[Archived] Entertainment or Result Is All That Matters?

[Mattyblue]

End of the day zac, you should have been proud that a club with no money and the cheapest tickets in the top 4 divisions could offer top flight football, cup semi finals etc etc.

What more did you think the club could achieve? The club' achievements should have provided you will all the entertainment you need.

[onlyonejackwalker]

football and entertainment under big sam was by far the worst... IN MY OPINION.

the clubs status/ division/ crowds have nothing to do with my statements.

I have been watching since the 1970's. How a team containing Rathbone, Keeley, Derek Faz, Gennoe, Garner, Thompson, Miller, Speight, etc can be worse than a team with proven Internationals in most positions at this time, be considered better at football is again interesting.

Oh and I forgot to add that the vast majority of our goals and chances are coming from Hoofball under Steve Kean, which I personally believe to be a perfectly acceptable and long-standing tactic in football, but many believe it to not be entertaining at all!

I was 'mistakenly' under the impression that Steve Kean came flying in under an 'entertainment charter'....whatever that may be. Short of him wearing fake goggles and a droopy mustache, (or greasy pony tail which seems to be in vogue and would be an achievement for our egg head), I am unsure how he is going to entertain us by keep dropping points against lesser teams and taking us ever closer to the abyss.

[Gav]

End of the day zac, you should have been proud that a club with no money and the cheapest tickets in the top 4 divisions could offer top flight football, cup semi finals etc etc.

What more did you think the club could achieve? The club' achievements should have provided you will all the entertainment you need.

He clearly didn't like the last manager and his football, just accept that some people think you're wrong Matty, and don't share your views, he's not alone.

[A cup of beans]

I have been watching since the 1970's. How a team containing Rathbone, Keeley, Derek Faz, Gennoe, Garner, Thompson, Miller, Speight, etc can be worse than a team with proven Internationals in most positions at this time, be considered better at football is again interesting.

those players mentioned above

were far more entertaining to watch than the current bunch...

the fact we have a load of internationals doesnt mean they are good enough. look at the countries they play or qualify for... enough said.

if they were that good, we wouldnt be fighting to stay up... would we ?

[onlyonejackwalker]

those players mentioned above

are far more entertaining to watch than the current bunch...

the fact we have a load of internationals doesnt mean they are good enough. look at the countries they play or qualify for... enough said.

if they were that good, we wouldnt be fighting to stay up... would we ?

Gosh you set that up nicely for me, cheers. Sorry to point out the obvious but here goes;

"We would not be fighting to stay up with a decent manager in charge as the players are clearly good enough for this standard as ably demonstrated last season and in season's before".

[Mattyblue]

Unlike you Gav, I don't give a @#/? either way about Sam Allardyce, don't know the bloke, and like most of our players and managers, he was just an employee hired to do a job for the club- a job he did well.

All I want is BRFC to be successful, to keep achieving despite being a small town club with little potential for further growth in a big city league.

This club was something I was massively proud of, the way it did its business and Sam Allardyce was the right man for the Rovers in these times of transition.

Unfortunately my views are not shared by others, who in my opinion do not put the welfare of the club first- as 'supporters' that is very sad.

[Gav]

I have been watching since the 1970's. How a team containing Rathbone, Keeley, Derek Faz, Gennoe, Garner, Thompson, Miller, Speight, etc can be worse than a team with proven Internationals in most positions at this time, be considered better at football is again interesting.

Different times different expectations, simple as that.

I almost had a heart attack leading up to the Southampton and Man Utd cup games in 83,84 – now that’s when going to Ewood was exciting, those 2 games

[A cup of beans]

Gosh you set that up nicely for me, cheers. Sorry to point out the obvious but here goes;

"We would not be fighting to stay up with a decent manager in charge as the players are clearly good enough for this standard as ably demonstrated last season and in season's before".

clearly good enough?? ... oh well... when we stay up this season we dont need any new players... ???

