[Archived] Entertainment or Result Is All That Matters?

[thenodrog]

We're in a recession, people are losing jobs or having to sustain pay cuts with the price of things like fuel going up, I would guess this may have a lot to do with non renewal of season tickets.

Rubbish imy. Stop making excuses and don't try to twist my words. To a man/woman it was the reasons that I have given above. The hatred for the new regime and their crass stupidity runs deeper than you think. I live in Blackburn not Birmingham remember.

btw ... Are you 100% certain to renew yours?

[sambo]

Went to a 50th birthday clebration last neet and spoke to lots of people that I have not seen for some time. Needless to say BRFC was the main topic of conversation. I've got to say talks cheap but the amount of people who are not renewing their ST's whatever division we end up in was astounding. I spoke to just one stalwart who will be renewing whatever happens.

My views that other than the blue and white halves there is nothing at Ewood that I can readily associate with anymore and that I'm actually glad when I wake up on a Sat morning and realise the Rovers are away was shared by many. Not a good omen.

One point I'd make is, surely you didn't associate THAT much with the club before seen as you hate Blackburn and made quite a few disparaging remarks about it's citizens in ICBINF. Apologies if I'm wrong, although I guess you may have felt an association with the club itself.

I do agree though, although I'll be renewing no what, even though I travel from Cardiff and may be in NY from January-June!

[imy9]

Rubbish imy. Stop making excuses and don't try to twist my words. To a man/woman it was the reasons that I have given above. The hatred for the new regime and their crass stupidity runs deeper than you think. I live in Blackburn not Birmingham remember.

btw ... Are you 100% certain to renew yours?

I am sure Drog that you are right and finances have no part to play in people renewing season tickets. I guess we'll see end of the season.

No I have not got a season ticket.

[Mattyblue]

I am sure Drog that you are right and finances have no part to play in people renewing season tickets. I guess we'll see end of the season.

No I have not got a season ticket.

There is always a 'churn' every Summer, some new buyers, some that drop off because of finances etc. If the prices stay reasonable then there is no reason that sales should substantially drop- if they do, we all know the reason.

[thenodrog]

I am sure Drog that you are right and finances have no part to play in people renewing season tickets. I guess we'll see end of the season.

No I have not got a season ticket.

Looks like there may be one going cheap next January then..... see post above.

imy I though by the amount of time you spend debating and defending the new regime that you must be a ST holder. Do you go to many matches? If you don't I fail to see how you can have a valid opinion on the state of the team and it's recent performances.... or even it's pre Venkey performances.

[imy9]

Looks like there may be one going cheap next January then..... see post above.

imy I though by the amount of time you spend debating and defending the new regime that you must be a ST holder. Do you go to many matches? If you don't I fail to see how you can have a valid opinion on the state of the team and it's recent performances.... or even it's pre Venkey performances.

So just to be crystal clear if you don't attend matches then your opinion on the state of the team and it's performances are not valid?

Also please use the search facility to see how often I 'defend' the new regime-it's not that much really.

The irony in this Drog is that I am debating/ defending people who have a link to my club if you click Thenodrog and Sam in the search facility there are literally pages of you defending someone who has no link to Blackburn Rovers FC!

[thenodrog]

So just to be crystal clear if you don't attend matches then your opinion on the state of the team and it's performances are not as valid?

Edited for you.

This has been done to death imy, watching on telly, in the pub or some web stream simply does not allow anyone a true reflection of team or individual player performances.

That clear enough?

[imy9]

Rubbish imy. Stop making excuses and don't try to twist my words. To a man/woman it was the reasons that I have given above. The hatred for the new regime and their crass stupidity runs deeper than you think. I live in Blackburn not Birmingham remember.

btw ... Are you 100% certain to renew yours?

Looks like there may be one going cheap next January then..... see post above.

imy I though by the amount of time you spend debating and defending the new regime that you must be a ST holder. Do you go to many matches? If you don't I fail to see how you can have a valid opinion on the state of the team and it's recent performances.... or even it's pre Venkey performances.

So just to be crystal clear if you don't attend matches then your opinion on the state of the team and it's performances are not valid?

Also please use the search facility to see how often I 'defend' the new regime-it's not that much really.

The irony in this Drog is that I am debating/ defending people who have a link to my club if you click Thenodrog and Sam in the search facility there are literally pages of you defending someone who has no link to Blackburn Rovers FC!

