[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Return - Done Deal

[philipl]

Completely irrelevant I'd say other than to indicate that if that had indeed happened the Walkers had fallen out with the Rao's.

Would they not have been miffed about Sam getting the chop?

From what I understand they had every right to be miffed about that.. and a lot more besides.

[Valois]

No go back and read what I wrote in full. My fear is Rev that you are going to end up looking far more foolish than any poster on here currently thinks I am.

And just ask any Hindu from that neck of the woods how they would interpret getting their presents returned unopened.

Just stop and think about what that action really means if the story is true.

Have you considered, if this did actually happen, and there is no evidence it did, that the Walkers felt it was inappropriate to accept gifts from the Rao's considering they had just sold the club to them.

Or maybe they prefer Harvey Nichols over Harrods.

One thing I do know it bears absolutely no relevance to the signing of RSC.

[RevidgeBlue]

From what I understand they had every right to be miffed about that.. and a lot more besides.

Well, as usual, all innuendo from you with no evidence to back it up, but even taking what you say at face value, they had the chance to do as much or as little due dilligence on the Rao's as they wanted.

And I haven't noticed them clamouring to send their 20m back and reclaim ownership of the Club.

One thing I do know it bears absolutely no relevance to the signing of RSC.

Or anything else.

[philipl]

Well given my point is the RSC loan deal does not prove the Venky's are Premier League owner loaded, I guess we are in agreement that it does not point to anything except a bunch of posters desperately wanting to believe it.

[thenodrog]

I fear (and deep down know) you are swallowing a story every bit as much as the Trust did. It is a good show of that there is no doubt but just six weeks after committing to the sale, I hear the recipients sent their Harrods hampers back from whence they had come unopened.

Let's see where we are three weeks from now.

Doesn't stack up completely gunner. Most of the beneficiaries of the trust clear off every year in mid Dec for sunnier climes for a month. 6 weeks after the t/o they weren't even here to send anything back. I'm quite prepared to believe that they might not think too much about the way the new owners are going about their business in Blackburn cos anybody with half a brain can't be happy about whats gone on at our sorry my mistake at THEIR club.

[Valois]

Well given my point is the RSC loan deal does not prove the Venky's are Premier League owner loaded, I guess we are in agreement that it does not point to anything except a bunch of posters desperately wanting to believe it.

I understand what you are trying to say, and the time to judge will indeed will be at the end of January. I know one thing for sure however, we would never have been able to bring RSC back under the Trust regime.

I dont think for one minute that anyone believes signing RSC on loan, and a kid from Barce B proves Venkys mean business, however surely its a step in the right direction, given our squad is thread bare, would you not agree?

No doubt even if we do manage to sign Adam, and 1 or 2 more in this window, people will still question Venkys, and their motives.

One thing it does show is that they are willing to listen to Kean, and allow him to bring in 2 of the targets on his list.

[Miker]

No doubt even if we do manage to sign Adam, and 1 or 2 more in this window, people will still question Venkys, and their motives.

I think if we sign Adam and 1 or 2 more decent players it will reflect favourably on Venky's.

[Valois]

I think if we sign Adam and 1 or 2 more decent players it will reflect favourably on Venky's.

You would hope so mate, although some people on here will try and put some sort of negative spin on it.

[jim mk2]

I know one thing for sure however, we would never have been able to bring RSC back under the Trust regime.

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You cannot say that for certain unless you have some inside connection with the Walkers which I very much doubt.

If they come to pass, an injury- prone loan signing and a kid who is unlikely to be anywhere near the Rovers first team mean Venky's have proved nothing yet and do nothing to address the current shortcomings in the team.

Only when the owners have splashed some serious cash like they promised will fans finally believe they mean serious business. Ii is still likely that they will fund any signings by flogging a player first, probably Samba, in which case their credibility will be in tatters. But I live in hope.

It might also have escaped the Venky and Kean lovers on here that Roque was also a target for Allardyce this window before he was scandalously dumped.

[Steve Moss]

What money have they spent?

Well as you can see from the topic... fully paid wages for cruz... thats 90k per week. we wouldn't be able to afford that with our old regime would we?

Getting £18m for him was a great deal, taking him back for FREE for 6 months (except wages)

In answer to both you and bob who raised the same point above I can only assume as valois says that the money for RSC's wages is coming out of the overall January "pot" for transfers being provided by the new owners.

Well given my point is the RSC loan deal does not prove the Venky's are Premier League owner loaded, I guess we are in agreement that it does not point to anything except a bunch of posters desperately wanting to believe it.

