[Archived] Steve Kean

[rovers_rob]

Not a good start? I would say it was roughly what you would expect. Some good performances, some struggles.

The manager inherited a small and injyr-hit squad. He added to it and still has too many injuries to cope with.

His assistant manager track record is pretty good from what I can make out. Fulham did well enough, Coventry are Coventry.

Anyway, I am obviously mistake and out-of-touch when it comes to the definition of the word 'supporter' these days.

I remember hating the regimes at my club but still wanted my team to win every week.

Not sure that can be said for some around here.

I agree that it is what we would expect. I said earlier in this thread that I thought under the circumstances Kean is doing a decent job. We were in complete turmoil when Sam was sacked and i'm not sure if there are many so called experienced managers out there who could have steadied the ship like Kean has.

[chris]

excellent post 67splitscreen thanks, good to see the stats well analysed.

I agree that it is what we would expect. I said earlier in this thread that I thought under the circumstances Kean is doing a decent job. We were in complete turmoil when Sam was sacked and i'm not sure if there are many so called experienced managers out there who could have steadied the ship like Kean has.

having said that 11 points in 11 games (his record) will over the course of a season end you up relegated or 17th if lucky.

If Kean loses one more game not only will his record be worse then Paul Ince's who was sacked, he might be subject ot Boo's even.

I'm telling this "expected" record will go up in fireworks if we lose the next game.

[Balwer]

Does anyone know how to get a form table for the league from a certain date in time? Would be curious to know where we'd project to be based on Kean's tenure.

[Beta Ray Bill]

Does anyone know how to get a form table for the league from a certain date in time? Would be curious to know where we'd project to be based on Kean's tenure.

Try football365 there are loads of tables based on month, current form, average points etc.

Don't think there's a "since you dumped your previous manager" table, but you might be able to approximate

[imy9]

All the press reports say he reigned at Sociedad after a disagreement with the president, he had considered leaving after only two months in the job.

Got me thinking in any case.

Coleman & Kean the double act.

Wiki and other site tell us the basics, who he Kean was AM too and at what club but what have the team actual done while he was AM/coach this got me thinking so a bit of research was needed.

FULHAM 02/03 14th

Coleman & Kean

Premier League only

03/04

P38 W14 D10 L14 FLP 9th

04/05

P38 W12 D8 L18 FLP 13th

05/06

P38 W14 D6 L18 FLP 12th

06/07

P38 W8 D8 L15 FLP 16TH

Fair to say it was a downward spiral. after the first season rise.

When you look at the players they had at Fulham, some might say they did OK some may think they under achieved, either way after they left Fulham spent £26m in the transfer market and finished 17th the following season.

REAL SOCIEDAD

Segunda league only

Coleman & Kean

07/08

P20 W6 D7 L 7

New Regime

P22 W10 D7 L5

Certainly improved after they left.

COVENTRY

08/09 all competitions

Previous regime

P34 W12 D10 L 12

Under Coleman & Keane Feb 09 May 09

All competitions

P19 W5 D6 L7 FLP 17th

Last ten games of the season which Kean was sacked after:

W1 D4 L5

Bye! Steve, should it have been Coleman and Kean sacked, the following season says yes.

09/10 Coleman & ??

League only

P46 W13 D15 L18 FLP 19th

Coleman Sacked.

Fair to say never really hit it off the season before they joined they finished 21st at best a slight improvement.

Win loss records are interesting but dont reveal everything.. At Fulham Coleman had to sell his best players, van der Saar, Malbranque, boa morte, Saha etc, had little to no money to spend, most commentators agree that he did a very good job at Fulham. At Real after a poor start his team were on a run of one loss in 11, before he resigned.back to kean ultimately at least two Scottish premier league clubs wanted Kean as manager and Chelsea wanted him as number 2.

[chris]

Win loss records are interesting but dont reveal everything.. At Fulham Coleman had to sell his best players, van der Saar, Malbranque, boa morte, Saha etc, had little to no money to spend, most commentators agree that he did a very good job at Fulham. At Real after a poor start his team were on a run of one loss in 11, before he resigned.back to kean ultimately at least two Scottish premier league clubs wanted Kean as manager and Chelsea wanted him as number 2.