[Gav]

Unlike you Gav, I don't give a @#/? either way about Sam Allardyce, don't know the bloke, and like most of our players and managers, he was just an employee hired to do a job for the club- a job he did well.

All I want is BRFC to be successful, to keep achieving despite being a small town club with little potential for further growth in a big city league.

This club was something I was massively proud of, the way it did its business and Sam Allardyce was the right man for the Rovers in these times of transition.

Unfortunately my views are not shared by others, who in my opinion do not put the welfare of the club first- as 'supporters' that is very sad.

I respect that opinion Matty.

[Mattyblue]

I respect that opinion Matty.

And on that note, I'm getting out of these threads! Not good for me

[A cup of beans]

I respect that opinion Matty.

yes but he doesnt respect yours/ or mine! haha

[onlyonejackwalker]

Not wanting to go over old ground, but under the last manager we didn’t bother away from home, go 1-0 down and that was that. Under Hughes the players ran and tried until the last second of the last minute, you came away from games feeling we’d had a go, didn’t happen under the last manager, but its old ground now.

I went in the cup against Arsenal, beaten by the better team, but the player tried; Brum away was a disgrace though, the only time a Hughes team didn’t show up for me.

"Not wanting to go over old ground, but under the last manager we didn’t bother away from home,"

Should I point our all the games that we either won, or drew, or had near misses under Sam to show the silliness of sweeping generalisations, said with absolute certainty, that mean little to nothing when examined? Perhaps this is a throw away line you have got used to issuing, but have another think and let me know if it remains 100% accurate.

Did we win away under Sam this season whilst not bothering? How amazingly fortunate if so.

Interestingly, the points gained away under SA this year we are now desperately relying on to help keep us up. Well done MGP and Roberts at Newcastle and who can forget Big Samba's desparing defending at City. Bravo to Emerton scoring the winner at Pool and unlucky lads at Birmingham, Stoke, Liverpool and Bolton losing by just the odd goal. Also I was at Bolton when we beat them easily 2-0 the year before under guess who?

I think you may mean just two gamnes this season. Spurs and United away. United chucked 6 or 7 past Roma two season ago in the CL and Spurs scored 3 away at Inter and knocked Milan out of the cup, so perhaps you could forgive SA those two poor results given time...

[A cup of beans]

Should I point our all the games that we either won, or drew, or had near misses under Sam to show the silliness of sweeping generalisations, said with absolute certainty, that mean little to nothing when examined?

please do...

near misses.. do they count now ? ok.. well we nearly drew with wigan, fulham away in recent months! under a manager who you dont rate

and we maybe wouldve beat blackpool the other week but just run out of time! haha

and while your at it... find out how many points rovers won from a losing position under big sam, the football genius that he is!

[Gav]

"Not wanting to go over old ground, but under the last manager we didn’t bother away from home,"

Should I point our all the games that we either won, or drew, or had near misses under Sam to show the silliness of sweeping generalisations, said with absolute certainty, that mean little to nothing when examined? Perhaps this is a throw away line you have got used to issuing, but have another think and let me know if it remains 100% accurate.

Did we win away under Sam this season whilst not bothering? How amazingly fortunate if so.

Come on now onlyonejackwalker, I'm not going to list all the games last season we never turned up, and Stoke and Liverpool spring to mind the season before, its not worth it, he's gone pal and his away record was a disgrace.

[onlyonejackwalker]

please do...

near misses.. do they count now ? ok.. well we nearly drew with wigan, fulham away in recent months! under a manager who you dont rate

Mmmmmmmmm. You see the problem you have is I am big enough to admit certain things, even if not liking the current manager.

We were unlucky at Fulham in a much improved performance. But we let three goals in and you will always struggle to score more than that away.

Wigan away. Don't get me started. We were absolutely useless, 4-1 down against the bottom of the league before we made it look respectable.

No, near misses don't count, but if you read the comment I responded to I was arguing against the fact we 'did not try away', which 'near misses' clearly suggest otherwise over 90 minutes.

Glad you like the new manager. When convenient please explain and tell me why as I am genuinely interested and genuinely do not have a clue how you will answer.

