[Archived] Entertainment or Result Is All That Matters?

[tony gale's mic]

I don't think the two are possible with the budget restraints that he was put under. Let's face it the team was plundered something horrid.

I think Moyes even had more to work with over the last few seasons. The only other team I can think of whom could be construed as in a similar boat. Look at what he is enduring now, pretty much the same as Sam last season with more flair players.

I don't believe it is honestly possible to do the two.

Well...yes exactly. And moyes had considerably more to spend - he spent over 25 million combined on two midfielders alone.

[jim mk2]

I wanted him out, and I'd renew if we got relegated - in fact I was considering not renewing at the start of this season for the first time since the early 1980's because of the style of football under Sam's reign.

Been there in the lower divisions, seen it, done it. The Prem is not the be all and end all - despite what Sky would have people believe. So long as there's a Rovers to go to, I'm happy - whatever division we're in and provided we're not playing neanderthal football.

It's unbelievable that a so-called "supporter" can post rubbish like this.

[den]

Some people advocate putting "battling" above all else; being tough to beat and slightly less "subtle" going forward (these are the Allardyce/"dogs of war" fans). Others would prefer to see our players use their skill, technique and guile to take on opposing teams.

No, totally wrong. We would all like to see the second option as long as it resulted in - well - results. This whole argument is essentially about whether the squad of players that Allardyce had at his disposal, was good enough to play a more open game while at the very least maintaining the same points total.

Some thought not, some thought so, some didn't care as long as Allardyce went.

[broadsword]

Winning first and foremost.

That's we did under Dalglish. The team was pretty direct then. No-one was moaning about long balls were they? Probably 'cos Shearer got on the end of them and scored.

It's not long passes that annoy people (because it's still a pass), it's aimless balls shot like a cannonball in a vague forward direction. But then again, that is unlikely to be winning football anyway.

Allardyce was more of a victim of circumstance than anythign else, but it caused an unfortunate association, given his past, with absolutely gash football. This overlooks the players he had at Bolton, and is unfair. But anyone would have struggled with the squad he had. How we stayed up with it is a pi55-take really.

But I will always take the win, but I'd only want to win ugly if we couldn't win well.

[Mercer]

Rovers' supporters are a fickle lot and I also think there is a lack of real passion as evidenced by our away support in numbers, bar the odd game, in recent times. If relegated, gates will plummet.

To maintain a decent gate at Ewood, PL status is essential together with a very competitive price (very elastic demand). As many have mentioned, PL status has to be the first objective, I'll settle for the 'ugly win' every time, but I think we are now on a wing and a prayer with our new owners and manager.

If we go down, we could be finished for good.

[McClarky]

Under Hughes we were tough and fought for results but also did it with some style. That is the way to do it. For me good football means being positive which is more likely to get results than any other approach. Refer to almost any team who have ever achieved anything if you want evidence of this.

[MarkBRFC71]

It's unbelievable that a so-called "supporter" can post rubbish like this.

Cheers Meldrew. Thanks for yet another pointless, witless, senseless troll. Something you're quite the master of.

Care to enlighten us with a sensible, considered, reasoned adult opinion or is that asking too much?

[jim mk2]

Cheers Meldrew. Thanks for yet another pointless, witless, senseless troll. Something you're quite the master of.

Care to enlighten us with a sensible, considered, reasoned adult opinion or is that asking too much?

I would suggest your post is more of a "troll" because you are in a minority on this issue and it is obvious you are just seeking attention.

There's very little I can add to the myriad number of posts pointing out why you are wrong. As had been pointed out the argument is just going round in circles. I suggest you read those posts again and again and take on board what sensible folk are saying.

[tony gale's mic]

Under Hughes we were tough and fought for results but also did it with some style. That is the way to do it. For me good football means being positive which is more likely to get results than any other approach. Refer to almost any team who have ever achieved anything if you want evidence of this.

Your posts are literally nonsense.

Any team who has ever achieved has usually had bags of money, at least in the current era. Totally irrelevant to bring that up.

I've said it once and I'll say it again - Under Hughes we played good football for a while but in his final season or so there were numerous complaints on here about how ugly things had got. I didn't mind too much but we were bottom of the fair play league for every season too.

Even taking that into account that's just one manager in the last ten years. Take a look at all the other smaller clubs in this league. How commonly does a team achieve sustained comfortable positions on a small budget while playing nice football?

Rarely, right? Then why do folks like you unrealistically expect it?

[Exiled in Toronto]

I would suggest your post is more of a "troll" because you are in a minority on this issue and it is obvious you are just seeking attention.

There's very little I can add to the myriad number of posts pointing out why you are wrong. As had been pointed out the argument is just going round in circles. I suggest you read those posts again and again and take on board what sensible folk are saying.

Ahh, eveyone should agree with the majority. That makes sense, even though the question is clearly one of personal preference rather than empirical proof.

This board is already boring enough with every thread clogged up by a dozen Venky's-are-evil serial posters.

[Mattyblue]

Rovers' supporters are a fickle lot and I also think there is a lack of real passion as evidenced by our away support in numbers, bar the odd game, in recent times.

Utter, utter rubbish.

Rovers and Bolton are similar clubs with similar fanbases and we take similar away followings. Is that a lack of passion? No, it is years of being in the PL and no longer seeing the need to pay top whack for games at Old Trafford etc.

Reasonable price at Reebok- 4000 for a tv game,, same at Wigan- 4500 sell out. Good price at West Brom- 2000.

Plus, our away support has not been as raucous for many a year.

Still, we can't be as passionate as those Clarets, can we Mercer?