I'm not certain that RSC's loan proves that Venky's are "loaded". Hasn't Nicko stated that most sales are spread over time? If that is the case when we sold RSC to ManC, then they would owe us a few million a year. The Rovers 'paying' his wages would be easy, as ManC could give him his paycheck and we could deduct 90k/week from the debt ManC owes us. No cash spent by Venkys, only debt forgiveness, and we get a player who might improve our squad.

I'm not saying that is the arrangment. I have no clue. But Philip may be right in that the RSC does not necessarily prove that Venkys has cash and are willing to spend it. The deal outlined above is only one possibility which still fits within the claim that the Rovers are paying RSC's wages. Another, of course, is that we actually are paying the wages as: 1) everyone prefers the checks to cross in the mail for accounting purposes; or, 2) ManC owe us nothing and Venkys is truly footing the bill.

I doubt anyone who isn't privy to the Rovers books would know, as football club finances appear Byzantine.

[XLM]

The issue isn't really whether Venky's are willing to spend mega money. I couldn't care less. We were getting no money anyway. If people are going to be mega ###### off if they don't spend big in this window it's a bit petty.

If Roque stays fit he'll be a good addition to our squad. There's no point saying he won't because we can't know that.

This is basically all we KNOW. (We don't know what Samba is thinking, what money Venky's have for certain, their motivations for certain, Roque's fitness etc.)

We had no money -> now we may have money.

We had to sell players to fund the wage bill -> now we don't.

We had Allardyce, hate him or love him -> now we don't.

It's as simple as that, and I cannot see how those statements can be seen as negative overall.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

The issue isn't really whether Venky's are willing to spend mega money. I couldn't care less. We were getting no money anyway. If people are going to be mega ###### off if they don't spend big in this window it's a bit petty.

If Roque stays fit he'll be a good addition to our squad. There's no point saying he won't because we can't know that.

This is basically all we KNOW. (We don't know what Samba is thinking, what money Venky's have for certain, their motivations for certain, Roque's fitness etc.)

We had no money -> now we may have money.

We had to sell players to fund the wage bill -> now we don't.

We had Allardyce, hate him or love him -> now we don't.

It's as simple as that, and I cannot see how those statements can be seen as negative overall.

An excellent post if you dont mind me saying so and a rare example of common sense/sanity on here.

Sadly, there are many who have made up their mind and a number of those who have agendas. In addition there are even a couple who could use some specialist help so I'm afraid it's going to be more of the same bullshine and hysteria for a while.

[philipl]

An excellent post if you dont mind me saying so and a rare example of common sense/sanity on here.

Sadly, there are many who have made up their mind and a number of those who have agendas. In addition there are even a couple who could use some specialist help so I'm afraid it's going to be more of the same bullshine and hysteria for a while.

My friend we are all Rovers supporters. You can disagree with me, doubt the veracity or accuracy of my knowledge but this repeated mantra about "specialist help" you drone on about whilst contributing nothing on any note to the content of these message board threads is the stuff of the kindergarten school yard and counter productve to the happy clappy message you are trying to get over.

[cruz]

It might also have escaped the Venky and Kean lovers on here that Roque was also a target for Allardyce this window before he was scandalously dumped.

According to the press

[deryck guyler's spoon]

My friend we are all Rovers supporters. You can disagree with me, doubt the veracity or accuracy of my knowledge but this repeated mantra about "specialist help" you drone on about whilst contributing nothing on any note to the content of these message board threads is the stuff of the kindergarten school yard and counter productve to the happy clappy message you are trying to get over.

Repeated mantra? First I've ever mentioned it. There must be other posters saying the same thing.

If I've contibuted nothing it is because I dont have any inside contacts and dont pretend to have. I want to give the new owners a chance because there is nothing else anybody can about them owning the club at the moment. If I'm on your case a lot it is because I'm sick to the back teeth of you spamming the boards with your paranoid agenda.

I didn't mentioned you in connection with requiring specialist help but if the cap fits..............

[philipl]

Repeated mantra? First I've ever mentioned it. There must be other posters saying the same thing.

If I've contibuted nothing it is because I dont have any inside contacts and dont pretend to have. I want to give the new owners a chance because there is nothing else anybody can about them owning the club at the moment. If I'm on your case a lot it is because I'm sick to the back teeth of you spamming the boards with your paranoid agenda.

I didn't mentioned you in connection with requiring specialist help but if the cap fits..............

Sorry, you cannot get away with that- you have been posting comments about posters' mental health for quite a while.

There is nothing wrong with giving the new owners a chance.

I post my opinions which are they are messing up very badly and I post information which I am able to share.

