[Archived] Entertainment or Result Is All That Matters?

[JMillZz]

I just said sacking him in December was crazy?

I don't even see how we disagree, sacking Sam was stupid, and promoting Kean on a permanent contract was the icing on the cake.

Big Sam was always going to be stable. If we were going to sack him, doing so in Summer would have left us more time to stabilise and not derailed our steady progress.

So what you're saying is, after sacking Sam Kean was a good choice?

I have agreed with you, yet I'm stupid...eh?

Yeah that's true, but I'm talking in relation to a dogfight - we need an experienced head like Sam more than ever. When I say 'now', I just mean especially now.

He proved in 2009 he can get a struggling team out of trouble.

Yeah Sam don't agree with what he says! Or else you're essentially disagreeing and warrant being called stupid... Or something...

[Guest CAMVENKYS]

Was there not a poll about venkys on this site,the majority wanted them now you don't,you have them and they will do as they want,entertianment is what they want,if its in the premier great i see every game live,if its in the championship i see only a few games,but there is talk of venkys buying a tv company in india,so i may get lucky.

[Iceman]

Gordon, I was getting to the point, that if the owners wanted rid of Sam, best it got done in the summer. I agree, if we ended in the top half, then no need to replace him.

Given the current situation, and what has happened before, its no wonder the owners are being ridiculed for their behaviour. They are shocked at comments made by the fans? Well, the fans are more shocked at the ludicrous decisions that were made. The only people right now, who deserve an ounce of respect, is the supporters of this club. They don't deserve any respect, when they themselves have failed to respect the request of various agreements that were made.

I'll make no secret of it, I hated the football Sam played, but at the same time, I felt comfortable that he would keep us up. I also admit that I'm a Sam fan, and in no way should he or JW have been treated the way they were. Between JW and Sam, there was a bond, respect for one another, and the fans as well. The working conditions were pleasant, despite the frustrations of having no money.

We spent a little money, but the signings have done nothing. Its like we have not spent any money, and in theory, we might have saved that money and not signed anybody. We are in disarray, and unless the Venkys realise what is happening, we could be in big trouble if its not sorted out immediately.

[thenodrog]

I'll make no secret of it, I hated the football Sam played, but at the same time, I felt comfortable that he would keep us up.

But thats the inevitable price you have to pay Iceman when supporting a financially weak club. I can find no alternative examples of teams that play open expansive football from a continual low budget situation that have managed a long stay in the Premier League. Can you?

Mark Hughes + no investment. = 4-5-1 dull turgid survival football. Natural leader of men.

Mark Hughes + investment = Solid aggressive football and inevitable top half / UEFA placing.

Paul Ince =/- investment. A sideways and backwards passing disaster. Serious relegation probability. Definitely not a leader of men.

Sam Allardyce + No investment = 4-5-1 dull turgid survival football. Natural leader of men.

Sam Allardyce + investment = ? Probably the previous BWFC model with JJ / Anelka / Djorkaeff / Campo to supplement and bond energetic journeymen. Inevitable top half / UEFA placing.

Steve Kean... See Paul Ince. Relegation probability. Yes man and consequentally definitely not a leader of men.

The reallity is that no manager on earth will win the Prem or even get into the CL with BRFC that is an absolute certainty. Alternatively I can think of plenty of managers that would take them down to the Championship.

[Iceman]

But thats the inevitable price you have to pay Iceman when supporting a financially weak club. I can find no alternative examples of teams that play open expansive football from a continual low budget situation that have managed a long stay in the Premier League. Can you?

This is a point that i have continuously stressed upon, and one which the fans still try to overlook. Its okay to want to play good, entertaining football, however, you can only play that with players who are capable, and who are comfortable at doing that.For that to happen, you have to spend some serious money, are we prepared to do that? only time will tell, but right now, survival is all that matters.

This is something, that Steve Kean is failing to grasp at the moment. If the fans can see this, then why on earth does Kean not seem to be able to pick up on this. No need to review a game on video, if you watched the game closely, and you know what and where things have gone wrong, then as a collective unit, management and players, you sit down and sort it out. You dont need to watch it again via video, it should have been imprinted into their heads of what went wrong.

