[Archived] Entertainment or Result Is All That Matters?

[47er]

Woooosh! My point was that the arguments for "Hoofball" football being the ONLY valid method of ensuring premiership status are trite. I'll say it again. Teams with limited squads and budgets are likely struggle in this league, whatever their style of play. That's backed up by the table it's self. Look at the top five teams, how many of those have limited budgets or squads? Now do you understand the point I was making?

"Whoosh!" "Spin"! Plenty of sarcasm but where's the beef? I understood what you were trying to say but how many ways can I say--"we were not struggling" till Sam got the sack and an inexperienced "manager" took over?

I told you I didn't agree with the description "hoofball" so it follows that I've never said the only way of staying up is playing it! Have we got a comprehension problem here?

Finally being outside the top five is not struggling FFS.

So, in summary, no I have no idea what you are on about just that you're very rude about it.

[otto man]

"Whoosh!" "Spin"! Plenty of sarcasm but where's the beef? I understood what you were trying to say but how many ways can I say--"we were not struggling" till Sam got the sack and an inexperienced "manager" took over?

I told you I didn't agree with the description "hoofball" so it follows that I've never said the only way of staying up is playing it! Have we got a comprehension problem here?

Finally being outside the top five is not struggling FFS.

So, in summary, no I have no idea what you are on about just that you're very rude about it.

er..Sorry?..... Sarcasm? Rudeness? Lack of comprehension?. I'm sorry if you find my writing style offensive as it wasn't intended to be so, but you obviously don't understand the point I was making and I can't think of a way to make it any clearer for you.

[Mattyblue]

We were not 'struggling' under Sam. Some fans may have 'struggled' with his style of football, but the team and therefore the club were in a healthy state.

[otto man]

We were not 'struggling' under Sam. Some fans may have 'struggled' with his style of football, but the team and therefore the club were in a healthy state.

At no point did I say we were struggling under sam(that's how 47er misconstrued my comments, those were his words not mine) please go back and read my oiginal post. It was in answer to 47er and TGM who seem to feel that "expansive" football is a recipe for disaster for teams on a budget with limited squads. I simply pointed out that teams with limited budgets and squads were likely to struggle anyway whatever style they played.

[47er]

We were not 'struggling' under Sam. Some fans may have 'struggled' with his style of football, but the team and therefore the club were in a healthy state.

Got it in one!

[47er]

And yet both you and TGM are conveniently ignoring the fact that teams with small budgets and limited squads are likely to struggle in this league regardless of the style of football played, be it total football or fat Sam hoofball....But hey let's not let facts get in the way of spin eh!

So you didn't say we were struggling under Sam?

That must mean we are not a team with a small budget and a limited squad then? I thought we were!

And "fat Sam hoofball" where does that fit in? Another "fact"?

You're all over the place.

And "whoosh" "spin" and Wacko" in one small post constitutes rudeness in my book.

[thenodrog]

Blackpool are like a breath of fresh air....

They were ..... but 5th from bottom has a rather different smell emitting from Bloomfield Road of late.

Woooosh! My point was that the arguments for "Hoofball" football being the ONLY valid method of ensuring premiership status are trite. I'll say it again. Teams with limited squads and budgets are likely struggle in this league, whatever their style of play. That's backed up by the table it's self. Look at the top five teams, how many of those have limited budgets or squads? Now do you understand the point I was making?

going around in circles here. Forget the top 5 lok at the rest.

from yesterday.....

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/24219-entertainment-or-result-is-all-that-matters/page__view__findpost__p__1028904

[AHoyle90]

I have really tried to back Kean and the new style of 'entertaining' football.

But recently, it simply hasnt been. We have tried to play through midfield, but failed miserably, starting to show why Sam bypassed our midfield and used long balls, goal kicks, long throws, floated crosses to get results.

Results are the most important thing, thats blindingly obvious when you look at the size of some clubs in the championship compared to us, who cannot get out.

Mark Hughes got the balance spot on, as did Souness in the main. We were entertaining at the best of times, and got some results. We had flair, with defensive discipline and some tough, honest professionals to back the more skilfull flair players.

I always thought Sam was wrong by not allowing us to play football, but after some of the 'passing' I have seen in the last few games, it has opened my eyes, we don't have the players to play like Arsenal, we dont have the players to play the Mark Hughes way (Tugay/Savage).

I want to give Kean time to make signings, and convert us into a entertaning but successfull football club, I can't see it happening.

Some of the business side of things as well as the Footballing side of things, that Sam achieved when looked at properly were monumental.