You could make Alan Ball's record look good you honestly could.

[Majiball]

Imy9's right lets judge the man on what he does when he makes the decisions not when someone else does.

I believe Real Sociedad offered him the job when Coleman walked, so he must have impressed. English coaching is not held in that high an esteem in Spain either so he must have done well.

Just out of curiosity and because it adds another aspect has anyone compared Keans 1st 10 games to Sams?

[47er]

Imy9's right lets judge the man on what he does when he makes the decisions not when someone else does.

I believe Real Sociedad offered him the job when Coleman walked, so he must have impressed. English coaching is not held in that high an esteem in Spain either so he must have done well.

Just out of curiosity and because it adds another aspect has anyone compared Keans 1st 10 games to Sams?

Don't forget we were 5 points off safety when Sam took over, not mid-table. The comparison would be useless.

[bep]

Don't forget we were 5 points off safety when Sam took over, not mid-table. The comparison would be useless.

Probably would be unfair because this is a lot harder league, this is the first time for years there is no team adrift and every point is a battle to win.

[imy9]

You could make Alan Ball's record look good you honestly could.

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics. You can manipulate stats to suit your argument, I was giving some context to the numbers but I guess I'm going to be accused of being what a Kean lover?!

I think the only comparison that can be made at this stage is a like for like results with last year, if someone could do that it would be useful.

[chris]

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics. You can manipulate stats to suit your argument, I was giving some context to the numbers but I guess I'm going to be accused of being what a Kean lover?!

I think the only comparison that can be made at this stage is a like for like results with last year, if someone could do that it would be useful.

I don't totally trust you with stats after you pulled every stat in the book to prove Sam was a bad manager against Tony Gale's Mic (if that wasn't you sorry). You were very bias, just my opinion.

I was not manipulating them stats anyway, I don't need to in order to make Kean look bad, my objective is not to make him look bad but look at the facts and our history of unexperienced managers.

And truth be told I don't care too much about the stats, I was just pulling up on Nicko's comment.

Kean should be judged on results "now" and he needs some, 11 points from 11 games, no win in 4, means he is highly at risk of some serious abuse, supporters are on the edge I thnk.

We have been here before and its got worse. Thats why its a risky appointment.

[imy9]

I don't totally trust you with stats after you pulled every stat in the book to prove Sam was a bad manager against Tony Gale's Mic (if that wasn't you sorry). You were very bias, just my opinion.

I was not manipulating them stats anyway, I don't need to in order to make Kean look bad, my objective is not to make him look bad but look at the facts and our history of unexperienced managers.

And truth be told I don't care too much about the stats, I was just pulling up on Nicko's comment.

Kean should be judged on results "now" and he needs some, 11 points from 11 games, no win in 4, means he is highly at risk of some serious abuse, supporters are on the edge I thnk.

We have been here before and its got worse. Thats why its a risky appointment.

Sam was a top manager for us, no doubt- have been consistent on this point. I was merely adding to what you had posted, things are not black and White in football I think our two differing views on the same thing highlight this, long may it continue.

On Kean I dont think he should be judged after 12 games, as said after he has had a chance to work with the players on the training ground for an extended period of time we can judge him more fairly, also means his signings can bed into the team.

[chris]

yeah I agree with all of that so don't have a come back

[DE.]

The issue I have at the moment with Kean is that he seems slow on the tactical uptake.

Our biggest problems - pretty much since he took over and implemented this diamond midfield formation - is that it's left massive holes in central midfield (as if we needed that) and exposed our full backs. Givet/Olsson can handle it to an extent as we seem to play more toward the left hand side of the pitch anyway, but poor old Salgado is being left for dead over on the other side. This was no more apparent than the Newcastle game, where he was afforded little cover from any other Rovers player and as a result struggled hugely.

Despite these problems being somewhat obvious, Kean hasn't addressed them in any way. It's almost like he's just hoping they will eventually stop being issues, and that it is the player's fault rather than the system's.

