[Archived] Transfer Window Part 2

[steo]

Villa apparently making a £7 mil bid for jean makoun,we should be all over this,he's a very good player.

was the gabi millito stuff nonsense?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Such as? Asset stripping (selling all our best players) in order to maximize profit, and then selling the club?

That would have never happened under the Trust. Oh....

[RevidgeBlue]

That would have never happened under the Trust. Oh....

Exactly, I don't think I've ever seen so much guff on the m/b on one day on the basis of nothing actually happening one way or the other.

Even if the figure mentioned by BPF were correct then that would be still 2m + wages more than it would have been under the previous

regime. I very much doubt it is correct otherwise Kean wouldn't have been apparently scurrying about after his reported targets, nor would the new owners have been talking about offering Ronaldinho very specific figures by way of wages far in excess of that. No matter how daft some people on here seemingly consider them to be.

How much money do we have to spend? Who knows? It's only the 8th of January (just). We'll probably only be a bit wiser on that score on February 1st. The only sort of official indication so far has come from Steve Kean when he said he "thought" the figure was "a minimum" of "5m for the next four transfer windows".

In the meantime, all the people who were upset by Sam's sacking are hopping up and down claiming that because we're 7 days into the window and haven't spent any money that's somehow conclusive proof that the Rao's are relatively skint. What nonsense! Sorry to keep picking on philipl but he claims for example that today's transfer news is "gloomy". If the Walkers were still in charge he'd be pointing at the date and asking how many other transfers have gone through in the PL so far. It's all a question of how you spin events to suit your own personal agenda.

We've spent about seven years not seven days waiting for the previous qwners to spend any net transfer cash. And we'd still be waiting!

[blue/white]

I hope Bentley enjoys his Champions Leag....oh wait

Maybe he meant 'Championship'...

in which case he wouldn't half be wrong, eh?

Rovers' haven't cocked this one up, 'Bent'ley is still a prat.

[RevidgeBlue]

I have a lot of time for BPF and I don't doubt the sincerity of his posting.

I do wonder about who is putting this latest 'line' out.

There have been many similar downbeat tales and certain suspicions about where they are coming from.

If it ever came to light that someone was trying to mix it there would surely be some severe consequences.

Very interesting post.

I have been wondering much the same myself about a number of stories which found their way into the LT post takeover and portrayed the new owners in a potentially negative light. The source for which could presumably only have been from somewhere within the Club.

For the avoidance of doubt and in defence of BPF whose info has been spot on recently I took your post to mean that you meant absolutely no criticism whatsoever of BPF, nor any doubt that he has actually heard a scare story of the budget only being 2m + wages.

[blue/white]

It worries me when we're linked to South Americans who are in their late 20s who have never played in Europe. I've never heard of this guy but I can't help but wonder that if he was any good, he would be playing for a bigger team in Europe at a much earlier age.

Anyone know much about him?

IIRC, Victorino was Uruguay's LB, he had himself a solid world cup. In the 'Charrua' mold, he's a solid defender, not great on the ball ---but scrappy as all hell. The fact that no body's rushed to sign him up after Uruguay's decent WC2010 showing demonstrates that are better players at his position about-- so, in a word: no great shakes.

[Fraserkirky]

IIRC, Victorino was Uruguay's LB, he had himself a solid world cup. In the 'Charrua' mold, he's a solid defender, not great on the ball ---but scrappy as all hell. The fact that no body's rushed to sign him up after Uruguay's decent WC2010 showing demonstrates that are better players at his position about-- so, in a word: no great shakes.

To be honest that lad victorino stuck out like a sore thunb in a good uruguay team. Thought he was excellent, wouldn't mind him here at all

[Paul]

I love Blackburn Rovers, like you do. Please do not stop supporting them.

I haven't and won't. This isn't the thread to discuss this but I feel the point has to be made to Venky's that supporters deserve respect. That's all. I wouldn't call for a boycott, I'm just making my own statement. I won't be missing another game.

[Paul]

From all the duckin and divin you wonder if Vennkys had a buyer lined up for Jones in December and thought that money would give us a decent kitty for January. When he got injured that plan hit the wall...

Kerching.........do I hear the sound of pennies dropping? It is my belief this was going to happen. It's not something I dreamt up or a random thought process.

Then our next most saleable asset wants to leave (Samba). Despite being told we would have players in early, we still haven't made any bids.

I'm getting suspicious that we are waiting for a decent bid for Samba then that money will be freed up for transfers...