Given some backing by Venkys, would Sam have brought in some better technical players, so we could mix and match more like he did with the likes of Jay Jay Okocha, Youri djorkaeff, Nicolas Anekla at Bolton? Whilst maintaining a mean defence and the ability to go direct when needed?

Football is a results business. Sir Alex Ferguson highly rates and is very good friends with Sam Allardyce. Sir Alex Ferguson knows more about football management that anybody, and knows what it takes.

After much deliberation, and at times under Sam, I couldn't see myself saying this.

For Blackburn Rovers, results are more important than entertaining the crowd. We are not F.C. Barecelona, or a Premier League winning side anymore, get over it.

[otto man]

So you didn't say we were struggling under Sam?

That must mean we are not a team with a small budget and a limited squad then? I thought we were!

And "fat Sam hoofball" where does that fit in? Another "fact"?

You're all over the place.

And "whoosh" "spin" and Wacko" in one small post constitutes rudeness in my book.

Christ, you don't half offend easily! how old are ya 5? You just don't get it do ya? I'll spell it out for you ONE last time. Whether Playing route one football or as TGM put it expansive football, teams with both limited budgets and squads are likely to struggle in this league. So yours and his argument is somewhat trite. That was my point. Do you understand now? Have I made my self clear. Have you finally got it? Trying to put words in my mouth and point score aint gonna help.

[CAPT KAYOS]

The whole hullaballo going on about this is irrelevant anyway as most are arguing for the sake of staying in the Premier - which is wrong.

What happened to just going out and trying to win the game there and then - BALL IN NET MORE THAN THE OPPOSITION - End of

Its the result that matters regardless - everything else comes after.

Too much tactical analysis is done in the game nowadays - the enjoyment of the game is gone with most players and alot of fans have become dilusional and brainwashed to the necessity to prioritise games especially in the P/L and the 'need' to stay in it.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I can only speak for myself and in doing so I have to admit the game in general just doesn't capture the interest as it once did. I don't know whether this is purely down to a lack of entertainment or due to the lack of parity and competitiveness in football that has to an extent made the game boring.

Being totally honest, in recent years I have noticed that I don't get as excited as I used to when the weekend comes and a Rovers game is due to occur. Part of this of course could be that due to financial constraints I haven't been able to get down to many games in recent years. Another factor could be that Rovers, especially in recent years have become such a frustrating and inconsistent side to follow, one week the lads put in a decent performance the next they put in a complete shocker and I'm pulling my hair out.

I will always follow Rovers, I have supported them all my life and they are the only football club and I can't see that ever changing. But I have to say I get far more enjoyment going out, fishing, following the Packers in the NFL etc than I do watching Rovers at this moment in time.

[47er]

Christ, you don't half offend easily! how old are ya 5? You just don't get it do ya? I'll spell it out for you ONE last time. Whether Playing route one football or as TGM put it expansive football, teams with both limited budgets and squads are likely to struggle in this league. So yours and his argument is somewhat trite. That was my point. Do you understand now? Have I made my self clear. Have you finally got it? Trying to put words in my mouth and point score aint gonna help.

One last time--------we had a limited budget and a limited squad but we WERE NOT STRUGGLING TILL SAM GOT SACKED. Have you finally got it?

[Nafe_rovers]

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[LeChuck]

BALL IN NET MORE THAN THE OPPOSITION - End of

You can simplify anything to that level if you want, it doesn't make it so.

And anyway the analogy doesn't even work. Playing for a scrappy 1-0 win still satisfies your simple criteria.

[Wild Irish Rover]

Arte et Labore.

Says it all, really, if you think about it.

[tony gale's mic]

And yet both you and TGM are conveniently ignoring the fact that teams with small budgets and limited squads are likely to struggle in this league regardless of the style of football played, be it total football or fat Sam hoofball....But hey let's not let facts get in the way of spin eh!

I have to echo the thoughts of 47er, you really have missed the point entirely. But you seem to have a habit of doing this...

[otto man]

I have to echo the thoughts of 47er, you really have missed the point entirely. But you seem to have a habit of doing this...

I should feel privileged to share the boards with such a towering intellect as yours whilst you shower us all with your wisdom .......... It must be so galling that we mere mortals are so far beneath you that in our ignorance we are unable to grasp the pearls of knowledge dripping from your lips .......Good to see you are as supercillious as ever.

[47er]

I should feel privileged to share the boards with such a towering intellect as yours whilst you shower us all with your wisdom .......... It must be so galling that we mere mortals are so far beneath you that in our ignorance we are unable to grasp the pearls of knowledge dripping from your lips .......Good to see you are as supercillious as ever.