[MarkBRFC71]

Yeah, I believe you Mark, but there's thousands of fans who wont renew if we go down. If we were to go down and continue losing, we would continue losing fans, no matter what kind of football we played. If we went down and started winning, the gates would rise again. That's a bit simplified, but it is what happens. In reply to someone earlier who posted that entertaining football puts bums on seats - that's simply not true. Winning football puts bums on seats.

Agreed to some extent.

It's a sad indictment of the modern game though if the best we can hope for is mid-table mediocrity playing dull, percentage football every season. It all comes back to money, and the pressure of staying on the gravy train in the Premier League. The cost of going down is too great and the game as a spectacle is dying off as a result. I know we had some great times in it's early days, and winning the League was the pinnacle for every Rovers fan but looking back now, the inception of the Premier League was when football started to turn a little sour for me.

We need to either change the way the wealth is distributed, apply some kind of wage cap, or change to way points are scored to try to instil open, attacking football. Unfortunately while Sky are able to sell the Big 4/5 worldwide, we're only ever going to be the little boys making up the numbers.

I would suggest your post is more of a "troll" because you are in a minority on this issue and it is obvious you are just seeking attention.

There's very little I can add to the myriad number of posts pointing out why you are wrong. As had been pointed out the argument is just going round in circles. I suggest you read those posts again and again and take on board what sensible folk are saying.

Read them thanks. My post was responding to a question from Den which obviously in your rush to troll you missed.

My post is my opinion - it's different from yours - deal with it like an adult. I'm not wrong, neither are you. Our opinions differ. I can accept that - you seem incapable of doing so. You're very childlike in that respect.

[jim mk2]

Ahh, eveyone should agree with the majority. That makes sense, even though the question is clearly one of personal preference rather than empirical proof.

This board is already boring enough with every thread clogged up by a dozen Venky's-are-evil serial posters.

I never said Venky's are evil; incompetant yes, but not evil.

[thenodrog]

your first paragraph, reminds of a situation, where a boxer cant outbox the other, he knows it, and everbody else knows, so what did he do.. well take a look ;-)

put our team out with such conviction, determination and a bit of ability, then i would be happy watching us all day everyday. Just like you, i loved the bully-boy tag we got. LOVED IT

A golden era of middleweight boxing like no other. If Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hit Man Hearns were Premier League teams they'd be MU and Chelsea whilst Sugar Ray Leonard would be boxings equivalent of Arsenal. Without their skills, talent and ability our only hope to match em would be to emulate the bruiser that they all feared.... Roberto Duran.

Great stuff greco.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I never said Venky's are evil; incompetant yes, but not evil.

Oh, the irony! What was your past career again?

[jim mk2]

Read them thanks. My post was responding to a question from Den which obviously in your rush to troll you missed.

My post is my opinion - it's different from yours - deal with it like an adult. I'm not wrong, neither are you. Our opinions differ. I can accept that - you seem incapable of doing so. You're very childlike in that respect.

You might have read them but you obviously don't understand them or have stuck your head in the sand over the long-term consequences for Rovers of preferring to watch "attractive" football in a lower division over our continuing presence in the Premier League.

[Exiled in Toronto]

A golden era of middleweight boxing like no other. If Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hit Man Hearns were Premier League teams they'd be MU and Chelsea whilst Sugar Ray Leonard would be boxings equivalent of Arsenal. Without their skills, talent and ability our only hope to match em would be to emulate the bruiser that they all feared.... Roberto Duran.

Great stuff greco.

We were NEVER Roberto Duran under any manager. Although the way we were humiliated and quit at OT might be likened to the Leonard/Durna rematch.

[jim mk2]

Oh, the irony! What was your past career again?

Slip of the old quill pen dear boy.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Slip of the old quill pen dear boy.

Yes, could happen to anyone. It's so frustrating though watching other people make basic mistakes, as I'm sure you'll agree.

[thenodrog]

I would be interested to know how many of the folk who wanted Allardyce out of here, would actually renew their ST's if the worst came to the worst and we were relegated because of the changes made this season.

Not many Den. Most are young dreamers, shallow of thought and emotion. BRFC is not wire in the blood to them.

[thenodrog]

I wanted him out, and I'd renew if we got relegated - in fact I was considering not renewing at the start of this season for the first time since the early 1980's because of the style of football under Sam's reign.

Been there in the lower divisions, seen it, done it. The Prem is not the be all and end all - despite what Sky would have people believe. So long as there's a Rovers to go to, I'm happy - whatever division we're in and provided we're not playing neanderthal football.

What makes you assume that we wont play neanderthal football in the 3rd Div? I've seen it! Believe me neanderthal football is much more watchable in the Prem.

[Jimmy612]

If he changed his ways, he could still be in a job right now.

No he wouldn't, unless changing his ways means becoming a yes-man for Venkys

[thenodrog]

Some thought not, some thought so, some didn't care as long as Allardyce went.

Seems to me that the facebook rent-a-mob goons never got over him making fools of them Den.

[bep]

Not many Den. Most are young dreamers, shallow of thought and emotion. BRFC is not wire in the blood to them.

Not many Den. Most are young dreamers, shallow of thought and emotion. BRFC is not wire in the blood to them.

Im no young dreamer, i have supported BRFC for 50 plus years but can honestly say if a change to the manager had not happened it would have been my last.I have never been ashamed as what i was watching us put up a no show for Man Utd game away and his tatics are and always have been deplorable .He sets out to totaly destroy the game i love, i don't expect us to play like Barcelona but expect us to compete and try to play the game the way it is supposed to be played.The game is all about opinion and if someone does not agree with your opinion doesn't mean they are young or dreamers or that BRFC is not in there blood ,it just means there preferences are different.

[thenodrog]

We were NEVER Roberto Duran under any manager.

Where did I say we were? My opinion was that we should metaphorically try to emulate him.