[Archived] Steve Kean

[BangkokRover]

how does Keans record compare the Ince and Brian Kidd now?

I don't want to even think about that. Jesus we were very poor under Kidd

[greco]

so 12 games and 10 points, gives us roughly 32 points a season, if stevie wonder, was in charge for a season.

now someone answer me this, how can the astute, well planned, exceptionally thinking manager, with an audacious aura of positivity, come to the conclusion, that the team fielded today, would get anything..? And furthermore, with a small investment, challenge for europe/top 6 next season..?

seriously, im really beginning to question the mans iq, you just cant say those thing and be normal, can you..?

[PAFELL]

Looks like Kean is going to be sacked...same thing happened to Big Sam after a shocking match!

Vey very surprised if that happens. Although it should happen.

[Tom]

Kean may turn it around in time but should he be given that time? I'm not so sure.

If he goes I wont be sad put it that way, the main thing is this club and keeping it in the premiership.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Let's be honest things haven't been rosy at the club for a long time. What we are seeing is years of under investment and our best players being sold which has resulted in having a very poor squad. When you combine that with poor management decisions (bringing in Ince, sacking Sam before hopefully survival had been ensured and not bringing in a suitable replacement) it was inevitable in my view we were going to come to a situation like this.

[BRFC1995]

wake up venkys, sack him NOW..........pissing your investment away rapidly with this dope in charge

[sweet]

12 goals conceeded in the last 5 games. 5 scored. Tells the story.

[Mc Love]

I am with you TCO - i dont think he should be given time. He is clearly not up to the job and is obviously a YES man, which is what Venkys want, yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir!

[Kelbo]

Let's be honest things haven't been rosy at the club for a long time. What we are seeing is years of under investment and our best players being sold which has resulted in having a very poor squad. When you combine that with poor management decisions (bringing in Ince, sacking Sam before hopefully survival had been ensured and not bringing in a suitable replacement) it was inevitable in my view we were going to come to a situation like this.

Sorry, what we are seeing is poor management throughout the club!!

[DE.]

Let's be honest things haven't been rosy at the club for a long time. What we are seeing is years of under investment and our best players being sold which has resulted in a very poor squad. When you combine that with poor management decisions (bringing in Ince, sacking Sam before hopefuly survival had been ensured) it was inevitable in my view we were going to come to a situation like this.

Under our old management (not owners, but management) we would have been okay. Allardyce had the ability to keep us in the league and the Trust would have invested enough (very little, but just about enough) to at least keep us in the league for the next few years.

Unfortunately the Trust wanted rid, have thrown us to the wolves and are now watching our club get torn apart. Sacking Allardyce was the biggest mistake, but there have been plenty of others along the way. Venky's have themselves to blame for this scenario, if they'd left well enough alone and given us some decent investment we'd probably be chugging along in the top half of the table right now with some irrelevant complaints about football "style" floating about.

Instead we're in utter freefall with a clueless manager and a squad which seems to have lost all belief in their ability. This is a situation of their own making, and we're all going to suffer as a result.

[Bobby G]

With all due respect, years of underinvestment is one thing, but the club was sold in a stable condition with a management and chairmanship that had kept this business model more than stable and performing well. At that point, any half-decent business mind would know you dont need to mess with the infrastructure too drastically even if you want to make changes. They have to be held accountable for their ludicrous actions.

I dont think they will sack Kean though. He isnt the future. The sooner he leaves the better and I dont give a damn if we wollop Fulham next week either. He is tactically naive.

[RovertheHill]

How many games has Kean had now? It feels like he's had enough to be seeing an improvement - however we appear to be getting worse

[Bobby G]

Kean has had more than enough to show what he can do. If some things were not coming off Id understand. However, he is very naive tactically and some of the basics of football are costing us right now. Those are things that you either see or you dont, and it doesnt matter whether its after 1 match or 100 matches. Consider this as fact.

[47er]

You never know they might do. But Kean wasn't responsible for Andrews mistake or the own goal. The players have still to do their part and this is what they are not doing.

When are you going to wake up?

[Ricky]

Kean was in the fortunate position of taking a team on who were comfortable in mid table. He also had a run of fixtures which appeared to be fairly nice on paper.

I know it's easy to say 'what would have been' but it's pretty clear that we wouldn't be in our current positon if Sam had remained in charge.