So just to be crystal clear if you don't attend matches then your opinion on the state of the team and it's performances are not as valid?

Edited for you.

This has been done to death imy, watching on telly, in the pub or some web stream simply does not allow anyone a true reflection of team or individual player performances.

That clear enough?

Well considering you claimed that I "twisted your words" earlier, I thought I would get clarification. If you look at your original quote and the edited quote you have presented they dont match up, glad to see that you're wrong sometimes

To answer the previous question I attend about 4-6 away matched per season. Hypothetically if a % of season ticket holders hated Sam's style of play does this make their opinion more valid than people who dont attend ,or does it depend on which opinion matches yours?

[tony gale's mic]

So just to be crystal clear if you don't attend matches then your opinion on the state of the team and it's performances are not valid?

Also please use the search facility to see how often I 'defend' the new regime-it's not that much really.

The irony in this Drog is that I am debating/ defending people who have a link to my club if you click Thenodrog and Sam in the search facility there are literally pages of you defending someone who has no link to Blackburn Rovers FC!

The people who are defending Sam are defending someone who was very good for Blackburn Rovers FC.

You're defending people who are very bad for Blackburn Rovers FC.

[Mayfield]

The people who are defending Sam are defending someone who was very good for Blackburn Rovers FC.

Couldn't have put it better myself, Sam's tactics may not be very entertaining but they where certainly effective

[imy9]

Couldn't have put it better myself, Sam's tactics may not be very entertaining but they where certainly effective

What's the point of defending someone who has no links to Blackburn Rovers in ANY way? Our owners are exactly that, OUR owners, as the three part Grenada show highlighted they have potential to be so much better.

[Mattyblue]

They may have the money, they may have good plans, but their arrogant behaviour to date has turned off thousands of our fan base.

I have never known a Rovers support so angry.

[John]

The people who are defending Sam are defending someone who was very good for Blackburn Rovers FC.

Exactly.

[Alan75]

They may have the money, they may have good plans, but their arrogant behaviour to date has turned off thousands of our fan base.

I have never known a Rovers support so angry.

I take it that you werent around when Jim Iley was manager.

[ross-shire rover]

Can't remember if I've already said this or not. Old age creeping on. There's often "debate" about a "true supporter" and here's my take on the two types of supporters we have. Those, like myself, who've supported Rovers since the cradle, but for whatever reason - distance, illness, age, money etc - don't go to watch Rovers regularly if at all, and those of us who are ST holders or regular attenders at home and away matches. It's bad enough for the "stayaways" but for those going week in week out it must be absolute hell at the moment. Seeing our club in the situation it is in at the moment and having to pay for the privilege. Although I belong to the first group I always listen to and respect the views of people who actually go to the games. No question, watching a game on TV is nothing like watching a game live. No offence to supporters in Honolulu or Australia but I can really understand the pain and frustration being felt around Blackburn and amongst those supporters who watch all the games live.

Let's keep praying there'll be 3 teams with fewer points and/or a worse goal difference than us come the end of the season.

[m1st]

Let's keep praying there'll be 3 teams with fewer points and/or a worse goal difference than us come the end of the season.

Amen to that!

[deryck guyler's spoon]

There were loads of Rovers supporters, some of many years standing, who vowed not to renew their ST'S as long as Allardyce was manager.

[thenodrog]

There were loads of Rovers supporters, some of many years standing, who vowed not to renew their ST'S as long as Allardyce was manager.

Really? Thats odd. How do you explain the fact that attendances and ST sales have been on the up?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Really? Thats odd. How do you explain the fact that attendances and ST sales have been on the up?

What about those deals that you love? You know, the ones that let in the type of folk who only have one bog?

[tony gale's mic]

You only need to see the reaction to Sam's sacking to see he had the backing of the vast majority of Rovers fans. I don't think that much can be traced to the deals - if you're going to watch something you don't want to, you're not even going to spend £200 and spend every other Saturday doing it.

I live in Leeds and apart from when I go back to Blackburn a few times a season to meet up with old friends/my Dad and watch Rovers I don't get that much of an insight into what ST holders think anymore. Apart from the quite obvious rise in attendances during his reign.

So I don't see how you feel that you living in South Australia have such a great insight into what the ST holders thought of Sam's reign?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

You only need to see the reaction to Sam's sacking to see he had the backing of the vast majority of Rovers fans. I don't think that much can be traced to the deals - if you're going to watch something you don't want to, you're not even going to spend £200 and spend every other Saturday doing it.