I hadn't considered that but it makes sense to me.

I recall when Mrs Desai was asked if she understood how much it costs to own a football club her reply was on the lines of "it's not so expensive." one can interpret this in several ways.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Kerching.........do I hear the sound of pennies dropping? It is my belief this was going to happen. It's not something I dreamt up or a random thought process.

I hadn't considered that but it makes sense to me.

I recall when Mrs Desai was asked if she understood how much it costs to own a football club her reply was on the lines of "it's not so expensive." one can interpret this in several ways.

Without trawling through 24 hours of posts I get the impression that BPF, a generally reliable source, has posted that there is little money in the transfer kitty. I also get the impression that you and other doom mongers and nay sayers have taken this as your cue to pile in again. It's almost as if you cant wait for a hint of bad news and sieze on any scrap of it with suspicious enthusiasm disguised as hand wringing concern.

I stand to be corrected but you dont seem to be on here much when a more reliable source, Alan Nixon, tells us that talk of a £5m kitty is nonsence. Almost as if you are disapointed and not unlike Jim mk2 and Phillipl's disapearing act post Liverpool.

Personally, I havn't made up my mind about our new owners and have been worried and enthused in almost equal measure. I do want them to succeed though seemingly unlike yourself and a number of others. I certainly see no point in constant doom and scare mongering. What do you think you are achieving? You seem totally incapable of seeing what might happen regarding this takeover and made up your mind long ago.

You and your ilk are the ones whose posts are exclusively agenda driven and making the forum difficult to read at times. How can a poster have any credibility when their posts are so blatantly driven by agendas?

I certainly wont pretend to speak for others but I do believe that a significant proportion of posters/readers of this forum will, like me, find your posts intensly irritating.

[Lancs Rover]

I have just found a tiny piece of fluff in my navel.

Oh no I haven't. Mistake.

[bellamy11]

Without trawling through 24 hours of posts I get the impression that BPF, a generally reliable source, has posted that there is little money in the transfer kitty. I also get the impression that you and other doom mongers and nay sayers have taken this as your cue to pile in again. It's almost as if you cant wait for a hint of bad news and sieze on any scrap of it with suspicious enthusiasm disguised as hand wringing concern.

I stand to be corrected but you dont seem to be on here much when a more reliable source, Alan Nixon, tells us that talk of a £5m kitty is nonsence. Almost as if you are disapointed and not unlike Jim mk2 and Phillipl's disapearing act post Liverpool.

Personally, I havn't made up my mind about our new owners and have been worried and enthused in almost equal measure. I do want them to succeed though seemingly unlike yourself and a number of others. I certainly see no point in constant doom and scare mongering. What do you think you are achieving? You seem totally incapable of seeing what might happen regarding this takeover and made up your mind long ago.

You and your ilk are the ones whose posts are exclusively agenda driven and making the forum difficult to read at times. How can a poster have any credibility when their posts are so blatantly driven by agendas?

I certainly wont pretend to speak for others but I do believe that a significant proportion of posters/readers of this forum will, like me, find your posts intensly irritating.

You're bang out of order if you think Paul has any sort of 'agenda' other than caring passionately about this club.

And on the topic of the forum being difficult to read - I'd far rather hear what Paul has to say than wade through your characteristically abrasive posts.

[accyrover]

My heart bleeds...

Most of them moved for the money, you can't then expect them to come and rough it in midtable for less cash if they might get their knees dirty. They'll end up rotting in the reserves until their contract runs out, which is probably what they deserve.

Best post of the day. Well said Sir !

[Bobby G]

Victorino was the left sided center back and NOT the left back.

[MeanGreenMachine]

I seem to recall this chap at left back

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81lvaro_Pereira Álvaro Pereira plays for porto.

The player who really impressed for Uruguay was the defensive midfielder Diego Perez, he really strong in the tackle and a real battler.

[greco]

You're bang out of order if you think Paul has any sort of 'agenda' other than caring passionately about this club.

And on the topic of the forum being difficult to read - I'd far rather hear what Paul has to say than wade through your characteristically abrasive posts.

totally agree, and ill ad, that its far more irritating, to the read the posts, where someone is continually calling other poesters agenda-driven or scaremongering. Thats a sign of a person, who doesnt have any other arguments to present and who desperately want to dismiss others point of view, in the weakest way possible.

