[Archived] Blackburn Rovers vs. QPR

[JAL]

Warnock is a disgrace. He is more odious that Diouf ever has been. He really needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. I do feel sorry for his player though, he went in too hard and too fast and paid the price but it's not nice. Givet could have been seriously injured so Diouf was well within his rights to stand up for a teammate. Get well soon Mackie but don't hold it against Diouf because, if it had been the other way around, I bet your teammates would have done EXACTLY the same as Diouf.

The saddest thing is Warnock's comment have taken away the headline of a deserved Rovers victory and cast yet another negative slant in the papers on Rovers. He deserves all the abuse he gets.

[RevidgeBlue]

Blimey Rev, getting any kind of balanced post from you is impossible nowadays. You didn't used to be like this, did you?

1] Unlikely he'd have been on the pitch! - and how would you know that? Jeez.

2] No-one said he had, so why say that? He's been improving all season because he's got talent.

3] Last season he wasn't impressive in the reserves! So you're basically saying he's done nothing until Steve Kean took over.

I know you weren't posting earlier in the season, but were you watching?

More unnecessary unpleasantness.

1) According to Soccerbase the stats are that he's only started five games all season!. I can't remember off the top of my head how many of those five were under Kean but I'm thinking it's at least three. How can you say he would have started under Sam when he only made one or two starts in the opening 17 games?

2) Improving? Take a look at the Hoillett thread. Not many people seem to agree with you.

3) Well, he hadn't done a lot imo. I've seen all the home games and barely any of the away games but I'm sure you knew that already given that I see you at Ewood and I've commented previously on here that I stopped going to away games under Sam.

[Valois]

Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.. But what was with the absence of Olsson for the game? Nicko said absences were significant.. Hoping he wasn't dropped for this reason.. Which I doubt obviously based on his recent performances.

Left wing sorted in my opinion.. I'll be very disappointed if that's where we choose to improve in this window. Give the lad his chance.

He had a slight calf strain so was rested.

just another point about Warnock's comments. He stated that Steve wont wanting Diouf at the club anymore after that, and he will be one of the first to the leave. Again how dare he make a comment such as that, trying to tell Kean how to run the side, and put pressure on Kean to take action against Diouf.

Another point, really impressed with Kean in the interview afterwards, they were clearly looking for him to over react like Warnock, and he was calm as ever, didnt really want to comment to much on the incident, didnt try to lay blsme on anyone.

Really impressed with Kean's handling of the media so far after matches. Doesn't let his emotions get the better of him, or critisise others, seems to be a top professional.

[John]

Kean did his interviews, I believe, before Warnock's tirade. Be interesting to see if there is any response this week.

[Stuart]

That clip confirmed my initial impression. Givet went for the ball in a correct fashion.

THe QPR player went in completely recklessly.

[Valois]

Kean did his interviews, I believe, before Warnock's tirade. Be interesting to see if there is any response this week.

Not sure how you would know that, but anyway, Kean could quite easily have said it was a bad challenge on Givet by Mackie, or gone into the Diouf incident, but choose to just talk about the game, and confirm Ronnie is a no go. Certainly cant see him ever calling a player from the opposistion a sewer rat.

[thenodrog]

Two players fully committed to winning a 50:50 ball at speed. Blame should not be apportioned either way imo. Sh1t happens.

[RevidgeBlue]

Two players fully committed to winning a 50:50 ball at speed. Blame should not be apportioned either way imo. Sh1t happens.

What those photos don't give is an impression of is the speed at which the two players went into the challenge. Plus Givet's body seems to be correctly positioned.

I wouldn't class it as an accidental collision at all. Shocking challenge by the QPR player imo.

[Stuart]

Two players fully committed to winning a 50:50 ball at speed. Blame should not be apportioned either way imo. Sh1t happens.

If anything it looks as though the QPR lad has wussed out at the last second. Schoolboy mistake.

[Jim Royle]

I'd be amazed, and saddened if the FA do not act over the quotations coming from the QPR mob. I have no desire to stand up for EHD, but any comments he made were in the heat of battle and he could have taken the fact that Mackie stood up to mean he was ok, but regardless the difference is that the QPR mobs quotes are all after the event, they have had chance to collect their thoughts and clearly have as they are acting in unison and are therefore premeditated and calculated, ergo more serious and should be punished accordingly.

