[Archived] Transfer Window Part 3

[RevidgeBlue]

Think the last accounts also showed our overall % spent on wages decrease.

Without having the accounts in front of me I'd guess that's purely because each Club received a big increase in their TV money, not because there was any sort of reduction in the wage bill per se.

[tony gale's mic]

The key question is whether Salgado's new deal (if he is offered one) will mean we have to sell players to pay for it? We've had trouble balancing the wage budget in the past (and have had to sell players to balance it) and could clearly have problems again.

Well I'm not claiming to know what Salgado's salary is but I'm guessing it's around 30-40k a week? I don't think it's any more than any other first team PL right back would expect to get anyway - and if we didn't renew Salgado's contract we'd need another right back anyway.

All this stuff about having to sell Warnock and buy Chimbonda to cover Salgado's wage bill was baseless - we sold Warnock for £7 million and signed Chimbonda for £1.5 million. Wage budgets and transfer funds are done on a season by season basis, and I can't think Salgado's wage would've cost £5.5 million a year.

JW said the shortfall was because the wage budget in general was too high. He didn't say any one particular player precipitated the sale of Warnock, that was just a rumour started on here and believed without any proof whatsoever.

[JAL]

His attitude is admittedly first class and he might well have been a world class player years ago.

This is now though and the harsh reality is he's not that good now.

What we might not know Rev is, his persona on the training ground and around the club. If you're a new manager and you've got a role model of a player who does all the right things in and around the club shows himself in a correct manner to his fellow team mates and the youngsters and has all his achievments before him. As a young manager surely you want that aura to be around as you start off on the managerial ladder. Plus he might be taking some coaching sessions here in further developing himself .

Would you dismiss him for another twelve months. Think theres a wider issue here than just being on the pitch.

[RevidgeBlue]

I hope you mean he's not world class any more, and not that he simply isn't that good any more!

He's playing for Blackburn Rovers, he wouldn't be if he was world class.

He isn't that good any more period.

That's purely my view of him, seemingly not shared by Sam Allardyce, Steve Kean or the majority on here.

[tony gale's mic]

He's not THAT good, but on the pitch he's at the very least good enough for a mid table PL side, and off the pitch it sounds like he's an important figure to have around. His performances also haven't been dipping too much during his time here so he's worth keeping on for sure.

[joey_big_nose]

His attitude is admittedly first class and he might well have been a world class player years ago.

This is now though and the harsh reality is he's not that good now.

He is pretty good on the pitch and outstanding off it. At least five other names that need shifting before him - Chimbonda, Grella, Andrews, Zurab and Benjani,

A one year extension would be good as we have a very young side now and we need to retain experience.

Tony Gale's Mic - A key point there I think is that Chimbonda's wages must be enormous.

[Sverre]

He isn't that good any more period.

That's purely my view of him, seemingly not shared by Sam Allardyce, Steve Kean or the majority on here.

I remember Allardyce said that one of the reasons why he signed Salgado was that he would be a great player to have in the dressing room, due to his experience and stature.

[tony gale's mic]

He is pretty good on the pitch and outstanding off it. At least five other names that need shifting before him - Chimbonda, Grella, Andrews, Zurab and Benjani,

A one year extension would be good as we have a very young side now and we need to retain experience.

Tony Gale's Mic - A key point there I think is that Chimbonda's wages must be enormous.

Must they? Clubs like ours generally pay their first teamers 30-40k a week, with the star players getting 50-60k tops. Again guess work but I'm fairly sure the majority of this board would apply similar figures. It's also fairly consistent with the figures that have leaked out of Ewood.

Whatever the actual figure is I find it impossible to believe that a club like ours when JW was at the helm would break its wage structure for someone like Chimbonda who was not signed as a star player.

Yes our wages did go out of control, but this was more to do with the fact our turnover was so low due to low attendances and cheap tickets and wages across the club increasing to keep up with the other PL clubs. It wasn't caused by any one player being signed.

[Miker]

Obviously Salgado isn't as good as he used to be and definitely not as quick, but his ability and intelligence is still quite evident in the games he's played for us. One of the few times that I thought Sam got a decision completely wrong was when he took Salgado off against Spurs and put Chimbonda against Bale instead where he ended up getting absolutely spanked. Salgado on the other hand used all of his experience and intelligence to keep Bale at bay and even though he couldn't match him for pace (how many can?) he executed his positioning and tracking back perfectly to keep him from being a real threat.

That wasn't the first time Salgado played like that either, he has done it regularly for us and he's definitely worth keeping around if we can afford it. I'd bring a younger right back with huge potential into the team and have Salgado tutor him. I'm sure Salgado has been helpful in the development of our younger defenders like Jones as well.

[Oklahoma]

Just read that Trezeguet has been offered to other teams because Hercules "forgot" to pay some wages.

New striker for Rovers? any truth in this, Nicko?

http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=241426

[XLM]

He is pretty good on the pitch and outstanding off it. At least five other names that need shifting before him - Chimbonda, Grella, Andrews, Zurab and Benjani,

Jesus, is he still here?!

[67splitscreen]

Well I'm not claiming to know what Salgado's salary is but I'm guessing it's around 30-40k a week? I don't think it's any more than any other first team PL right back would expect to get anyway - and if we didn't renew Salgado's contract we'd need another right back anyway.

All this stuff about having to sell Warnock and buy Chimbonda to cover Salgado's wage bill was baseless - we sold Warnock for £7 million and signed Chimbonda for £1.5 million. Wage budgets and transfer funds are done on a season by season basis, and I can't think Salgado's wage would've cost £5.5 million a year.

JW said the shortfall was because the wage budget in general was too high. He didn't say any one particular player precipitated the sale of Warnock, that was just a rumour started on here and believed without any proof whatsoever.