Anyway, I am delighted that RSC is back but pretty scared about the exits of Samba and Dunn I hear are being worked on. I have my view as to why those players are perceived as being needed to be sold and other people will have their's.

And believe me I will be elated to take all the abuse you can throw at me if Samba and Dunn are both Rovers players on 3 February.

[John]

Sam said publicly that he wanted Santa back - pretty sure he wanted Adam too.

[Bobby G]

So I guess transfer lists were never the problem between Sam and the Venksters.

If Roque is driven, be sure he would want to stay with us. He wont move again outside the NW. He likes it there. Lets hope that he isnt settling into early retirement. Best striker we have had since Shearer. In his 2nd season teams worked him out. We need to have different dimensions to our game and hopefully Kean will do. He can be a huge teacher for Niko. And maybe an advisor to Samba.

[roversfan1]

The issue isn't really whether Venky's are willing to spend mega money. I couldn't care less. We were getting no money anyway. If people are going to be mega ###### off if they don't spend big in this window it's a bit petty.

If Roque stays fit he'll be a good addition to our squad. There's no point saying he won't because we can't know that.

This is basically all we KNOW. (We don't know what Samba is thinking, what money Venky's have for certain, their motivations for certain, Roque's fitness etc.)

We had no money -> now we may have money.

We had to sell players to fund the wage bill -> now we don't.

We had Allardyce, hate him or love him -> now we don't.

It's as simple as that, and I cannot see how those statements can be seen as negative overall.

Well said!!

[47er]

I understand what you are trying to say, and the time to judge will indeed will be at the end of January. I know one thing for sure however, we would never have been able to bring RSC back under the Trust regime.

I dont think for one minute that anyone believes signing RSC on loan, and a kid from Barce B proves Venkys mean business, however surely its a step in the right direction, given our squad is thread bare, would you not agree?

No doubt even if we do manage to sign Adam, and 1 or 2 more in this window, people will still question Venkys, and their motives.

One thing it does show is that they are willing to listen to Kean, and allow him to bring in 2 of the targets on his list.

The squad is threadbare but we will have a plethora of strikers---Roberts, Kalinic, Mame Diouf, Benjani and now Roque and the Spanish kid (not done yet I know).

Large number of names on the books for central mid-field but only N'Zonzi looks quality and he seems to have vanished. Dunn maybe..... sometimes. Pedersen here and there.

But I'm yet to hear of anyone we are linked with except Adam whose price seems to shoot up every game. If we don't get him ------who? Keep our powder dry till summer? Heard it all before.

Bentley to Brum---bloody disgrace.

[bob fleming]

Alternatively, if you or bob know of a Bank that will allow an individual or organisation an unlimited spending splurge with their money in the current climate - I'd very much like their phone number!

Your original post said that the imminent signing of RSC proved that they have money. I don't think it proves anything to be honest. You could ring Portsmouth and ask them how they racked up over £100m of debt, aren't Bolton nigh on £100m in debt? It can easily be done I'd suggest. Premier League clubs are very good at it. Credit cards? I doubt it. Maybe they've taken a loan out offset against a herd of chickens or maybe even some Rovers assets.

Anyway, my point being that it proves nothing. You might be right. I hope you're right. I think the best thing for me to do is remove a small part of my brain, the sceptical, untrusting part, and sit back and enjoy the ride. Pass the scissors.

[Bobby G]

Your original post said that the imminent signing of RSC proved that they have money. I don't think it proves anything to be honest. You could ring Portsmouth and ask them how they racked up over £100m of debt, aren't Bolton nigh on £100m in debt? It can easily be done I'd suggest. Premier League clubs are very good at it. Credit cards? I doubt it. Maybe they've taken a loan out offset against a herd of chickens or maybe even some Rovers assets.

Anyway, my point being that it proves nothing. You might be right. I hope you're right. I think the best thing for me to do is remove a small part of my brain, the sceptical, untrusting part, and sit back and enjoy the ride. Pass the scissors.

Excellent post Bob.

[cloggyjimmybrfc]

Ah well!

At least my 8 year old lad is jumping around with excitement now the rocky is back.

Eye of the tiger!...;-)

[pancini]

i cant believe that were on page 13 of this thread and not one person has mentioned that this deal cant possibly go through as he isnt a Kentaro/SEM client

Welcome back Roque keep fit and scoring and we will all be happy

[budha]

i cant believe that were on page 13 of this thread and not one person has mentioned that this deal cant possibly go through as he isnt a Kentaro/SEM client

Welcome back Roque keep fit and scoring and we will all be happy

Perhaps the delay is because he's signing for SEM at the same time