I live in Leeds and apart from when I go back to Blackburn a few times a season to meet up with old friends/my Dad and watch Rovers I don't get that much of an insight into what ST holders think anymore. Apart from the quite obvious rise in attendances during his reign.

So I don't see how you feel that you living in South Australia have such a great insight into what the ST holders thought of Sam's reign?

Bloody hell, you love arguing with me dont you? Anyway, for 42 of my 44 years I lived in East Lancashire, I got my first ST in 1980 from the proceeds of a paper round and painting the fence. I have had an ST pretty much every season since until leaving Blighty, as did the lads I went to Ewood with. I'm still in regular touch via email and Skype so I think I've pretty much got a handle on whats going on especially as the lads are a mix of pro and anti Allardyce.

The season ticket deal was an unbelievable one to the extent that non Rovers fans bought them just to see Premiership football.

Are you saying that there wasn't a significant percentage of the Rovers support that wasn't seriously disillusioned at the football we played under Allardyce? Come off it.

[tony gale's mic]

Bloody hell, you love arguing with me dont you? Anyway, for 42 of my 44 years I lived in East Lancashire, I got my first ST in 1980 from the proceeds of a paper round and painting the fence. I have had an ST pretty much every season since until leaving Blighty, as did the lads I went to Ewood with. I'm still in regular touch via email and Skype so I think I've pretty much got a handle on whats going on especially as the lads are a mix of pro and anti Allardyce.

The season ticket deal was an unbelievable one to the extent that non Rovers fans bought them just to see Premiership football.

Are you saying that there wasn't a significant percentage of the Rovers support that wasn't seriously disillusioned at the football we played under Allardyce? Come off it.

Even the season after we won the title we could only average 27,000 through the gate. It's not about how good our support is, but down to catchment area etc.

Those "non Rovers fans" - don't get me wrong I'm sure there's one or two but it's surely a negligible amount. Very few would pay that much to watch Premiership football at a club they don't support when the really big names only turn up five or six times a season.

As to that last question - it depends what you define as significant. There was definitely a section of fans who fitted that description, but then there was a section of fans who booed us when we were 3-0 up against Wolves. But I think the vast majority were very happy with the results at home under Allardyce, even though many would have ideally liked to have seen more aesthetically pleasing football.

[thenodrog]

Are you saying that there wasn't a significant percentage of the Rovers support that wasn't seriously disillusioned at the football we played under Allardyce? Come off it.

As to that last question - it depends what you define as significant. There was definitely a section of fans who fitted that description, but then there was a section of fans who booed us when we were 3-0 up against Wolves. But I think the vast majority were very happy with the results at home under Allardyce, even though many would have ideally liked to have seen more aesthetically pleasing football.

Wouldn't we all like to see aesthetically pleasing football? That statement could be uttered by any fan outside the Nou camp and The Emirates. Everytime I hear an Arsenal fan on the radio these days they seem to be whinging about their manager and winning nowt for all their scintillating football.

Truth is Degsy most of the VALID disillusionment that I've heard in recent seasons has been aimed at two goons Ince and Kean who profess to set up their teams to entertain! 'Entertaining' a neutral could only assume being a local euphamism for 'losing'. btw Don't you ever take any notice of polls? We've had one on here about Allardyces sacking and the LT too ran one (that your mates no doubt contributed to) on Allardyce's sacking. Both need i repeat showed your flawed opinion to be in the significant minority.

The best thing your mates could have done was stop going to Ewood and to stop supporting the club. Join you in Austraia even. It would be far far less damaging to the club than the should the consequences of their moaning turn out to be relegation and quite possibly bankruptcy and oblivion!

[Mattyblue]

Yes, DGS there were a few that said 'I ain't watching another season of hoofball'', however when the time came to renew, if tickets were of similar price I would wager the majority would have relented.

We would have probably lost a few hundred this summer under Sam, now we could lose thousands upon thousands.

[Amo]

Wouldn't we all like to see aesthetically pleasing football? That statement could be uttered by any fan outside the Nou camp and The Emirates. Everytime I hear an Arsenal fan on the radio these days they seem to be whinging about their manager and winning nowt for all their scintillating football.

The fact you bring two of the finest footballing sides into the equation doesn't do your argument any favours.

So it's either hoofball or champagne football - there is no compromise whatsoever?