I seem to remember JW saying that after Sam signsd Salgado the targeted finishing position that the budget had been set against was adjusted two or three places higher. Thus covering the wages.

[RevidgeBlue]

Jesus, is he still here?!

Oh yes.

28k p.w. allegedly.

[Sverre]

Oh yes.

28k p.w. allegedly.

Isn't he out on loan? Reading was it?

[Sverre]

Probably already mentioned, but we are linked with "Argentine starlet Pablo Mouche", according to SSN

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11676_6648788,00.html

[RevidgeBlue]

Isn't he out on loan? Reading was it?

I've checked and you're quite right.

Would imagine we're still paying most of his wages though.

[Torgeir]

Just read that Trezeguet has been offered to other teams because Hercules "forgot" to pay some wages.

New striker for Rovers? any truth in this, Nicko?

http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=241426

If true then we should be all over it. Sign him until the summer instead of RSC, Trezeguet is still quality. He did move to Spain because his wife is from there though, so not sure he would play in England - perhaps for six months?

[Steve Moss]

LOL, I'll re-phrase "credible source please"

Venky's India, their main business, the one they want to promote so much had a turnover of just over £100m last year with a profit of £7.7m after tax so I would love to know where the other £900m of turnover and £110m of profit is coming from. And why the Raos aren't promoting these other companies which are worth more to them.

I think there is far more to Venkys than just Venkys India.

It's not Collins who's owed a contract if he plays again for Villa it's Curtis Davies. I'd take him over Collins anyway to be fair.

In a pinch either would do, but I agree that Davies is by far the better investment.

Cryer tweet - A bit of good news from Michel Salgado for you all in tomorrow's LT

Contract extension by a year perhaps?? Hope so - true pro!

So Kean goes away & comes back with the info from our new owners.

Samba then says he is happier and wont ask to leave

Nelsen wants to stay

Robbo wants to sign a life time contract

Salgado wants to extend

Something must be going right behind closed doors then...perhaps too many bad chinese whispers on here are making people lose focus?

Dont disagree with improving the position - but id rather see Chimbonda & Emerton leave and allow Salgado to help nuture our next right back. He has MASSIVE experience and has been one of our best players.

Chimbonda will be on a good screw so the back of him in summer should see a nice saving.

The fact that the true pros want to stay and are excited about the Rovers' future says it all to me. The Chimbondas of the world should be give a swift boot out the door.

I give Venkys a lot of credit for trying with Ronaldinho. While I think they behave as amatuers, and do themselves considerable injury, I'm coming around to the idea that their hearts and wallets are in the right place.

And come the summer we should have a lot of room on the wage bill. 3-4 mid-range signings to reinforce the squad for one last strong effort up the table, and then rebuild with Kean and Co. over the summer.

Its exciting times.

[BangkokRover]

He is also one of our best performers this last 12 months and is a model pro. Having a top pro with his credentials can only be good for younger players at the club.

I have to admit I was worried when he signed but he has been bloody brilliant.

[FourLaneBlue]

Id rather we threw a juicer signing on fee to the player - rather than at a rival club.

Last one standing suggest paying over the odds - not wise, no matter how poor our midfield.

What you and nicko say isn't wise at all though, is it? In fact, it's hoping we outdo bigger clubs that bid the same as us. What's WISE about that?

In your way of thinking, we should pay the same fee as the likes of Liverpool or Villa and offer a higher signing-on fee, and then watch as Adam will still choose Liverpool. As if a higher signing-on fee will stop him signing for a bigger club.

If we put in the highest bid and it is the only one accepted, we will get the player as we are the only ones whom have had a bid accepted.

As for "paying over the odds"...surely Venkys can decide what they can afford? If they want to make an impact signing then they need to stop buggering about and do so...

Where does being terrified of paying a bit more than another club would come into the big-splash-impact-signing?

Adam is supposedly top of their list. So, stop faffing about and go and get him.

[philipl]

What you and nicko say isn't wise at all though, is it? In fact, it's hoping we outdo bigger clubs that bid the same as us. What's WISE about that?

In your way of thinking, we should pay the same fee as the likes of Liverpool or Villa and offer a higher signing-on fee, and then watch as Adam will still choose Liverpool. As if a higher signing-on fee will stop him signing for a bigger club.

If we put in the highest bid and it is the only one accepted, we will get the player as we are the only ones whom have had a bid accepted.

As for "paying over the odds"...surely Venkys can decide what they can afford? If they want to make an impact signing then they need to stop buggering about and do so...

Where does being terrified of paying a bit more than another club would come into the big-splash-impact-signing?

Adam is supposedly top of their list. So, stop faffing about and go and get him.

Completely agree.

Particularly as the Rovers' money situation is shockingly worse than even I thought it was.

Rival clubs can read other clubs' supporters' message boards so they are hardly going to win the battle for Adam and then say "hang on, we had better wait for Blackburn to gazump us" are they?

My gut feel is that so much is at stake for Blackpool in terms of hanging onto Adam, they are going to be totally intransigent in trying to keep him in reality regardless of what words they might use to the media.

[andyrover]

wonder what today will bring

[RoversSG]

wonder what today will bring

Probably more whining about whether Venky has the cash, whether Collins is good and why we're not bidding for Adam yet

[Iceman]

wonder what today will bring

probably tell us that we will sign 2 players on Wednesday, only for nothing to happen.

[47er]

You can stick your Steven Warnock up were the sun doesnt shine.

A liability defender and definitely not a player for any team in the world who has any aspirations of doing well.

Hang on-----that's not the Steven Warnock that played for us for several years is it? I don't recognise him from that description.