[dunc]

A lot of people just wanted Allardyce out and to hell with the consequences. I heard and read many a comment stating that they didn't care if it meant relegation, they just wanted him out fulll stop.

In the pub before the West Brom game Allardyce was in the Sky studio. As soon as he appeared on the screen there was widespread abuse hurled at the screen.

I wonder what these people think now.

[Jimmy612]

A lot of people just wanted Allardyce out and to hell with the consequences. I heard and read many a comment stating that they didn't care if it meant relegation, they just wanted him out fulll stop.

In the pub before the West Brom game Allardyce was in the Sky studio. As soon as he appeared on the screen there was widespread abuse hurled at the screen.

I wonder what these people think now.

It is quite unbelievable but I would hazard a guess that those complete idiots would probably still defend their hatred of Sam.

People seem to forget that when he took over we were a club in dire straits and that when he left we were a top 10 club, had 21 points in the bag before Christmas and a terrific little run of fixtures coming up.

The sam haters haven't gone anywhere, but rather than the moronic 'get sam out' and booing at 3-0 up against Wolves, they have reverted to a very common quote often heard on here. 'I never liked Sam but I didn't agree with sacking him at the time'

[Mattyblue]

Or the even more ridicuous;

'now is the time we need someone like Sam'

The idiocy and irony of that statement sums up a large section of ourn fanbase.

[Lytham]

The title of this thread looks like a sick joke now, after the way things have gone since it was first posted.

[Miker]

Or the even more ridicuous;

'now is the time we need someone like Sam'

The idiocy and irony of that statement sums up a large section of ourn fanbase.

One of the most annoying statements made on this board.

[True Blue & White]

The title of this thread looks like a sick joke now, after the way things have gone since it was first posted.

So does the 'Sustained Attempt To Undermine the Club' one.

[spencey7]

The sam haters haven't gone anywhere, but rather than the moronic 'get sam out' and booing at 3-0 up against Wolves, they have reverted to a very common quote often heard on here. 'I never liked Sam but I didn't agree with sacking him at the time'

I prefer to opt for: "I never liked Allardyce and completely agreed with sacking him at the time."

I'm not the only one.

[Mattyblue]

Fair enough spencey, do you feel the CLUB is in a better or worse state since his departure?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I prefer to opt for: "I never liked Allardyce and completely agreed with sacking him at the time."

I'm not the only one.

Looks like you're the only one prepared to admit it though !

[Jimmy612]

I prefer to opt for: "I never liked Allardyce and completely agreed with sacking him at the time."

I bet you were delighted when Ince was appointed weren't you?

It's unbelievable to me how people can't admire Sam as a manager. Going down with no money, to 10th and a semi-final in a year and a half.

Who would your choice of manager have been after Allardyce went?

[thenodrog]

I prefer to opt for: "I never liked Allardyce and completely agreed with sacking him at the time."

I'm not the only one.

No indeed you are not! Burnleys chock full of em!

[onlyonejackwalker]

I am sure there is now 100% agreement on this board that a result is all that matters tomorrow.

We have sold 1700 tickets and have a good following. I doubt any of them will care if we win 1-0 with a bobbled shot off his knee from Roberts when one on one.

COYB.

[Kennys Magic Hat]

Don't know why I bother looking at this site as there is nothing but negativity on here.

We're in no better or worse position than when Allardyce was sacked. We've had a few bad performances and results in the last few matches definitely but to talk of us being in a relegation fight already is absolutely ridiculous; 4 points from the next 2 matches (which is more than achieveable) and we'll be looking up the table again.

Results AND entertainment matter and its clear to me that Steve Kean is trying to achieve that but its not going to happen overnight. People talk about Sam Allardyce like he was some kind of messiah but he had some equally bad if not worse results than the Villa game this season.

If a lot of our fans stopped singing about Burnley and criticising the owners and manager and actually got behind our players it might transfer through and let them know that we're behind them.

Great that we've sold out at Fulham tommorrow and I'm confident we can get at least a draw and go into the Blackpool game more than capable of winning well.

COME ON YOU BLUES!

[onlyonejackwalker]

Don't know why I bother looking at this site as there is nothing but negativity on here.

