[Archived] Transfer Window Part 3

[nicko]

I spoke to Daniel Wiltgen who confirmed Samba didn't fancy Villa.

If you want to talk to one of his former agents that's up to you...

OK still 80kpw, is that the deal then.

Man City want a loan-with-a-view-to-a-sale job.

If that fails it would be a full-wages-loan deal.

Rovers were hoping to split the wages.

Could do with deciding one way or another...trouble is City are in control so it will take forever...it's not like they are skint.

[chaddyrovers]

think it time we move on from the RSC deal and move to the second target now. whoever that is???

[Beta Ray Bill]

why dont we pay Samba more, ffs we paid MGP more. if its money, pay him more. i just dont buy into this, he wants out, because of the Sam sacking.

Try googling "danegeld." I'm sure Rooney, Tevez and Samba have...

[Jim Royle]

Ffs. I report the things. Not set them up.

Chill pill time!

I know you report, but my question is that if the swaps makes no sense to the majority of parties and yet you have been heavy on the tale you must know stuff - it is the stuff that I am asking you about.

To be honest all managers outside the top 5 would fancy Samba - So that Houllier fancies him is no tale at all, how much of the Collins and Warnock stuff is conjecture?? because that is the tale

In reality if this doesn't happen then you have to question your contacts and er, your judgement. If it does happen, then fairplay on being first and backing it up, but it is a reputation buster big man

[Sandiway Blue]

why dont we pay Samba more, ffs we paid MGP more. if its money, pay him more. i just dont buy into this, he wants out, because of the Sam sacking.

In all fairness he has wanted out for a year so this has nothing to do with Sam`s sacking.

[nicko]

Chill pill time!

I know you report, but my question is that if the swaps makes no sense to the majority of parties and yet you have been heavy on the tale you must know stuff - it is the stuff that I am asking you about.

To be honest all managers outside the top 5 would fancy Samba - So that Houllier fancies him is no tale at all, how much of the Collins and Warnock stuff is conjecture?? because that is the tale

In reality if this doesn't happen then you have to question your contacts and er, your judgement. If it does happen, then fairplay on being first and backing it up, but it is a reputation buster big man

Villa are the only team in for Samba. He has been available for long enough and nobody else bigger is in.

Rovers know that Villa are the only team in for Samba too. So they are trying to find out what the best possible deal is.

It's not my judgement. It's information.

[gumboots]

Chill pill time!

I know you report, but my question is that if the swaps makes no sense to the majority of parties and yet you have been heavy on the tale you must know stuff - it is the stuff that I am asking you about.

To be honest all managers outside the top 5 would fancy Samba - So that Houllier fancies him is no tale at all, how much of the Collins and Warnock stuff is conjecture?? because that is the tale

In reality if this doesn't happen then you have to question your contacts and er, your judgement. If it does happen, then fairplay on being first and backing it up, but it is a reputation buster big man

It's absolutely no tale that houllier fancies him because in one fell swoop he'd strengthen them and we'd be potentially weaker, hence further strengthening Villa. Where the tale is is not even the swap that might happen? The tale is why Samba, who although a footballer and therefore obviously motivated by the chance of a big money deal, wants to leave us so much that he is prepared to go to a club where one poor result will probably see the fans calling for the manager's head again and this time he might just go, thus plunging them into uncertainty again. Unless he knows allardyce is going there and fancies joining up with him again. If I were Samba and the Villa thing was the best on offer I'd be staying put at a club where the fans value me and looking round in the summer, particularly since then there will be more choice over where I go and there might be a better deal on the cards for me, both in terms of club and money. But then I'm a reasonable person, not a footballer!

[den]

In all fairness he has wanted out for a year so this has nothing to do with Sam`s sacking.

In all fairness, didn't Nicko change his story to him wanting out from the beginning of the season?

There was no problem until Venky's sacked Allardyce and Kean went to the media with the story that "Samba's agent" had said that Samba wanted out.

[True Blue & White]

But does Samba want to go to Villa? A key question.....

[Mozzer]

yeh if no big clubs are in for samba would he really want to go villa ? ...he might want out but to villa ? hardly gonna be an improvement

[nicko]

In all fairness, didn't Nicko change his story to him wanting out from the beginning of the season?

There was no problem until Venky's sacked Allardyce and Kean went to the media with the story that "Samba's agent" had said that Samba wanted out.

I said Samba wanted out [much] earlier in the season. No change in any story.

The manager checked with one of his agents when The Sun story came out and the agent said he wanted out for 'a year.'

Samba and his agent went to the paper after Sam went as an excuse to publicise his wish for a move.

He has repeated that wish since.

Has the penny not dropped yet?

He wants more money from somewhere...

But does Samba want to go to Villa? A key question.....

See last paragraph above.

[True Blue & White]

See last paragraph above.