[A cup of beans]

No, near misses don't count, but if you read the comment I responded to I was arguing against the fact we 'did not try away', which 'near misses' clearly suggest otherwise over 90 minutes.

you mentioned near misses.. so what were they ? (under the genius )

[onlyonejackwalker]

Come on now onlyonejackwalker, I'm not going to list all the games last season we never turned up, and Stoke and Liverpool spring to mind the season before, its not worth it, he's gone pal and his away record was a disgrace.

No worries. Glad our away record is much improved for you at this time.

I went to many of the games under SA. Yes it was poor at times, but to state we did not try away from home is like I said a sweeping generalisation based on absolutely nothing and rather distasteful as it reflects on senior International footballers as well who would or should take major pride in each and every performance.

I can just see the team-talk. Ok lads, here we are, 15 minutes to kick-off, we have no chance of winning, don't worry about it, not sure why we have bothered coming, but go and run around a bit for our travelling fans and then leg it back in here so we can get a quick get away after the match.

[Gav]

Mmmmmmmmm. You see the problem you have is I am big enough to admit certain things, even if not liking the current manager.

I’ve been on this site for many years onlyonejackwalker, and I think most seasoned posters will agree, I’m happy to say I’m wrong if I believe it to be true, but I’m not going to backtrack and change my thinking because a few ‘fellow posters’ say so.

So fire away pal.

[onlyonejackwalker]

I have already shown four away games this year that we lost by the odd-goal. You will say they are conclusive defeats, most others would say they were nip and tuck and could have gone either way...ie near misses.

I have also shown two away wins and a draw at City. Do you remember them?

Amazing we can win away when not even trying under the genius, but cannot even win at home when trying 100% with all our energy, focus and might, with the same players (minus EHD) + 5 million investment, under the new messiah.

[onlyonejackwalker]

I’ve been on this site for many years onlyonejackwalker, and I think most seasoned posters will agree, I’m happy to say I’m wrong if I believe it to be true, but I’m not going to backtrack and change my thinking because a few ‘fellow posters’ say so.

So fire away pal.

I am not targeting you Gav. Far from it. If you wish to stick to your guns that we NEVER tried away from home then that is fine by me, if a little ridiculous in my opinion.

Unfortunately, you are speaking to an away traveller here who actually watched the matches you said we never tried in. What can't speak can't lie and it is very foolish to think that professional sports people do not try and in this instance wholly inaccurate anyway.

Anyways, thanks for the comments from you and Zacc.

[Gav]

I have already shown four away games this year that we lost by the odd-goal. You will say they are conclusive defeats, most others would say they were nip and tuck and could have gone either way...ie near misses.

I have also shown two away wins and a draw at City. Do you remember them?

Amazing we can win away when not even trying under the genius, but cannot even win at home when trying 100% with all our energy, focus and might, with the same players (minus EHD) + 5 million investment, under the new messiah.

Allardyces away record speaks volumes.

[Gav]

I am not targeting you Gav. Far from it. If you wish to stick to your guns that we NEVER tried away from home then that is fine by me, if a little ridiculous in my opinion.

Unfortunately, you are speaking to an away traveller here who actually watched the matches you said we never tried in. What can't speak can't lie and it is very foolish to think that professional sports people do not try and in this instance wholly inaccurate anyway.

Anyways, thanks for the comments from you and Zacc.

No problem at all, I'm all for debate, I think zacc was a seasoned away traveller also, I gave up after Stoke away, burnley apart.

[onlyonejackwalker]

No problem at all, I'm all for debate, I think zacc was a seasoned away traveller also, I gave up after Stoke away, burnley apart.

Burnley away. Oh yes I forgot we won that game without trying as well.

[Gav]

Burnley away. Oh yes I forgot we won that game without trying as well.

Cheeky

[sentient]

ffs you guys are showing how pathetic you are now. And GAV you are the worst. We all know your opinion now so pls stop the mindless monotonous drivel. Everyone else just ignore the boring sod.