[Archived] Transfer Window Part 5

[Roost]

Have we actually made a bid on anybody so far this window? If not, thats worrying given that its the 23rd January today.

Not sure I agree with their strategy of openly discussing who their targets are but never following it up with a bid.

[philipl]

And Samba goes.

That is the extremely scary one with only 8 days left of the window.

[CrazyIvan]

That is the extremely scary one with only 8 days left of the window.

Has anyone actually put a bid in for Big Chris yet?

[whittle blue]

Have we actually made a bid on anybody so far this window?

My thoughts exactly, sir.

[JAL]

And Samba goes.

To me that would suggest they have no money.

[heysham rover]

I can't realistically see arsenal coming in for him at the level of fee we would command plus I just don't think he has the technical quality to play in a top 5 team.

Collins had a cracking game yesterday for Villa and with the massive outlay on Bent I'm not so sure they would be willing to commit themselves to another big fee at the moment. They should have more than enough to avoid relegation.

[SAS]

My thoughts exactly, sir.

Larsson

However we have two top players on loan costing us 150k pw

[imy9]

I said at the start that the time to judge the manager and Venkys would be at the end of the window, we are close to it now so IMO:

1. As long as our key personnel are with us after the window shuts it has been a hugely successful window.

2. Jones and RSC have addressed areas that are weak for us and with Grella, Nzonzi and co back from injuries we are virtually at full strength- a big positive heading into a key period in the season.

3. If we win today we go 7th and I will confidently say that Kean has done a good job so far.

4. I would rather wait til the summer to purchase Rochina, Vasquez and Larsson for ZERO transfer fees rather than pay £3 million plus now, there is no urgency.

5. Unless things have changed purchases are still conducted by JW, even if targets and money is supplied from others?

[philipl]

Has anyone actually put a bid in for Big Chris yet?

Thankfully no and I would happily trade us not making a realistic bid for anyone for nobody realistically bidding for Samba. Perhaps I am not the only one thinking that way.

[Kelbo]

I said at the start that the time to judge the manager and Venkys would be at the end of the window, we are close to it now so IMO:

1. As long as our key personnel are with us after the window shuts it has been a hugely successful window.

2. Jones and RSC have addressed areas that are weak for us and with Grella, Nzonzi and co back from injuries we are virtually at full strength- a big positive heading into a key period in the season.

3. If we win today we go 7th and I will confidently say that Kean has done a good job so far.

4. I would rather wait til the summer to purchase Rochina, Vasquez and Larsson for ZERO transfer fees rather than pay £3 million plus now, there is no urgency.

5. Unless things have changed purchases are still conducted by JW, even if targets and money is supplied from others?

I think you will find things have changed on that score but I will leave that to people who know more than I do.

We do need a top midfielder/playmaker desperately if we are to progress or even maintain or position in the league, Villa and Liverpool will push on now and Wolves, West Ham and Wigan are perhaps along with Birmingham and West Brom the only clubs who really are worse than us in temrs of ability, however, should we not win today, it will leave us facing difficult away games where we need to pick up points.

I am not too bothered about 'big name' signings, they mean nothing apart from making a statement, Formica, O'Hara and the like would be fine for me, not overly expensive but better than what we have!!

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

If he has, then that is a very easy and quick transaction because they put there money where there mouth is and got the man.

starting to get slightly annoyed and frustrated about being linked to players, publicly saying we want them, and not doing the one key thing you have to to make it happen.

and with Larsson, apparently Kean says we have bid our maximum price. If you want the player now, you pay to get him now! 500k more is pocket change in the EPL

we just appear to dance around like school children at a disco, who send their friends over to the opposite sex to say "my mate likes you," and then run away

Strangely I am in the opposite camp - why waste money ? We still have to be seen as financially sound - the fact that we bid for a player who is out of contract in the summer is actually a step on from a few months ago, when we would have had to wait until the summer to purchase for free.

Reality is we don't know what is going on in the background - from what Nicko says Larsson has committed to Rovers when he is out of contract - IF that is the case why overspend ? Birmingham will know this - come towards the end of the transfer window they may decide that £500k is better than nothing. The other two Barca players are also out of contract in the summer.

It may be frustrating - but I won't waste my own money - so why should we expect Venky's to waste theirs ?

[daveoftherovers]

Strangely I am in the opposite camp - why waste money ? We still have to be seen as financially sound - the fact that we bid for a player who is out of contract in the summer is actually a step on from a few months ago, when we would have had to wait until the summer to purchase for free.