You said that he wanted more money, not that he wanted to go to Villa. If the inference is that he'll go anywhere for more cash, why don't we just offer him a bigger contact. After all, given the Ronnie deal has all but fallen through it's not like Laurel & Hardy don't have the spare wonga...

[Iceman]

In all fairness he has wanted out for a year so this has nothing to do with Sam`s sacking.

sorry, maybe that came across wrong. what i meant was, that i dont buy into this theory, that he wants out, bacause of the Sam sacking.

[67splitscreen]

If you want to talk to one of his former agents that's up to you...

If that fails it would be a full-wages-loan deal.

Rovers were hoping to split the wages.

Could do with deciding one way or another...trouble is City are in control so it will take forever...it's not like they are skint.

Thanks, now I understand your 2m estimated wages.

[ptholt]

You said that he wanted more money, not that he wanted to go to Villa. If the inference is that he'll go anywhere for more cash, why don't we just offer him a bigger contact. After all, given the Ronnie deal has all but fallen through it's not like Laurel & Hardy don't have the spare wonga...

The problem is i think, if we sell Samba without a formal transfer request being submitted he is entitled to the remainder of his rovers wages on his curent contract, plus 10% (may be 20% iirc) of the fee he is sold for, plus the sign on fee at the new club and the higher wages

All of which is quite a nice tidy sum and so far in his career to date he has not had the chance of a big fat lump of cash landing on his lap.

If we offer him a nice big fat contract he will get the sign on, plus possibly the wages but miss out on the rest, and if he wants to leave purely for cash i saw cash in him if its 13-15 mill but no less, he also doesnt fit the bill as a marquee signing and the way he has acted orchestrating a move may have burned his bridges perhaps?

[Jim Royle]

Villa are the only team in for Samba. He has been available for long enough and nobody else bigger is in.

Rovers know that Villa are the only team in for Samba too. So they are trying to find out what the best possible deal is.

It's not my judgement. It's information.

So have Villa offered Collins and Warnock plus wedge, or have Rovers asked for Collins and Warnock plus wedge?

Big difference cause if Rovers have asked then the probabilities of the deal increase - dependent solely on Sambas desires, t'other way round then Villa are clutching at straws

[budha]

The problem is i think, if we sell Samba without a formal transfer request being submitted he is entitled to the remainder of his rovers wages on his curent contract, plus 10% (may be 20% iirc) of the fee he is sold for, plus the sign on fee at the new club and the higher wages

No way. He might be due some loyalty bonus since there hasn't? been any formal transfer request, but we're definitely not paying him for the reminder of his contract.

[Darwen Rover]

Give the lad a new conract...

[Bennisfromheaven]

Has the penny not dropped yet?

He wants more money from somewhere...

So, if we improved his contract do you think he would stay?

[Ferrit]

Why are you all talking about Collins like he is really awful?

him and Dunne didn't become awful players overnight

Absoloutely agreed with this, Dunne has been awful for years.

[Roversider]

So, if we improved his contract do you think he would stay?

Maybe, maybe not.

On the plus side Kean seems to be able (and credit to Samba as well) to keep the performances up.

We are short of left-back cover so a Warnock return might be ok but he was vastly over-rated at the transfer price Villa paid. Depends on the cost here.

Collins is a good centre-back in my opinion and I think he is the pick of the Villa selection. He was very good at West Ham and performed very well against us for Villa. Not certain why his performances have slipped but the Villa fans like him.

We have two very promising young centre-backs in Jones and Hanley, Givet is also ok there.

A swap of Warnock and Collins with cash for an unsettled Samba makes some sense to me. However I would prefer to stick with what we have.

You have to trust Steve Kean on this one, if he can persuade Samba to stay then all well and good, if he can't? Well we have no choice in that case.

[ptholt]

No way. He might be due some loyalty bonus since there hasn't? been any formal transfer request, but we're definitely not paying him for the reminder of his contract.

I have heard of some contracts with similar terms in, as the club are ending the contract by selling the player during the contract terms, but i guess the real content/clauses will depend on the negotiating parties, either way i suspect the bulk of his earnings would come from % of sale and or purchase fee anyway.

[deftangel]

How Kean is the manager (excuse the pun) on actually taking Collins & Warnock in exchange for Samba?

Putting the motivation aside for a moment, I don't think that is a good deal regardless.

If this is all just exploratory on the basis that Villa cannot afford the deal in cash and we're seeing what the best deal is before taking a view then fine.

If the position is that the deal *will* be done if the players (far from trivial) stuff can be sorted out then I'm less than impressed.

[Fife Rover]

If Samba wants to leave there is nothing we can do about it.

However, the deal must be on our terms and be right for what Steve Kean needs. We have to trust the manager and if he believes that Warnock and Collins are what is needed to replace Big Chris then so be it.

That's the most sensible post in this particular discussion so far.

[Mr. E]

1/3rd of the transfer window gone, utter failure is so far the result.

Where are our players Venkys. The good ones. (and you won't find those at Aston Villa)