing for me.

I freely acknowledge that I may be far too pessimistic about all of this, but Kean does not inspire confidence in me. I freely acknowledge that the difference between confidence and worry came down to a mere 1 point over the last 10 matches. If Kean was averaging 1.2+ points per match (essentially converting a loss to a draw/win) I would be a lot more at ease.

From my perspective only, I'm not at ease as Kean:

1. Did not maintain (let alone improve upon) Sam's average point return, despite having [in my mind] a relatively easy run of games in which to do so.

2. Has his wins on the wrong side of the form table.

3. Has no management track record which would indicate that the squad's recent mediocre form is a mere blip and that he is capable of doing better.

4. Appears to have quieted the senior players [at least in part] with new deals, not necessarily because of his leadership ability.

5. Seems to have his wings clipped by Venkys/Kentaro based, as examples only, upon the appointment of his assistant and the allegations regarding who inherited Sam's office, etc.

Added to that, in my opinion:

1. Other than Blackpool, there is no home games that we can expect to dominate based upon historic patterns and the same holds true of our away games (as always and for which I do not blame Kean).

2. The owners have not covered themselves with glory, to date, and the resulting instability/worry causes concern which perhaps reflects unfairly on Kean.

So to date I have seen a lot of risk without a corresponding reward. In fairness, Kean could still prove us all wrong. He has not been a disaster, and the jury is still out. But when it comes to the Rovers I am risk adverse, though apparently Venkys are not. Which itself causes concern.

[CrazyIvan]

I freely acknowledge that I may be far too pessimistic about all of this, but Kean does not inspire confidence in me. I freely acknowledge that the difference between confidence and worry came down to a mere 1 point over the last 10 matches. If Kean was averaging 1.2+ points per match (essentially converting a loss to a draw/win) I would be a lot more at ease.

From my perspective only, I'm not at ease as Kean:

1. Did not maintain (let alone improve upon) Sam's average point return, despite having [in my mind] a relatively easy run of games in which to do so.

2. Has his wins on the wrong side of the form table.

3. Has no management track record which would indicate that the squad's recent mediocre form is a mere blip and that he is capable of doing better.

4. Appears to have quieted the senior players [at least in part] with new deals, not necessarily because of his leadership ability.

5. Seems to have his wings clipped by Venkys/Kentaro based, as examples only, upon the appointment of his assistant and the allegations regarding who inherited Sam's office, etc.

Added to that, in my opinion:

1. Other than Blackpool, there is no home games that we can expect to dominate based upon historic patterns and the same holds true of our away games (as always and for which I do not blame Kean).

2. The owners have not covered themselves with glory, to date, and the resulting instability/worry causes concern which perhaps reflects unfairly on Kean.

So to date I have seen a lot of risk without a corresponding reward. In fairness, Kean could still prove us all wrong. He has not been a disaster, and the jury is still out. But when it comes to the Rovers I am risk adverse, though apparently Venkys are not. Which itself causes concern.

I agree with pretty much all of this. The jury is definitely still out but the performance at the weekend, leaving Salgado horribly exposed for 65 minutes (I looked it up but was pretty sure beforehand that was the time of Emerton coming on) wasn't clever. Having said that, being forced into making two subs at half time and having a player on the pitch who should have been covering that area (Jones) still on the pitch but not doing that job at all well (he was trying to help out the very average Nzonzi) is somewhat of an excuse. Still, the formation needed changing a lot earlier. Steve Kean does not seem to be a very lucky manager either, especially when it comes down to injuries.

He doesn't fill me with confidence though.

[deftangel]

A blind man on a galloping horse can see the team was unbalanced on Saturday. Nearly every comment I've read about it has mentioned it. None of us needed UEFA licences to spot it so whether Kean does or doesn't have them should be irrelevant. (It appears that he does, anyway).

I expect we'll have good days and bad days from here on to the end of the season. He's a young inexperienced manager trying to mould the team in his own image. The specific lop sidedness hasn't been a prevalent thing during his tenure (poor substitutions on the other hand arguably have been) so it's not like he's sat on that for 10 games and not done anything about it.

I think it's fair to say he would benefit from a more experienced #2. We've been defensively awful all season and I'm not seeing Jensen having much impact in helping him out on that front.

[nicko]

You more then anyone need Kean to do well or you'll never live down your "he a gem" after a 10 minute press conference.

Fingers crossed.

I don't have any doubt that the guy will do well.

And it was after two pressers...longer than ten minutes.

I can't believe he hasn't quit after a goalless draw with Newcastle United.

It's the least he could do.

[chris]

I don't have any doubt that the guy will do well.

And it was after two pressers...longer than ten minutes.

I can't believe he hasn't quit after a goalless draw with Newcastle United.

It's the least he could do.

I didn't say I wanted him to quit if thats what you are suggesting, personally I'd rather give him until the end of the season to prove himself, although not a good start is it and I don't think much of his assistant manager track record.

Has it all to prove.

Takes more then two 15 minute pressers to convince me though.

