[Archived] Transfer Window Part 4

[dj54nna]

There comes a point with most players when the penny does eventually drop. Look at Clough's great Forest team that included Larry Lloyd, Kenneth Burns and 'Rotund' Robertson. In their early careers, renowned 'bad boys', rough as the proverbial and capable of drinking any bar dry. There are always the exceptions who never change. Based on Barton's form and body language this season (apart from the MGP incident), I'd put him in the former category.

And you'd be daft.

It was quite clear from his interview on SSN on Saturday that he showed absolutely no remorse for punching Pedersen. He just blamed the media on picking on him because of his 'past actions'.

Past actions that have usually involved hospitalising people.

I don't care how good he thinks he is at football - he's a cretin and does not deserve to be anywhere near Rovers.

[JAL]

Problem is, Newcastle don't want to sell, he doesn't want to leave, and has even said he will take a pay cut to extend his stay at the club.

They publicly put out a statement in December saying that they would consider offers for Barton with talk of around £2m price tag.

[67splitscreen]

Practically 20 goals...if we only count league goals then Roque never scored 20 goals in a season.

All of these at the top level:

Ipswich

43(18)

41(16)

50(19)

Charlton

44(22)

35(15)

Spurs

36(8) - his only bad season

43(17)

Sunderland

43(25)

25(11)

Brilliant record.

It's a total mystery to me why there's so many people who think Roque is a great player and who don't think Darren Bent is.

I was not comparing the two as I think you know.

The last two of those seasons at Ipswich were in the first division.

Good striker no doubt and in his prime, would love him here.

[Veevs]

I would never pay £20m for a player that is not a England regular. He was crap at Spurs so Im just glad we dont pay silly money. Invest it on 3 really good players instead.

If we get Rochina, Jones and Vazquez its really good.

I think the Santa Cruz loan will pay off.

In Santa Cruz, Kalinic, Mame Biram Diouf, Benjani and Roberts we have enough strikers.

The midfeld is priority now!

Just a small point on this one..

Mame - Loan so gone at end of season

RSC - Loan so err yeah same gone at end of season

Roberts - Contract ends in summer

Benji - Err yeah same contract ends in summer (1yr extension available if that really counts)

That leaves us with 1 out and out striker.

Just a small point of course..

PS and trying too not go off topic but Bent is worth it.. he is oddly under rated imo and never understood that, he works hard, and is a goal scorer without question in the pl no matter what team he is in.. considering he has never had any proper supply (spurs days where before the midfield they have now) he is pretty damn good, does scare me if he ever gets into a team with a midfield... 30m per year for prem or spend 24m on a player too keep you there?

[folkdevil]

Spoke to someone at Ewood today who said that Diouf fancies a return to Bolton.Can't see that can any of you?

[philipl]

I anticipate Jermain Jones will be unveiled as our midfield enforcer very soon now.

[JAL]

Spoke to someone at Ewood today who said that Diouf fancies a return to Bolton.Can't see that can any of you?

Why not, it makes perfect sense.

[Valois]

They publicly put out a statement in December saying that they would consider offers for Barton with talk of around £2m price tag.

Not according to Alan Pardew

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3314293/Alan-Pardew-Joey-Barton-will-not-be-sold.html

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/football/news/article/-/8659109/newcastle-boss-pardew-reveals-new-contract-talks-planned-for-barton-enrique/

Just reading through a run down of Barton's career, couple of words seem to pop up on a number of occasions. disciplinary, problems, assault, charged, violent, controversial, arrested, fined, appologised, second, and chance.

[dj54nna]

I anticipate Jermain Jones will be unveiled as our midfield enforcer very soon now.

Thanks, Mystic Meg.

[XLM]

06/07 13 G minutes played 2863

07/08 6 G --------------------- 1148

08/09 12 G --------------------- 2174

09/10 24 G -------------------- 3386

10/11 8 G --------------------- 1774

He is one of the better English strikers but guaranteed to get 20 a season ??????

