[Archived] Steve Kean

[BPF]

No but under the Walkers we couldn't even get any free transfers in so we would have been relegated eventually anyway

But relegation would not have resulted in the complete dissolving of the club.

Don't even consider relegation, it's too scary.

[rebelmswar]

But relegation would not have resulted in the complete dissolving of the club.

Don't even consider relegation, it's too scary.

Now just tell me I have cancer of the penis and round off my day.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Now for the really crazy part...

It's got so crazy that certain members of the trust want us back...

We were facing a slow and drawn out death under the trust (one could argue we may face a quicker one under our new owners). Even if their interest picked up and they made a bid for the club i'm not sure I would want to see them back.

[S15]

This is getting more unrealistic than an episode of 'Dream Team.' What are the chances of the Walkers buying us back if we get relegated?

[Steve Moss]

3. I have it off about eight sources that Claudio Ranieri has said that if he was offered the job, he'd take it.

4. They are looking to get rid of Kean, It will take something special tomorrow to save him.

In my opinion, Kean needs to go. And Ranieri is good enough for me and far better than most.

IMO, there is only one man who can save the day for Venkys.

Huge load of humble pie to be eaten but that's Sam - either short term or long term. He knows the scene inside out and would have immediate impact.

. . .

Speculation is that Fred & Howard Walker are driving this.

Despite being agianst his sacking, I would also be against bringing him back. His smugness would be insufferable and there are plenty of other fish in the sea, in my opinion.

Do the Walkers have legal grounds to reclaim the club? Have Venkys breached any substantial promise? Or are they merely desperate to unload the club, perhaps at a loss?

Ideally, Venkys and the Trust would form a temporary partnership. The Trust, via JW, could provide footballing advice for the next couple of years. Venkys would put in the cash and get the advertisement they need all the while learning the ropes of the PL.

Alternatively, Venkys could start listening to the long time employees, like Finn. Which is what should have happened in the first place.

[broadsword]

Ideally, Venkys and the Trust would form a temporary partnership. The Trust, via JW, could provide footballing advice for the next couple of years. Venkys would put in the cash and get the advertisement they need all the while learning the ropes of the PL.

Alternatively, Venkys could start listening to the long time employees, like Finn. Which is what should have happened in the first place.

But according to rumour, Venky's don't have any cash to put in and the club is being run on debt.

If that is the case, we need Venky's out as soon as possible. Forget getting rid of Kean, he's just a symptom. We need the cause removed. And that is Venky's, no idea, no cash***, no chance. You are the weakest link, goodbye.

*** Allegedly.

[roverwhelmed]

Loving the possibility of the Walkers buying Rovers back, best news for weeks I reckon.

[Mercer]

Loving the possibility of the Walkers buying Rovers back, best news for weeks I reckon.

Fred is a hard-nosed business man who makes every penny count. If this happens, you can bet your bottom dollar that Venkys will be walking away with huge losses and will need to look at it as half a loaf is better than.............

[jim mk2]

We were facing a slow and drawn out death under the trust (one could argue we may face a quicker one under our new owners). Even if their interest picked up and they made a bid for the club i'm not sure I would want to see them back.

From a financial viewpoint maybe not but at least the Walkers might make the correct football decisions. If Venky's really want to win the supporters trust and backing they should after the inevitable defeat at Fulham ask Sam Allardyce to come back. They would get a loud round of applause from supporters and the club would be safe from relegation. The situation could then be reviewed in the summer.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Topman,

You do have a point. A solid 2-0 victory on Saturday will have this board all doubting themselves again. It is one of the most fickle places on the internet. Sadly, I cannot see the above event coming true. I'm just praying with every ounce of my being that we survive this season but changes MUST take place at the end of the season.

I desperately want to leave England with Rovers in the Premiership.

I don't know why - maybe the inspiring interview by Stevie on Radio Lancs - or maybe because Fulham has been a good ground for us in times of crisis - I just have a good feeling that we will get a result.

Of course this will probably lead to a major downer come 5 o'clock Saturday - but hope springs eternal. Though the cat is looking worried

[LeChuck]

You do have a point. A solid 2-0 victory on Saturday will have this board all doubting themselves again.

Honestly, as with Ince at this stage, I'm beyond doubt now.

I think the worst result for Rovers could be a scrappy win we don't deserve. i.e. a lucky result that keeps Kean in the job, but doesn't do enough to suggest we can stay up. Perhaps a resounding defeat would be bad for one game, but if it means he leaves then it could lead to survival long term.

Having said that, when I was thinking that about Ince we were before Christmas with plenty of time to rectify it. It's hard to think that at this stage when every game counts, I'm not sure I'd sacrifice 3 points at this stage.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

From a financial viewpoint maybe not but at least the Walkers might make the correct football decisions. If Venky's really want to win the supporters trust and backing they should after the inevitable defeat at Fulham ask Sam Allardyce to come back. They would get a loud round of applause from supporters and the club would be safe from relegation. The situation could then be reviewed in the summer.

Sorry - Sam would be like taking one step forward and two steps back. He probably would safe us from relegation - but where would we go from there ? Time for the Venky's to put their money where their mouths are and bring in an experienced quality manager IF we get beat on Saturday (for some reason not convinced we will - wow really goona be depressed on Saturday - COB )

[broadsword]

Sam wanted to go in the summer anyway, but maybe he could be persuaded to come back for a fire-fighting job.