Some see the positives, others take the middle ground and some are nervous about the situation and that is the beauty of a messageboard.

regarding tranfers, im not that worried, as our position in the league is fine. I hoped, that the kentaro/sem link, would have helped us, being more prepared for the window, but accept, that the firing of sam and hiring of kean, probably has delayed the process a bit. But really, i prefer the club, given our league position, takes its time and does its business wisely.

[USABlue]

Kerching.........do I hear the sound of pennies dropping? It is my belief this was going to happen. It's not something I dreamt up or a random thought process.

That was actually my very first thought when I heard Kean did not have him in the line up for his first game in charge.

[Alan75]

Without trawling through 24 hours of posts I get the impression that BPF, a generally reliable source, has posted that there is little money in the transfer kitty. I also get the impression that you and other doom mongers and nay sayers have taken this as your cue to pile in again. It's almost as if you cant wait for a hint of bad news and sieze on any scrap of it with suspicious enthusiasm disguised as hand wringing concern.

I stand to be corrected but you dont seem to be on here much when a more reliable source, Alan Nixon, tells us that talk of a £5m kitty is nonsence. Almost as if you are disapointed and not unlike Jim mk2 and Phillipl's disapearing act post Liverpool.

Personally, I havn't made up my mind about our new owners and have been worried and enthused in almost equal measure. I do want them to succeed though seemingly unlike yourself and a number of others. I certainly see no point in constant doom and scare mongering. What do you think you are achieving? You seem totally incapable of seeing what might happen regarding this takeover and made up your mind long ago.

You and your ilk are the ones whose posts are exclusively agenda driven and making the forum difficult to read at times. How can a poster have any credibility when their posts are so blatantly driven by agendas?

I certainly wont pretend to speak for others but I do believe that a significant proportion of posters/readers of this forum will, like me, find your posts intensly irritating.

Well dont include me in that last comment.

There is no real need for me to defend Paul, he is articulate enough to defend himself. However if you knew Paul you would know that he is one of the most ardent and dedicated Rover supporter.

You have admitted yourself that you have not trawled back through Pauls posts, well have the decent curtesy to spend some time reading his posts as far back as possible before you come out with your critisism, of someone who has bought season tickets for himself and three lads as far back as I can remember.

[Kelbo]

Well dont include me in that last comment.

There is no real need for me to defend Paul, he is articulate enough to defend himself. However if you knew Paul you would know that he is one of the most ardent and dedicated Rover supporter.

You have admitted yourself that you have not trawled back through Pauls posts, well have the decent curtesy to spend some time reading his posts as far back as possible before you come out with your critisism, of someone who has bought season tickets for himself and three lads as far back as I can remember.

I would agree with that one Alan 100%

We are all Rovers supporters and want the best for our club, thousands of supporters (yes thousands) are extremely nervous about our club at the moment, not because there are any agendas, problems have been created by Venkys themselves and the three owners, not because they are Indian, not because they may or may not have too much money to invest, simply that there are ever changing statements and denials that a previous comment was never made, this is where the problem is.

Finally, we have a Hammers fan on here, we mentioned the 'porn brothers' at West Ham, his answer was 'you cant talk about anyones owners' - did he have an agenda? no, his perception is unbiased and how other clubs see us, just as for years we on here have berated Newcastle United.

[Paul]

Without trawling through 24 hours of posts I get the impression that BPF, a generally reliable source, has posted that there is little money in the transfer kitty. I also get the impression that you and other doom mongers and nay sayers have taken this as your cue to pile in again. It's almost as if you cant wait for a hint of bad news and sieze on any scrap of it with suspicious enthusiasm disguised as hand wringing concern.

I stand to be corrected but you dont seem to be on here much when a more reliable source, Alan Nixon, tells us that talk of a £5m kitty is nonsence. Almost as if you are disapointed and not unlike Jim mk2 and Phillipl's disapearing act post Liverpool.

Personally, I havn't made up my mind about our new owners and have been worried and enthused in almost equal measure. I do want them to succeed though seemingly unlike yourself and a number of others. I certainly see no point in constant doom and scare mongering. What do you think you are achieving? You seem totally incapable of seeing what might happen regarding this takeover and made up your mind long ago.

You and your ilk are the ones whose posts are exclusively agenda driven and making the forum difficult to read at times. How can a poster have any credibility when their posts are so blatantly driven by agendas?

I certainly wont pretend to speak for others but I do believe that a significant proportion of posters/readers of this forum will, like me, find your posts intensly irritating.