If you work those figures out over full seasons he averages 19 goals a season.

Close enough if you ask me.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Just a small point on this one..

Mame - Loan so gone at end of season

RSC - Loan so err yeah same gone at end of season

Roberts - Contract ends in summer

Benji - Err yeah same contract ends in summer (1yr extension available if that really counts)

That leaves us with 1 out and out striker.

Just a small point of course..

PS and trying too not go off topic but Bent is worth it.. he is oddly under rated imo and never understood that, he works hard, and is a goal scorer without question in the pl no matter what team he is in.. considering he has never had any proper supply (spurs days where before the midfield they have now) he is pretty damn good, does scare me if he ever gets into a team with a midfield... 30m per year for prem or spend 24m on a player too keep you there?

I agree he is under rated - and when we debated this at work - struggled to think of a striker with such a good goal scoring record that has experience of EPL - and is available. However - £24m is just silly season - £15m tops for me.

[JAL]

Just reading through a run down of Barton's career, couple of words seem to pop up on a number of occasions. disciplinary, problems, assault, charged, violent, controversial, arrested, fined, appologised, second, and chance.

It was definitely publicised on the screens and in the papers.

Those words above, can you link any of those to the incoming Jermaine Jones.

[dan323007]

If you work those figures out over full seasons he averages 19 goals a season.

Close enough if you ask me.

I'm new to the site so please be gentle.

If you forget this season as it isn't a full season yet that gives 55 goals over 4 seasons which averages out at 13.75 goals a season if my maths serves me correct.

[m1st]

Right, can I just ask, for the people who would advocate Barton.

Do you have no ethical line? Surely the fact he is a complete tosser should mean you don't want him here. We aren't talking about a bit of a bad attitude here ala Diouf, we're talking full blown criminal thug. You wouldn't p!ss on him if he was on fire, just in case he got up and broke your face.

When the Barcodes signed Barton & Woodgate, a mate of mine who was a lifelong fan of theirs stopped following them and began to follow the Mackems instead.

I couldn't go as far as becoming a dingle if we signed Barton, but I'd certainly think long and hard about following This Great Club Of Ours as avidly as I have for the last 50+ years if it stooped so low as signing a thug like him.

[67splitscreen]

He got 8 in 43 games in his first season with Rovers, 2 in 27 in his second season and 0 in 24 games and two years at Man City.

No figures for Bent available but Roque's assists record is decent for a striker but hardly brilliant.

And the primary job of a striker is to score goals - neither Roque or Bent are the Beardsley or Cantona style of players where they create a ton of goals.

Darren Bent for £18 million is far, far better value than RSC at £18 million.

14 assists in the seasons I previously quoted above.

[Rover & Out]

either way Aston Villa are getting a striker who has consistently scored goals when given the opportunity in the Premiership.

I wouldn't be surprised if he finished as their (Villa) top goal scorer come the end of the season.

they may well have payed over the odds but Sunderland will do well to replace his goals, even with £18m+ to use.

[67splitscreen]

If you work those figures out over full seasons he averages 19 goals a season.

Close enough if you ask me.

Wonderful using your logic we'll concede 65 goals this season.

Perhaps to end this we should accept over the period I quoted he scores one goal for every 180 minutes he's on the park.

Which is as good as any EPL striker I believe, close enough any way.

[Valois]

It was definitely publicised on the screens and in the papers.

Those words above, can you link any of those to the incoming Jermaine Jones.

Jones is certainly no angel, he has had a bit of controversy in his career, but compared to this -

After break­ing into the Man­ches­ter City first team in 2003, he quickly became a first-team reg­u­lar and received an Eng­land U21 call-up the fol­low­ing year. But things began to go down­hill for Bar­ton in Decem­ber 2004 when he stubbed a cig­a­rette out in the eye of youth player Jamie Tandy’s dur­ing the club’s Christ­mas party. He apol­o­gized and was fined six weeks wages (£60,000). In May 2005 he hit a pedes­trian while dri­ving through Liv­er­pool City Cen­tre at 2am, break­ing the man’s leg. Later that sum­mer, Bar­ton was sent home from City’s pre-season tour of Thai­land after he assaulted a 15 year old Ever­ton fan fol­low­ing an alter­ca­tion. He was fined £120,000 by the club and ordered to attend anger man­age­ment ther­apy. In 2005, he under­went a behav­ioural man­age­ment pro­gramme at the Sport­ing Chance Clinic.