Got to be better than having the bollock brothers stood helplessly on the sidelines as we get spanked once again.

[Steve Moss]

Sam wanted to go in the summer anyway, but maybe he could be persuaded to come back for a fire-fighting job.

I like the idea of getting Sam back until the end of the season. He keeps us up and his reputation as a man who can save the day will be further enhanced. And gives the owners a chance to look around and lay plans over the summer.

[chaddyrovers]

Maybe the owners should have listen to JW and the rovers board and NOT JA. They should never have sacked Big Sam and espically when they didn't have a proven PL league manager line up. And not replace him with a coach. But they was listening to advise that they were given.

Also would be interest if Fred and Howard Walker was to buy rovers back or at least 50 percentage of the club. Also reading the JA thread, some interest posts.

maybe we are going to get our club back!!!

[LeChuck]

I like the idea of getting Sam back until the end of the season. He keeps us up and his reputation as a man who can save the day will be further enhanced. And gives the owners a chance to look around and lay plans over the summer.

He's a proud man with an ego to match his physical stature, no chance he'd come back. If he came back and kept us up it wouldn't do anything for him, leading a team in 14th position to survival wouldn't enhance anything already on his CV. It probably wouldn't even be recognised outside of our club.

We would have to look beyond him, and be realistic. Curbishley? Someone like him; experienced at keeping sides in the PL. Offer a 3 month contract until the end of the season, with the promise of reviewing it if we stay up.

I'm not keen on Souness given that his response to our relegation plight in his reign was a midfield diamond with Jonathan Douglas/Andresen in midfield. I'd take Souness Mk1 though.

[rebelmswar]

Oh to turn the clocks back.

If anyone mentions Shearer at this junction I will travel to their house, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Hank Williams Jr B sides for a friggen week.

[roverwhelmed]

Maybe the owners should have listen to JW and the rovers board and NOT JA. They should never have sacked Big Sam and espically when they didn't have a proven PL league manager line up. And not replace him with a coach. But they was listening to advise that they were given.

Also would be interest if Fred and Howard Walker was to buy rovers back or at least 50 percentage of the club. Also reading the JA thread, some interest posts.

maybe we are going to get our club back!!!

The thought of that is just immensely exciting

[67splitscreen]

Thinking back to what JW said this week, "change is conatant" "looking forward to coming back to Ewood soon" Fred, Howard, I wonder if there really is something in all of this.

[LeChuck]

Oh to turn the clocks back.

If anyone mentions Shearer at this junction I will travel to their house, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Hank Williams Jr B sides for a friggen week.

I almost wrote him in my post! I was going to qualify it with "...alongside an experienced assistant, like Ray Wilkins or Chris Houghton".

I decided against given that his stint at Newcastle showed that god-like presence alone won't guarantee survival.

[philipl]

A possible scenario and I am not the author

- A sister has gone very hands on and in fact jumped on a plane

- She recognises that the situation is so serious that there can be no time gap between bye bye SK and hello X (I don't know who X is)

- Anybody who is X will want people he can trust on his staff. Now if you were X, would you trust S (jump on a plane to Pune) K?

[roverwhelmed]

I almost wrote him in my post! I was going to qualify it with "...alongside an experienced assistant, like Ray Wilkins or Chris Houghton".

I decided against given that his stint at Newcastle showed that god-like presence alone won't guarantee survival.

Noo we can't have Shearer. He said he wanted us to go down two years ago.

Also, when my parents met the team by chance (wearing Rovers scarfs) in Red Square in Russia (before the Spartak Moscow game), he turned away and refused to even say hello.

He can sod right off in my book, although I LOVED him way back when.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

But relegation would not have resulted in the complete dissolving of the club.

Don't even consider relegation, it's too scary.

Are we financially in THAT much trouble if we go down?

I know we're forking out silly money for Roque & Jones - and then there's the comp for Allardyce and Williams. Both the loanees will be off the books by summer.

If we drop we would more than likely sell the likes of Samba, Robinson and Jones which would surely go some way to setting off a decent chunk of debt. I suppose the ideal scenario then would be Rejuvenated Walkers picking the club up again on the cheap, bringing back JW and give the youngsters a crack at getting us back in the prem. By far the best of a worst case scenario.

As someone who's been reasonably in the loop BPF, do the Venkys not have the finances to stand a year in the Championship?

Must say that Ranieri would be a massive coup given our current predicament.

[LeChuck]

A possible scenario

- A sister has gone very hands on and in fact jumped on a plane

- She recognises that the situation is so serious that there can be no time gap between bye bye SK and hello X (I don't know who X is)

- Anybody who is X will want people he can trust on his staff. Now if you were X, would you trust S (jump on a plane to Pune) K?

If you are hinting at something there Phil, that conundrum would certainly top the Mr. X transfer discussion.

It's not Luca Toni, is it?

[Steve Moss]

Noo we can't have Shearer. He said he wanted us to go down two years ago.

Also, when my parents met the team by chance (wearing Rovers scarfs) in Red Square in Russia (before the Spartak Moscow game), he turned away and refused to even say hello.

He can sod right off in my book, although I LOVED him way back when.

Shearer is not the man for the Rovers.

I'm sometimes baffled by how those who acheived great things at the Rovers,such as Dalglish and Shearer, speak of the club.