OK I knew there would be some flak from somewhere so let me explain things. I only contribute to certain threads on the MB because much of it doesn't interest me and my football knowledge (players around the world etc) is not good enough these days. Long gone are the days when I could reel off a stream of football based facts. A good example of this is the "Marquee Signing" thread where I expressed the fantasy which went through my head watching the LIverpool game and it became apparent I had totally the wrong end of the stick. I very, very rarely even read the transfer window thread because I can't keep up, don't know 95% of the names and I'm only interested in players on our pitch not 500 pages of fantasy football. This window is a bit different though.

One of the things which interests me is the future of our club. I hear a lot of rumour and I'm not sure how much is true, but most of it would send the MB in to complete meltdown. I have never posted any of this on here and will only ever comment on what I see in the published media.

As regards Phil Jones I still believe he would have been sold. I refuse to reveal the source of this information but by way of explanation I will say this. Many sports people live ordinary lives, like you and me (I'm no one special, I have no club contacts). Just through every day life I meet / know / hear of many sports people. My son was coached by Laura Massaro (World No.8 squash), my wife knows her mother, I used the same gym as many Bolton and Rovers players, my wife knows Kevin Gallacher's wife, within literally one minute of my back door live Tom Smith (Lancashire cricketer), Nicky Reid (ex Rovers and Man City), Jason Quealy (British cyclist), my kids went to school with relatives of Neil Ruddock and still know them, one of my lads has two friends who play in the FL and one friend whose father manages in the FL, I know a Bolton Wanderers director. I won't bore you with any more except to say Phil is a local lad and I live locally - I do NOT know the player. The point is in my ordinary humdrum life I come across people in ordinary everyday settings and hear things.

Alan Nixon is a journalist and has to guard his sources. He is clearly an intelligent and articulate man. In the past I and others have asked him deeper questions about football and Rovers. These are never answered. To know what he writes he must have very good contacts, ergo he must know a great deal about events at Ewood, way beyond who we may or may not buy etc. That none of this ever gets a mention makes me question things. I don't doubt nicko I just question it, that's what we do with journalism and media, we should not believe everything that is published. He is is not a Rover and one question I would love to see answered is why is he here?

Many football fans are only interested in the good news, not being interested in, for example, the huge, unsustainable debt that may be piled on to the club. In today's PL every action has a consequence and it is very foolish to live for today.

You're right I do have an agenda - it is this. I believe money and foreign ownership are killing our game. I have said this for years. I can accept we have little choice but foreign ownership for Rovers. I am happy to accept competent owners who will manage the club well. Sadly the current owners have not, in my opinion, demostrated the experience to manage our club. I will continue to try and argue this in a rational manner without resorting to being unpleasant to other MBers.

I feel so strongly about this ownership issue I will boycott today's game. For me this is extremely hard not least because it means one of my sons, who needs support to attend, cannot go. I think though the issues surrounding our proud club are sufficient to justify this.

I apologise if my thoughts offend you and others but all I do is try to present them in a reasonable and, I hope, well argued manner................and I still believe Phil Jones would have been sold in January, presumably to fund purchases but I don't know that.

[nicko]

What the heck does that last sentence mean ffs?!? Bang out of order. BPF hasn't been far wrong recently has he?

.

I wasn't refering to BPF as he knows...and you probably do too.

Very interesting post.

I have been wondering much the same myself about a number of stories which found their way into the LT post takeover and portrayed the new owners in a potentially negative light. The source for which could presumably only have been from somewhere within the Club.

For the avoidance of doubt and in defence of BPF whose info has been spot on recently I took your post to mean that you meant absolutely no criticism whatsoever of BPF, nor any doubt that he has actually heard a scare story of the budget only being 2m + wages.

Thank you.

[Guest Walshy]

You're right I do have an agenda - it is this. I believe money and foreign ownership are killing our game. I have said this for years. I can accept we have little choice but foreign ownership for Rovers. I am happy to accept competent owners who will manage the club well. Sadly the current owners have not, in my opinion, demostrated the experience to manage our club. I will continue to try and argue this in a rational manner without resorting to being unpleasant to other MBers.

They dont have the experience because we are the 1st football club they have run. THey are little over a month into the job and people are questioning their experience. WHy not question their business experience? Look at the empire they have built and it is continuall growning. THere are always going to be teething and etiquette problems when moving into a new line of work, so why do we all not be a bit patient and lets see this vision they have for us and like one of the brothers said on SSN the other day "we are their baby" and they wanna see that baby grow.