Reality is we don't know what is going on in the background - from what Nicko says Larsson has committed to Rovers when he is out of contract - IF that is the case why overspend ? Birmingham will know this - come towards the end of the transfer window they may decide that £500k is better than nothing. The other two Barca players are also out of contract in the summer.

It may be frustrating - but I won't waste my own money - so why should we expect Venky's to waste theirs ?

The voice of reason DavidMailsTightPerm, it'll never catch on in here you know!!!! LOL

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

And Samba goes.

If that happens and no one else comes in this would be a bad window. Two loan guys with poor injury records , one of whom has never played in this competition before coming in and our best outfield player leaving would not be a smart move.

[AspRover]

Have we actually made a bid on anybody so far this window? If not, thats worrying given that its the 23rd January today.

Not sure I agree with their strategy of openly discussing who their targets are but never following it up with a bid.

Particularly as we're used to doing things the opposite way around - that is, when we had scraped enough money together - often the first thing we'd hear about a transfer is when a player turned up for a medical.

[BRFCS Content]

This is Kamy.

There is still over a week left until the transfer window closes, there is plenty of time for business to get done.

This transfer window is interesting for me in that thus far new owners are doing precisely what Mrs Desai said in her initial interviews when the takeover was completed (Leasing Model and a budget of £5 million). If that is the case then it is no bad thing, it is £5 million more than what we have had previously and it will show that the owners will only spend what they can afford (which is good).

If we end up spending more then the £5 million then it will show that the owners are flexible and are willing to spend money on the right players.

The Mauro Formica thing is very very weird, why Rovers aren't buying him direct is really puzzling, they know the fee. Allegedly he is going to be bought by a management company who are acting on behalf of Red Star Belgrade and then loaned to Rovers. I imagine that the management company are hoping that he is success and therefore can be sold to either Rovers or another club for a profit. If this is true, then the management get around the third party rules by acting on behalf of Red Star Belgrade. The only reason I can see for Rovers being interested in this kind of arrangement is that they are not 100% sure that the player will be able to perform in the Premier League, so this way they get to test him before buying him.

For what it is worth I have heard that Rovers are still chasing players and expect developments before the end of the transfer window.

[ada2020]

I really do not see how anyone can complain about this window, four months ago we had to sign benjani on a temporary contract just to make up numbers.

We now have cruz and jones (though I must confess to knowing little about jones) both of whom should technically improve our first team and squad.

Whoever said just pay what's needed for Larsson needs to get a grip, why pay more than we need to for a player we do not desperately need this side of May.

I am concerned that the owners may not be willing to plough the money into the club that we hope, but I still do not know how people can say they do not have the money to do so, they so clearly do despite the best efforts of others to prove otherwise.

My verdict on the window is: quietly content.

[Roost]

This is Kamy.

The Mauro Formica thing is very very weird, why Rovers aren't buying him direct is really puzzling, they know the fee. Allegedly he is going to be bought by a management company who are acting on behalf of Red Star Belgrade and then loaned to Rovers. I imagine that the management company are hoping that he is success and therefore can be sold to either Rovers or another club for a profit.

This bit really confuses me. If he is available for £3.5 - £4M as an unknown quantity, then that has surely makes more sense to take the risk of buying him at that price because if he is successful his price could increase three or four fold. Kean has said he is a 'fantastic' player, and there are not many of those around for £4M.

Weird

[Guest linganzi]

Why would we bid for formica? Surely red star do that

[PAFELL]

I really do not see how anyone can complain about this window, four months ago we had to sign benjani on a temporary contract just to make up numbers.

We now have cruz and jones (though I must confess to knowing little about jones) both of whom should technically improve our first team and squad.

Whoever said just pay what's needed for Larsson needs to get a grip, why pay more than we need to for a player we do not desperately need this side of May.

I am concerned that the owners may not be willing to plough the money into the club that we hope, but I still do not know how people can say they do not have the money to do so, they so clearly do despite the best efforts of others to prove otherwise.

My verdict on the window is: quietly content.

I realise that many on here are saying judge the new owners after this transfer window. But there are many judgements and opinions that could be formed.

If they went out and spent a load of money on 4 or 5 players. Some would say that was a good transfer window for Rovers.

Yet some would complain they have spent money Rovers cannot afford or have increased the wage bill even further.