Hopefully the next two weeks will give Kean time to really sit down and work out the flaws in his style of play. I'm very much willing to give him a chance, but if we line up in our next match with Dunn at the tip of a diamond and Salgado on the right hand side with MGP/Hoilett in front of him...

[Miker]

On Kean I dont think he should be judged after 12 games, as said after he has had a chance to work with the players on the training ground for an extended period of time we can judge him more fairly, also means his signings can bed into the team.

He's had the opportunity to work with the players on the training ground for over 2 years now, surely nothing new for him.

The biggest concern with Kean is the performances we've seen on the pitch and his comments to the press in regards to the team. There's constant talk of playing pretty football, but what we really need and all I want is for the team to be competitive. With the exception of a couple of games, I don't feel we are being competitive at all under Kean. We are going out trying to play good football and score lots of goals, but I see very little evidence of Kean setting up his team to actually stop the opposition and compete effectively with them all over the pitch. Unfortunately, I feel this stance is a disaster waiting to happen because we've seen what happens when we come across more organised teams like Sunderland or Stoke.

All teams need to do is stop us playing the ball into forward positions and we are virtually screwed because we seem to be devoid of any defensive plan, so are left badly exposed at the back.

[Amo]

Having Givet back would be a good start. I think we've come to underestimate his part in the team.

[Jimmy612]

Judging Kean as an assistant manager is fairly pointless in my opinion.

I would suggest that Brian Kidd would have had a superb record as an assistant manager, didnt do us much good did it

[Majiball]

Don't forget we were 5 points off safety when Sam took over, not mid-table. The comparison would be useless.

I'll decide what I consider useless and the such, thanks.

Were you not drawing comaprsions the other day between Keans matches in charge and Sams? So I could take your insightful comments and apply them to your previous posts. If anything the initial 10 games of both regimes have far more contrastable points than Sam's 17 games to Keans 10 and then using math to fill in the blanks.

If you can come up with suggest a reason why it's useless I'll listen, until then?

[Sparky Marky]

I'd be the first in line for the "Kean Out" possee... We deserve a bigger and better manager right now...for the first time in donkeys years we can spend a bit of money and it's this guy that's spending it..??? Sven is the man.

[chris]

I'd be the first in line for the "Kean Out" possee... We deserve a bigger and better manager right now...for the first time in donkeys years we can spend a bit of money and it's this guy that's spending it..??? Sven is the man.

is he? I not even sure he selects the transfer targets

:!:

[47er]

I'll decide what I consider useless and the such, thanks.

Were you not drawing comaprsions the other day between Keans matches in charge and Sams? So I could take your insightful comments and apply them to your previous posts. If anything the initial 10 games of both regimes have far more contrastable points than Sam's 17 games to Keans 10 and then using math to fill in the blanks.

If you can come up with suggest a reason why it's useless I'll listen, until then?

My my what a little charmer. You've quoted the reason! The comparison you were making is flawed because Sam took over a team deep in relegation trouble, next to bottom and 5 points from safety.

By comparison, Kean took over a side that was comfortably above the relegation zone with a promising set of fixtures to come. Logically, Kean should have done better than Allardyce in his first 10 fixtures but did worse. He even did worse than Ince.

Is that clear enough for you?

[broadsword]

Alright clever clogs, how many languages could Sam speak, eh?!

[47er]

Alright clever clogs, how many languages could Sam speak, eh?!

Dunno but he did a good "presser"! Didn't put the hours in though!

[mark]

I'd be the first in line for the "Kean Out" possee...

to you and all other members of the posse, remember that steve kean has improved our league standings. sam left us in 13th, we are now 11th. so long as we're not in prolonged and serious danger of being relegated then at least let the man get comfortable in his seat before calling or his head.

[JAL]

We deserve a bigger and better manager right now...for the first time in donkeys years we can spend a bit of money and it's this guy that's spending it..??? Sven is the man.

Is the clue here 'donkey' in the form of a coach promoted on the back of an advisors personal commision fee.

Splitscreens post highlights the guys poor CV so how on earth was this man ever appointed to lead the great Blackburn Rovers ?

My how standards have dropped at the club in such a short space of time.

as the crowd yelled... WE WANT A MANAGER.