So step to it FA Disciplinary Panel

I hope QPR get promoted so that we can meet again - should be spicey

[DanLad]

If anything it looks as though the QPR lad has wussed out at the last second. Schoolboy mistake.

I watched it real time. My initial impression was that Givet went for the ball, the QPR lad didn't. It happened really quickly, though.

From those stills you can see that the QPR lad looks favourite for the ball, but doesn't play the ball. I thought that Mackie went for Givet, but came off worse off. These stills support that, IMO.

[Valois]

I'd be amazed, and saddened if the FA do not act over the quotations coming from the QPR mob. I have no desire to stand up for EHD, but any comments he made were in the heat of battle and he could have taken the fact that Mackie stood up to mean he was ok, but regardless the difference is that the QPR mobs quotes are all after the event, they have had chance to collect their thoughts and clearly have as they are acting in unison and are therefore premeditated and calculated, ergo more serious and should be punished accordingly.

So step to it FA Disciplinary Panel

I hope QPR get promoted so that we can meet again - should be spicey

I think Warnock is to blame for the comments his players have made. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm pretty sure we havent heard the end of this, and there will be further investigations into the whole matter by the FA.

Has anyone got the software to play the footage of the tackle in slow motion? At normal speed it looks like Mackie goes in to fast and goes completely over the ball

[tashor]

FIRST - good luck to Mackie in his recovery.......

SECOND - keep your gob shut EHD - even if it was at the spur of the moment........

THIRD - after due and considerate thought Warnock made his comments - if this prat isn't charged with bringing the game into disrepute the F.A. will look like utter tools.............

[bigbrandjohn]

FIRST - good luck to Mackie in his recovery.......

SECOND - keep your gob shut EHD - even if it was at the spur of the moment........

THIRD - after due and considerate thought Warnock made his comments - if this prat isn't charged with bringing the game into disrepute the F.A. will look like utter tools.............

Truth is EHD is hard core and always has been. You only have to check you tube EHD prank phone call to know that. Not for the faint hearted or under 18's. Warnock also has as much previous as Martin Sheen. So it is a marriage made in heaven, roll on Villa.

[Guest linganzi]

They regret making that call in the end. I shared a beach in wagamama with Diouf and guide daughter. Didn't talk mucj but was friendly and enthusiastic about chatting to a rover. I reckon a,lot of it is total showman pantomime

[daveoftherovers]

If you look closely at the 3rd still Givet has the ball, the QPR player goes over it, hence damage to Givet's knee, IMO, taken in the context of the game (QPR being a dirty side) and I was there watching it, I think the QPR player was reckless.

[den]

More unnecessary unpleasantness.

1) According to Soccerbase the stats are that he's only started five games all season!. I can't remember off the top of my head how many of those five were under Kean but I'm thinking it's at least three. How can you say he would have started under Sam when he only made one or two starts in the opening 17 games?

2) Improving? Take a look at the Hoillett thread. Not many people seem to agree with you.

3) Well, he hadn't done a lot imo. I've seen all the home games and barely any of the away games but I'm sure you knew that already given that I see you at Ewood and I've commented previously on here that I stopped going to away games under Sam.

Who cares how many games he's started Rev, he had come on as a sub in a number of games and impressed? It was you that said he wouldn't have been on the pitch against Liverpool - and you don't know that. As for him not improving, take a look at the match previews lately where people have been asking for his inclusion, obviously based on his recent form.

I just think this "Hoilett was useless and Keen has made him into a top player inside three weeks" tripe, is just a tiny part of your total bias against anything connected to Allardyce and the trustees. It's also part of your refusal to see anything wrong with the way Venky's have gone about their business. There's more to it than that simplistic view.

[alexanders]

obviously based on his recent form.

Or our hunger for some pace in the team.

[BuckyRover]

Who cares how many games he's started Rev, he had come on as a sub in a number of games and impressed? It was you that said he wouldn't have been on the pitch against Liverpool - and you don't know that. As for him not improving, take a look at the match previews lately where people have been asking for his inclusion, obviously based on his recent form.

I just think this "Hoilett was useless and Keen has made him into a top player inside three weeks" tripe, is just a tiny part of your total bias against anything connected to Allardyce and the trustees. It's also part of your refusal to see anything wrong with the way Venky's have gone about their business. There's more to it than that simplistic view.

Give it a rest.

He is now playing full games because when he has started he has been more effective because we are now playing an attacking 4-4-2 formation (even though it doesn't work at this level).