If they bring in loan players in this window because they know it will be better to trade and buy players during the summer, when some players come to the end of their contracts. Some would say that is being prudent. Why spend money on transfers when those same players will be free in 6 months time. Some would say that is good window for Rovers. If Rovers are also able to sell or loan some of the ones they don't want, such as chimbonda and yet retain the ones they want. My view is that would be a successful window, yet others would differ.

I also suggest that as some of the injred players are coming back, it may be sound to wait 6 months. Most the players coming back from injury have played Sams style of football - we have yet to see them play the way Kean wants them too - so that is something to bear in mind.

So I do not think it would be right just to judge the owners - any owners just on this transfer window. As we all have different opinions and expectations on what should be or shouldn't be done.

As things stand today Rovers are in a fairly good place in the league, could even go 7th today and not in a relegation battle. So 6 months to see how the players coming back from injury play under Kean, 6 months to wait to get the players they want for free in the summer, rather than play inflated transfer fees. Rovers can afford to do this.

The two loan players that Rovers have taken on may well be sufficient for the rest of the season.

[47er]

Strangely I am in the opposite camp - why waste money ? We still have to be seen as financially sound - the fact that we bid for a player who is out of contract in the summer is actually a step on from a few months ago, when we would have had to wait until the summer to purchase for free.

Reality is we don't know what is going on in the background - from what Nicko says Larsson has committed to Rovers when he is out of contract - IF that is the case why overspend ? Birmingham will know this - come towards the end of the transfer window they may decide that £500k is better than nothing. The other two Barca players are also out of contract in the summer.

It may be frustrating - but I won't waste my own money - so why should we expect Venky's to waste theirs ?

Everybody and I mean everybody knows we needed two central mid-fielders when the window began. Ireland is available on loan isn't he? As was Bentley. How is that "wasting" money? They'd pay for themselves with the movement up the table.

Ronaldinho, Beckham etc-------overthehill 30+------That's wasting money.Venkys don't mind wasting money, they just want to waste it in the wrong direction!

Please don't keep saying its better than under the Trust, that was the whole point after all.

Still---8 days to go.......

[PAFELL]

Everybody and I mean everybody knows we needed two central mid-fielders when the window began. Ireland is available on loan isn't he? As was Bentley. How is that "wasting" money? They'd pay for themselves with the movement up the table.

Ronaldinho, Beckham etc-------overthehill 30+------That's wasting money.Venkys don't mind wasting money, they just want to waste it in the wrong direction!

Please don't keep saying its better than under the Trust, that was the whole point after all.

Still---8 days to go.......

Rovers already have two loan players (mama diouf, RSC) from the prem, so could not go for a Ireland on loan. Rovers also needed a striker, hence RSC coming in.

[steo]

RSB have no money,If we sign no one it's not been a good transfer window,Kean said upto 5 signings in his first interview,sadly i doubt he has much input into transfers bit like JW,it appears to be Anderson that's pulling the strings.

Why sign Larsson in the summer he's just an average player with a half decent delivery he aint going to move us forward.as for Vicente,he's just back in favour at Valencia and will have many suitors.

[Billy Castell]

At least we have 2 players on loan, which is more than usual. Don't bother trying to tell me what is going on with this Formica, it sounds very odd. Surely if he is good, we can just buy him? And I'd rather make the effort in signing a 'big name' for the summer, since we're in Bosman territory.

[Mercer]

Strangely I am in the opposite camp - why waste money ?

Good point.

How we manage transfer activity should not be rocket science. It should be basic bloody commonsense. Many think it could have been done much better this window. First statement should have been 'we will always be on the look out for opportunities to strengthen our team'. Full stop, all that was needed. Instead, a budget is mentioned which doesn't seem to be widely understood generally and all sorts of names are mentioned Ronaldinho, Duff, Adam etc etc. Gets the supporters all hyped-up and likely disappointment will follow.

If I was a betting man, which I am, I would bet on Rochina landing for £1m and that's the lot, unless Big Chris ends-up at Arsenal.

On the bright side, win today and we are seventh. Off for lunch and a few bevvies and then on to the match where I confidently predict we will breeze it 3 or 4 goals to 1.

[greco]

if kean wants to play the arsenal way, we definetly need a creative midfielder. So i wonder why the club, seems so slow to get one.

to me, the rsc loan, wasnt a priority, the key area in need of strenghtening, is the midfield and so far, we only brought in a destroyer/box to box midfielder.

i dont know anything about jones, so hopefully he will play today and prove to be good.