Bar­ton appeared to ben­e­fit from this but in 2006, he was inves­ti­gated by the police for expos­ing his rear-end to Ever­ton sup­port­ers fol­low­ing his side’s 1-all draw at Good­i­son Park. In 2007 he was arrested for assault and crim­i­nal dam­age fol­low­ing an argu­ment with a taxi dri­ver, but was later cleared. He attained national infamy that May when he assaulted team-mate Ous­mane Dabo dur­ing a train­ing ses­sion, inflict­ing head injuries and a sus­pected detached retina. Dabo pressed charged and Bar­ton was handed a 4-month sus­pended sen­tence, 200 hours of com­mu­nity ser­vice, and was made to pay £3000 in com­pen­sa­tion to his vic­tim. As a result of the attack, Bar­ton was imme­di­ately placed on the trans­fer list.

The then New­cas­tle man­ager Sam Allardyce (of all peo­ple) signed Bar­ton for £5.8m in the sum­mer of 2007, and it wasn’t long before the fiery Liv­er­pudlian was court­ing con­tro­versy again. In his first ever Tyne-Wear derby he went in high-footed on Sunderland’s Dick­son Etuhu, prompt­ing the News of the World’s cry to ‘ban him’. Bar­ton later apol­o­gised for the tackle.

His con­tri­tion was short-lived, how­ever, as in Decem­ber 2007 a drunken Bar­ton was arrested in Liv­er­pool on sus­pi­cion of assault and due to for­mer con­vic­tions, was remanded in cus­tody. The pre­sid­ing mag­is­trate said ‘I have to con­sider the safety of the pub­lic. You lashed out indis­crim­i­nately.’ And well might he be con­cerned; CCTV footage showed Bar­ton punch­ing a man uncon­scious then break­ing a teenager’s teeth. He served 77 days of a six-month sen­tence and apol­o­gized, again.

[Kelbo]

He got 8 in 43 games in his first season with Rovers, 2 in 27 in his second season and 0 in 24 games and two years at Man City.

No figures for Bent available but Roque's assists record is decent for a striker but hardly brilliant.

And the primary job of a striker is to score goals - neither Roque or Bent are the Beardsley or Cantona style of players where they create a ton of goals.

Darren Bent for £18 million is far, far better value than RSC at £18 million.

But we havent paid that for Roque, his first touch is better than Bent, holds the ball up well and his link up play even on Saturday, playing people in to the game, with Kalinic alongside I think we will see a great pairing and he is a real threat in the air.

[Oklahoma]

Barton would be in jail if he didn't play football. We already have Diouf, no more need for bad publicity and trouble makers.

[BuckyRover]

Jones is certainly no angel, he has had a bit of controversy in his career, but compared to this -

After break­ing into the Man­ches­ter City first team in 2003, he quickly became a first-team reg­u­lar and received an Eng­land U21 call-up the fol­low­ing year. But things began to go down­hill for Bar­ton in Decem­ber 2004 when he stubbed a cig­a­rette out in the eye of youth player Jamie Tandy’s dur­ing the club’s Christ­mas party. He apol­o­gized and was fined six weeks wages (£60,000). In May 2005 he hit a pedes­trian while dri­ving through Liv­er­pool City Cen­tre at 2am, break­ing the man’s leg. Later that sum­mer, Bar­ton was sent home from City’s pre-season tour of Thai­land after he assaulted a 15 year old Ever­ton fan fol­low­ing an alter­ca­tion. He was fined £120,000 by the club and ordered to attend anger man­age­ment ther­apy. In 2005, he under­went a behav­ioural man­age­ment pro­gramme at the Sport­ing Chance Clinic.