You accused Rev and I of being one sided. Far from it, I always advocated playing a more attractive and exciting formation. This pov was regularly derided as being a stupid idea (Do you want to end up like WBA?). I'm just happy that (at the moment) we appear to be being proven correct.

I said I always wanted to play football in this way (my ethos if you like). You didn't and yet you are still deriding my point of view even though it looks like your view is the outdated one. It's still early days but I would appreciate it if you would take you pro-Sam hat off. I was never anti-Sam, just the way we approached our games and I am loving our recent performances.

[brigrover]

I cant help but think that although both players went into the challenge at 50:50 the QPR lad might have backed out a little at the last second - big mistake.

Have to agree that it was not Givet at fault, and it is to Givets credit, and the reason he didnt come out with a more serious injury, that he went through with the challenge perfectly and with 100% commitment.

[thenodrog]

I wouldn't class it as an accidental collision at all. Shocking challenge by the QPR player imo.

I disagree strongly with that Simon. At that speed it's difficult to apportion blame. The damage to Mackie was caused by Givet's trailing right knee not his leading one impacting on Mackies standing leg. Unfortunate but completely accidental imo.

btw I was alone in the pub last night in thinking that Gerrard's tackle was OK and not a sending off. I was the only one right too as it was between two players coming in from behind and to the side. Two footed block tackles are only dangerous coming in from the front or the back and that wasn't a block tackle. 'His feet were off the ground' is some new and stupid malarcky. Course they were off the ground otherwise they'd have stopped him. The old yardstick ws were his feet high or low e.g. knee height.

[spencey7]

If any one post can sum up thenodrog perfectly - it is this one:

I was alone in the pub last night in thinking that Gerrard's tackle was OK and not a sending off. I was the only one right too

Hilarious!

[thenodrog]

Give it a rest.

He is now playing full games because when he has started he has been more effective because we are now playing an attacking 4-4-2 formation (even though it doesn't work at this level).

You accused Rev and I of being one sided. Far from it, I always advocated playing a more attractive and exciting formation. This pov was regularly derided as being a stupid idea (Do you want to end up like WBA?). I'm just happy that (at the moment) we appear to be being proven correct.

I said I always wanted to play football in this way (my ethos if you like). You didn't and yet you are still deriding my point of view even though it looks like your view is the outdated one. It's still early days but I would appreciate it if you would take you pro-Sam hat off. I was never anti-Sam, just the way we approached our games and I am loving our recent performances.

I was pro Sam and still am, but I thought he should have been using Hoillett more this season. The lad has terrific ability and scares the life out of defenders just like the young Damien Duff. In the past his weakness was the rest of his contribution to proceedings OFF the ball and his decision making. I'm sure that SA must have seen the same and been trying to correct those two faults. Rem Duffer started very raw and took a year or two to learn how to take a share of defending and also how to score goals (Dean Saunders biggest legacy to BRFC was to get Duff to actually shoot at the target rather than make a pass imo) and become a £16m man. My biggest gripe at the time that Duff was starting out was that Woy massively overplayed him. Kean must be careful to avoid that with Hoillet.

[Neil Weaver]

I was pro Sam and still am, but I thought he should have been using Hoillett more this season. The lad has terrific ability and scares the life out of defenders just like the young Damien Duff. In the past his weakness was the rest of his contribution to proceedings OFF the ball and his decision making. I'm sure that SA must have seen the same and been trying to correct those two faults. Rem Duffer started very raw and took a year or two to learn how to take a share of defending and also how to score goals (Dean Saunders biggest legacy to BRFC was to get Duff to actually shoot at the target rather than make a pass imo) and become a £16m man. My biggest gripe at the time that Duff was starting out was that Woy massively overplayed him. Kean must be careful to avoid that with Hoillet.

Spot on Gord. Saw him a few times last season and two things struck me : 1 - as soon as he was roughed up a bit he'd disappear and 2 - whilst he could dribble and often beat a man, he'd try to do too much and didn't know when to pass. Number 2 is improving (still got room for improvement!) and on the first, Saturday was a good example that he's made a lot of progress on that front.

Overall, he's been too 'lightweight' till very recently to justify a starting place but now he just about merits a start. Continue improving and he'll be a regular starter. Keep going lad, you have the potential to be a good un.

[RIML]

MACKIE UPDATE

Now QPR are saying he won't be out for 9 months, that doesn't surprise me because the medical staff thought he could stand up!

It's all mind games with Neil Warnock