[Sverre]

Apparently, Kean is taking the squad to Dubai for a little stay there

[nicko]

I didn't say I wanted him to quit if thats what you are suggesting, personally I'd rather give him until the end of the season to prove himself, although not a good start is it and I don't think much of his assistant manager track record.

Has it all to prove.

Takes more then two 15 minute pressers to convince me though.

Not a good start? I would say it was roughly what you would expect. Some good performances, some struggles.

The manager inherited a small and injyr-hit squad. He added to it and still has too many injuries to cope with.

His assistant manager track record is pretty good from what I can make out. Fulham did well enough, Coventry are Coventry.

Anyway, I am obviously mistake and out-of-touch when it comes to the definition of the word 'supporter' these days.

I remember hating the regimes at my club but still wanted my team to win every week.

Not sure that can be said for some around here.

[chris]

Not a good start? I would say it was roughly what you would expect. Some good performances, some struggles.

The manager inherited a small and injyr-hit squad. He added to it and still has too many injuries to cope with.

His assistant manager track record is pretty good from what I can make out. Fulham did well enough, Coventry are Coventry.

Anyway, I am obviously mistake and out-of-touch when it comes to the definition of the word 'supporter' these days.

I remember hating the regimes at my club but still wanted my team to win every week.

Not sure that can be said for some around here.

I believe he has a full squad training, now anyway.

I thought Coleman struggled at Fulham rightly got the sack, and Coventry who were 19th and Real too, sacked with Kean at all three. I know you don't want to be proved wrong but please, good record?

Anyway I'm not disagreeing he might work out, hard to call, just baffled you came out with that prediction after a presser.

[broadsword]

My honest opinion was that Fulham weren't that good under Coleman. I remember Mark Hughes taking Rovers down there once for a game, and we pummelled them. Of course, that would reflect more on Coleman than Kean.

You can't really assess a manager on anything other than what he does in the hot seat. Brian Kidd was a god-awful manager. His record as a coach was imperious. But number 2's rarely make good number one's. I don't care what languages he speaks, where he comes from, how good his press conferences are. In the end, the crowd at Ewood will deliver their verdict.

[chris]

My honest opinion was that Fulham weren't that good under Coleman. I remember Mark Hughes taking Rovers down there once for a game, and we pummelled them. Of course, that would reflect more on Coleman than Kean.

You can't really assess a manager on anything other than what he does in the hot seat. Brian Kidd was a god-awful manager. His record as a coach was imperious. But number 2's rarely make good number one's. I don't care what languages he speaks, where he comes from, how good his press conferences are. In the end, the crowd at Ewood will deliver their verdict.

I think that Kean's bad record as a assistant manager is the reason he became a first team coach, it obviously didn't work out for him, but again I think Coleman was a bad manager, so maybe Kean was unlucky there.

It would have been good to see Kean prove himself at a Championship club maybe for 5 years first, work his way into a better job.

Either way if Kean does well at Blackburn it will be the greatest achievement of his life and if Kean does horribly badly at Blackburn it will still be the greatest achieve of his life.

Win win for Kean.

[67splitscreen]

I believe he has a full squad training, now anyway.

I thought Coleman struggled at Fulham rightly got the sack, and Coventry who were 19th and Real too, sacked with Kean at all three. I know you don't want to be proved wrong but please, good record?

Anyway I'm not disagreeing he might work out, hard to call, just baffled you came out with that prediction after a presser.

All the press reports say he reigned at Sociedad after a disagreement with the president, he had considered leaving after only two months in the job.

Got me thinking in any case.

Coleman & Kean the double act.

Wiki and other site tell us the basics, who he Kean was AM too and at what club but what have the team actual done while he was AM/coach this got me thinking so a bit of research was needed.

FULHAM 02/03 14th

Coleman & Kean

Premier League only

03/04

P38 W14 D10 L14 FLP 9th

04/05

P38 W12 D8 L18 FLP 13th

05/06

P38 W14 D6 L18 FLP 12th

06/07

P38 W8 D8 L15 FLP 16TH

Fair to say it was a downward spiral. after the first season rise.

When you look at the players they had at Fulham, some might say they did OK some may think they under achieved, either way after they left Fulham spent £26m in the transfer market and finished 17th the following season.

REAL SOCIEDAD

Segunda league only

Coleman & Kean

07/08

P20 W6 D7 L 7

New Regime

P22 W10 D7 L5

Certainly improved after they left.

COVENTRY

08/09 all competitions

Previous regime

P34 W12 D10 L 12

Under Coleman & Keane Feb 09 May 09

All competitions

P19 W5 D6 L7 FLP 17th

Last ten games of the season which Kean was sacked after:

W1 D4 L5

Bye! Steve, should it have been Coleman and Kean sacked, the following season says yes.

09/10 Coleman & ??

League only

P46 W13 D15 L18 FLP 19th

Coleman Sacked.

Fair to say never really hit it off the season before they joined they finished 21st at best a slight improvement.