Bar­ton appeared to ben­e­fit from this but in 2006, he was inves­ti­gated by the police for expos­ing his rear-end to Ever­ton sup­port­ers fol­low­ing his side’s 1-all draw at Good­i­son Park. In 2007 he was arrested for assault and crim­i­nal dam­age fol­low­ing an argu­ment with a taxi dri­ver, but was later cleared. He attained national infamy that May when he assaulted team-mate Ous­mane Dabo dur­ing a train­ing ses­sion, inflict­ing head injuries and a sus­pected detached retina. Dabo pressed charged and Bar­ton was handed a 4-month sus­pended sen­tence, 200 hours of com­mu­nity ser­vice, and was made to pay £3000 in com­pen­sa­tion to his vic­tim. As a result of the attack, Bar­ton was imme­di­ately placed on the trans­fer list.

The then New­cas­tle man­ager Sam Allardyce (of all peo­ple) signed Bar­ton for £5.8m in the sum­mer of 2007, and it wasn’t long before the fiery Liv­er­pudlian was court­ing con­tro­versy again. In his first ever Tyne-Wear derby he went in high-footed on Sunderland’s Dick­son Etuhu, prompt­ing the News of the World’s cry to ‘ban him’. Bar­ton later apol­o­gised for the tackle.

His con­tri­tion was short-lived, how­ever, as in Decem­ber 2007 a drunken Bar­ton was arrested in Liv­er­pool on sus­pi­cion of assault and due to for­mer con­vic­tions, was remanded in cus­tody. The pre­sid­ing mag­is­trate said ‘I have to con­sider the safety of the pub­lic. You lashed out indis­crim­i­nately.’ And well might he be con­cerned; CCTV footage showed Bar­ton punch­ing a man uncon­scious then break­ing a teenager’s teeth. He served 77 days of a six-month sen­tence and apol­o­gized, again.

He's changed!

Ha

[XLM]

I'm new to the site so please be gentle.

If you forget this season as it isn't a full season yet that gives 55 goals over 4 seasons which averages out at 13.75 goals a season if my maths serves me correct.

He played all but about half an hour in his 24 goal season, so assuming he played every minute of every game in all those 4 seasons (becuase this one hasn't finished and he was injuryed/on the bench for the other seasons) he would average over 19 goals a season.

[Roverdale]

Excellent Darren Bent discussion, I especially enjoyed the parts about potential Blackburn Rovers FC signings. Would read again, 8.5/10

Could NOT have put it better myself. All that has been established today in terms of BRFC signings is that Darren Bent isn't going to be one. I think we all deserve a big pat on the back.

[nicko]

Just a few brief updates.

CHARLIE ADAM...Holloway has told all of his players today that he won't be selling anyone - because Blackpool can't buy replacements...that is very much his stance...Villa likely to make an improved bid...but unless the player goes on strike - which I doubt - this one may have to be shelved for all buyers until the summer.

JONES...on huge wages at Schalke...but about to come on a share-salary basis on loan.

ROCHINA...his contract at Barca is up in summer...so the 'hold-up' is presumably over what the fee would be now...may happen sooner...a bit like Larsson.

SAMBA...hear rumours of some drama going to happen there this week...and the outcome could be a surprise.

WARNOCK...Villa still trying to sign his replacement...I don't think he will come back to Rovers the way things stand.

STEVE KEAN'S TRIP...I would expect there may be some news out of that very shortly...no surprise if he signed his deal...the owners have said often enough.

[Roverdale]

PAINFULLY slow.. if we miss out on Rochina 'waiting' until the Summer I will be devastated. Nicko am I right to understand you don't think VV is coming at all? Or do you just not happen to have any news on that front? To be honest he is the player I am most excited to see in a Rovers shirt from all these rumours.