The players look confused and the formations and tactics are confusing to all of us.

Time for Mr Kean to accept that he is a very good coach and time for us to get a MANAGER in charge of the team. If Venky's want to stick to their word of not sacking him then bring in someone above him. He would probably welcome the input as he looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights at the moment.

When we decided to make a change we should have looked at getting a manager into the post, once that didnt happen then we should have kept Kean on a short term contract. Giving him a 2 1/2 year contract was a farcical decision.

We're in a relegation scrap, make no mistake!!

[Mc Love]

This rates up there with Ince as manager!

[Bobby G]

Ive seen performances just as bad as under Ince too. Ive been saying it for weeks to some of my friends. He also resembles the rabbit figure Ince showed on the touchline. Expect you felt a little sorry for Ince. I have no sympathy for Kean though.

[BRFC1995]

This rates up there with Ince as manager!

ince was something like 13pts from 17 games

kean is 10pts from 12 games..................cannot for the life of me see where the next 3pts are coming from, at best kean is on a par with inces woefulness.

is this a pattern appoint a stable manager hughes, appoint a clown ince, stable allardyce, clown kean

[Bobby G]

3 wins out of the last 10 to keep us safe. At this rate, it wont come around.

Damn the people who did this to our club.

[John]

The players look unsure what to do tactics wise - lot of arguing today amongst players. I need time to reflect but I am worried.

[jumpin']

You don't get a trolley dolly to fly a jumbo. JA does.

[67splitscreen]

No doubt the sports journalist will be blaming our current failings under Kean on the squad and lack of investment by the trust.

Talks the talk but trips over his own shoes when doing the walk.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Does Kean deserve some of the blame? Yes.

Do the current owners deserve some of the blame? Yes.

Do the players deserve some of the blame? Yes.

Don't be fooled though that everything was fine and dandy before either the owners came in or Sam was sacked. Many posters, Den iirc was one of the most vocal ones (Den feel free to point out if I am talking about someone else) when it came to letting the likes of Bentley and Santa Cruz go and then only having a fraction of the money recieved wasted on unsuitable replacements.

I don't see how anyone cannot say we have one of the worst squads in the league. In midfield in particular I can't think of a side with a worse midfield. West Ham in my opinion have a better one as do Wolves and West Brom.

On the issue of whether keeping Sam would mean that we wouldn't be in trouble right now, I think thats hard to say. Sure he had a decent record when it came to keeping sides up but this season felt different. For one thing I don't think there are a clear 'these are the three worst sides in the league', the first time that has been said for a number of years. Would Sam have 100% kept us up this season? I can't say for sure, I think we would have struggled to stay up more this season than we did last season.

This thread has probably gone off on a bit of a tangent, but I just had to point out there are multiple factors in my opinion that have lead to this point.

On Kean, I would give him the Fulham game. If he loses that he has to go, if the owners decide he has to go before then fair enough.

[Mattyblue]

The way the league is this season there is no doubt Sam would have had us looking up to 8th- 10th. Indeed his last two games were a comfortable win over Wolves and a narrow away defeat at Bolton, a game that was closely contested with a a club that we would have been around in the table come May.

Now, we look to be in freefall, how on earth anyone can say that Sam was not keeping us comfortable DESPITE a chronic lack of investment is beyond me.

[chaddyrovers]

The way the league is this season there is no doubt Sam would have had us looking up to 8th- 10th. Indeed his last two games were a comfortable win over Wolves and a narrow away defeat at Bolton, a game that was closely contested with a a club that we would have been around in the table come May.

Now, we look to be in freefall, how on earth anyone can say that Sam was not keeping us comfortable DESPITE a chronic lack of investment is beyond me.

I couldn't agree more matty. If Big Sam was allow to buy in January and with the 5 million pounds, He would have got a couple of good players in. He knew we needed abit more creatively in midfield and another quality striker.

I think BS would have got us in the top half and possible pushing on for a european place. Maybe the football wasn't great but Results is what matter at the end of the day and keeps you in the league not performances.

Hope all of the Big Sam haters are happy now. This just reminds me of the Paul Ince reign all over again. good start then we are going worst with each game.

In the last 6 games we have just collect 4 points. this is relegation form!

Where were Rovers when Big Sam was sacked???