My point is, lets just wait and see

[Kelbo]

OK I knew there would be some flak from somewhere so let me explain things. I only contribute to certain threads on the MB because much of it doesn't interest me and my football knowledge (players around the world etc) is not good enough these days. Long gone are the days when I could reel off a stream of football based facts. A good example of this is the "Marquee Signing" thread where I expressed the fantasy which went through my head watching the LIverpool game and it became apparent I had totally the wrong end of the stick. I very, very rarely even read the transfer window thread because I can't keep up, don't know 95% of the names and I'm only interested in players on our pitch not 500 pages of fantasy football. This window is a bit different though.

One of the things which interests me is the future of our club. I hear a lot of rumour and I'm not sure how much is true, but most of it would send the MB in to complete meltdown. I have never posted any of this on here and will only ever comment on what I see in the published media.

As regards Phil Jones I still believe he would have been sold. I refuse to reveal the source of this information but by way of explanation I will say this. Many sports people live ordinary lives, like you and me (I'm no one special, I have no club contacts). Just through every day life I meet / know / hear of many sports people. My son was coached by Laura Massaro (World No.8 squash), my wife knows her mother, I used the same gym as many Bolton and Rovers players, my wife knows Kevin Gallacher's wife, within literally one minute of my back door live Tom Smith (Lancashire cricketer), Nicky Reid (ex Rovers and Man City), Jason Quealy (British cyclist), my kids went to school with relatives of Neil Ruddock and still know them, one of my lads has two friends who play in the FL and one friend whose father manages in the PL, I know a Bolton Wanderers director. I won't bore you with any more except to say Phil is a local lad and I live locally - I do NOT know the player. The point is in my ordinary humdrum life I come across people in ordinary everyday settings and hear things.

Alan Nixon is a journalist and has to guard his sources. He is clearly an intelligent and articulate man. In the past I and others have asked him deeper questions about football and Rovers. These are never answered. To know what he writes he must have very good contacts, ergo he must know a great deal about events at Ewood, way beyond who we may or may not buy etc. That none of this ever gets a mention makes me question things. I don't doubt nicko I just question it, that's what we do with journalism and media, we should not believe everything that is published. He is is not a Rover and one question I would love to see answered is why is he here?

Many football fans are only interested in the good news, not being interested in, for example, the huge, unsustainable debt that may be piled on to the club. In today's PL every action has a consequence and it is very foolish to live for today.

You're right I do have an agenda - it is this. I believe money and foreign ownership are killing our game. I have said this for years. I can accept we have little choice but foreign ownership for Rovers. I am happy to accept competent owners who will manage the club well. Sadly the current owners have not, in my opinion, demostrated the experience to manage our club. I will continue to try and argue this in a rational manner without resorting to being unpleasant to other MBers.

I feel so strongly about this ownership issue I will boycott today's game. For me this is extremely hard not least because it means one of my sons, who needs support to attend, cannot go. I think though the issues surrounding our proud club are sufficient to justify this.

I apologise if my thoughts offend you and others but all I do is try to present them in a reasonable and, I hope, well argued manner................and I still believe Phil Jones would have been sold in January, presumably to fund purchases but I don't know that.

Extremely well presented, yes this is quite correct, living and socialising in different areas can lead to interesting conversations and observations as well as facts which, as you rightly say, would not be right to post on a messageboard.

I myself grew up with an ex Rover, my son played football in the same team as he did, I played Lancashire league cricket with pro footballers and coaches, I meet lots of coaches through football, many who were decent league players and some are now coaching at

Football League level, I have deliberately omitted any links to contacts who still are involved with the club. That is in itself is what Nicko does, except he has spent a career building those contacts and some are stronger than others, Nicko gets things from this messageboard and follows them up, if they check out, he may have a story, thats how it works, a journalist never stops working, always looking for a story to make the headlines.

I work with one or two lads from the Chorley area and they too had heard that Jones was to be sold, maybe true, maybe not, I cant

answer for sure on that one but it would, knowing the lads, be resonably accurate.

[Gav]

Yes, we are potentially in a tough spot right now but please continue to support the team.

I don’t want to drag this thread off topic but I can’t let this go without comment.

How the hell are we in ‘potentially in a tough spot’?

We are active in the transfer market for the first time in years, we have a manager that’s trying to play football the right way, with some early success, and sit 9th in the premiership having just hammered Liverpool?

If that’s being in tough spot I’d take it every time.

A tough spot is being bottom of the 3rd divsion without a pot to wee in, been there done that

[Sverre]

What about approaching Adrian Mutu? He's not welcomed any more at Fiorentina.... and rightfully so !