We're in no better or worse position than when Allardyce was sacked. We've had a few bad performances and results in the last few matches definitely but to talk of us being in a relegation fight already is absolutely ridiculous; 4 points from the next 2 matches (which is more than achieveable) and we'll be looking up the table again.

Results AND entertainment matter and its clear to me that Steve Kean is trying to achieve that but its not going to happen overnight. People talk about Sam Allardyce like he was some kind of messiah but he had some equally bad if not worse results than the Villa game this season.

If a lot of our fans stopped singing about Burnley and criticising the owners and manager and actually got behind our players it might transfer through and let them know that we're behind them.

Great that we've sold out at Fulham tommorrow and I'm confident we can get at least a draw and go into the Blackpool game more than capable of winning well.

COME ON YOU BLUES!

I don't want to sound argumentative or taint your 'positve mental attitude' but to say we are not in a relegation battle is (to quote) 'absolutely ridiculous'. Bury your head in the sand all you like, but that is a very lame thing to say. However much of Kean fanboy you may be, what can't speak can't lie and we are badly stuggling.

Even if you don't believe me, then maybe you will believe the manager who has said as much along with a million and one other knowledgeable football folk. One point from the last twelve is a useful clue.

[Mattyblue]

As we got the results, I was entertained massively by Sam's tenure, so I suppose you're right KKH...

[jim mk2]

Don't know why I bother looking at this site as there is nothing but negativity on here.

We're in no better or worse position than when Allardyce was sacked. We've had a few bad performances and results in the last few matches definitely but to talk of us being in a relegation fight already is absolutely ridiculous;

Is this you ?

[47er]

Don't know why I bother looking at this site as there is nothing but negativity on here.

We're in no better or worse position than when Allardyce was sacked. We've had a few bad performances and results in the last few matches definitely but to talk of us being in a relegation fight already is absolutely ridiculous; 4 points from the next 2 matches (which is more than achieveable) and we'll be looking up the table again.

Results AND entertainment matter and its clear to me that Steve Kean is trying to achieve that but its not going to happen overnight. People talk about Sam Allardyce like he was some kind of messiah but he had some equally bad if not worse results than the Villa game this season.

If a lot of our fans stopped singing about Burnley and criticising the owners and manager and actually got behind our players it might transfer through and let them know that we're behind them.

Great that we've sold out at Fulham tommorrow and I'm confident we can get at least a draw and go into the Blackpool game more than capable of winning well.

COME ON YOU BLUES!

"We're in no better or worse position than when Allardyce was sacked"??????? You do realise that that statement is factually incorrect?

[m1st]

Don't know why I bother looking at this site as there is nothing but negativity on here.

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Great that we've sold out at Fulham tommorrow and I'm confident we can get at least a draw and go into the Blackpool game more than capable of winning well.

COME ON YOU BLUES!

I'm getting a bit like that too; the Board feels a bit sort-of incestuous with point-scoring between posters, with some people with "inside knowledge" posting tit-bits for the rest of us, and with people appearing to think that what we post on here is likely to lead to the Venkys changing and delivering what we want.

If it weren't for the facts that:

1] I've spent 50+ years of my life following the team in three Divisions and managing to do so without worrying about what goes on in the Boardroom; and

2] I've promised to do the Blackpool game preview and am waiting for the word to post it [just waiting for the Form tables after this weekend's games];

I'm sure I'd find better things to do with my life than keep visiting this Board.

Sort-of sad but true.

[Jimmy612]

Don't know why I bother looking at this site

Anyone got any ideas?

[thenodrog]

A lot of people just wanted Allardyce out and to hell with the consequences. I heard and read many a comment stating that they didn't care if it meant relegation, they just wanted him out fulll stop.

In the pub before the West Brom game Allardyce was in the Sky studio. As soon as he appeared on the screen there was widespread abuse hurled at the screen.

I wonder what these people think now.

There's the rub dunc, those people DONT think. Most never have done nor ever will do either I'd wager.

The Facebook farce and subsequent (and at the time quite quite popular) appointment of Paul Ince proved that. Lessons that should have been learnt quite simply weren't.