You missed some emoticons there!

[tony gale's mic]

I should feel privileged to share the boards with such a towering intellect as yours whilst you shower us all with your wisdom .......... It must be so galling that we mere mortals are so far beneath you that in our ignorance we are unable to grasp the pearls of knowledge dripping from your lips .......Good to see you are as supercillious as ever.

You completely missing a very simple point has nothing to do with my intelligence. More your own.

Thanks for the compliments though.

[otto man]

[Fife Rover]

But it all depends on what you find 'entertaining', speaking for myself, friends and family, we are entertained by wins and the success of the club.

Ewood Park ain't the cinema, it ain't the Nou Camp with the white hankies primed to wave.

It is where you get behind your club and your forefathers club. Rovers are not a 'product' where you need 'value for money', if that is what you want, you are following the wrong club.

EGG ZACKLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have not yet reached the level of maturity as propounded by T4E in his post above, and I still care intensely about everything Rovers; some would say to a fault.......,but hey do I care? COYB!!!!

[roverwhelmed]

Haven't read the thread.

But...I think it is important, when you are paying considerable sums, to be entertained to a certain degree. It is a hobby after all.

But in saying that, I would much prefer us to carve out a few points and not be entertained, if it means staying in the premiership. I worry about our future if we were relegated, although Rovers will never lose my support no matter what league we play in.

[Miker]

The average fan that watches football casually without really supporting a team will only be interested in entertainment. That's why new generations of fans will all go and watch the Arsenals and Barcelonas of the world because they know they will get to see entertaining football. They're not going to go watch Stoke or Birmingham because they don't have any superstar players and they play boring football.

For the vast majority of people on here, I assume their love and support for the club has been handed down for generations and from living locally in and around Blackburn. For those people, support of the club will always be more important than entertainment. You don't rejoice for playing fun football or having superstars in your team, you do so when upsetting the odds, when winning games and cups and leagues. I can't remember a single time playing football where I thought to myself, "did I play entertaining football today?" My only thoughts were, "did I play well?" and "did we win?"

That's what sport is about, it's about winning, it's about competing, it's about conquering your opposition by any means. That's what sport used to be about, but now with big money being poured into clubs and players earning ridiculous wages, it's been turned into an entertainment machine.

I think the WWE is a great example of how to take a sport, dilute it and turn it into a mass-marketed theatre production. American sports are the worst culprits of this in general, with things like NBA and the Super Bowl. I mean, the Super Bowl has become as much associated with commercials as it is with American football. It's all about other companies selling their products to mass audiences.

To be honest, I don't know when any sport actually became entertaining. People go to watch cars zip around in a loop at Formula One, or watch 2 people knock a ball back and forth in tennis. Is this actually people's idea of entertainment? Football is admittedly more exciting than most sports, but if I didn't have a strong interest in football or have an allegience to a club I support, I doubt I'd be spending my days and nights watching games, reading about the goings on in football around the world or anything of the sort. The only reason I have an interest in football is because it's been passed down to me from my parents and grandparents and I played football myself for many years. If that wasn't the case then I wouldn't care if I was watching free-flowing Barcelona or Delap-inspired Stoke, I'd still be bored out of my mind.

[Iceman]

People have been brain washed, by the Arsenals and Barcelonas of the world. I'm a Barca fan as well, and they are unbelievable to watch, but what they have at their disposal, is why the can entertain and win.

Rovers on the other hand, well what we have, there is not much chance of entertaining at this moment. The players, were so into up and unders, that to adjust now is pure madness. The kids at the academy, they should now be taught about pass and move, dribbling, taking on the opponent etc. When they move up the ranks into the 1st team, then the adjustment is so easy.

If Kean just kept with Allardyce football, then at least he can be assured of survival. Next season, he can try different tactics during preseason. Got to survive, because I have a feeling, that despite all the problems with Venkys, we could be in for some good times with them. New players, new sponsors, new chairman etc, could be a good season for us

[CAPT KAYOS]

You can simplify anything to that level if you want, it doesn't make it so.

And anyway the analogy doesn't even work. Playing for a scrappy 1-0 win still satisfies your simple criteria.

EH? - yes the analogy it does - I think you'll find more fans prefer victory and are not really too bothered how it comes about

its the result that matters - so nothing wrong with 1 v 0.

Football is a simple game complicated by those who only want to make it complicated

I think Mikers post sums it up entirely