[Archived] Venky's Summer Transfer List

[Mowie]

Wasnt able to find the Diouf thread so I'll put it here.

Diouf hints at Gers stay

Wouldnt be too sad to get rid of Dioufy. Has been a good servant to the club and will be knowned for his winding up of oppsite supporters. Unfortunately he lacks pace and technique and slows the play down.

I think his 2 main strengths are his technique and his pace!

[MarkBRFC]

I wouldn't say he lacks technique, he certainly isn't quick though.

[Amo]

It's not JW's decision to decide on the relative merits of players, just to ensure that the club gets value for money and that the wages don't break the structure.

Value for money? I don't call giving two 28 year-olds (well past their sell by date) four-year deals, value for money.

As regards the merits of signing him up that was Sam's decision, but for what it's worth due to the lack of left footed players, the fact he's still capable of putting in a good delivery and the fact he can do a decent job in the middle of the park, I think he's worth having round as a squad player. Plus he's never been a pacy player so should at least maintain a similar standard till the end of his contract.

Pedersen's not going to get any better. Feck, the guy peaked about over three seasons ago. But yeah, let's reward him with a tasty payrise and a four-year deal. Sheesh... It's not like we were even staving off a host of top clubs to keep him.

Grella was again a 28 year old - one can argue maybe he shouldve got a 3 year contract rather than a 4 year contract, but he was signed by Ince as a first teamer - the length of contract was still pretty reasonable here.

I'm willing to let Grella slide. I don't think anyone imagined he would be THIS much of a crock, and he was our most expensive signing that season. Which is why, if we sign JJ, we should learn from this and offer a short-team 2-3 year deal at the most.

Giving Andrews a new contract is something that I can't defend, but that's more of a black mark against Sam's name than against JW's. If the manager thinks he's worth it JW has to approve it, as long as it doesn't break the wage structure and he's not doing something stupid like giving a 35yo a 4 year contract.

Read above. JW made a gentleman's agreement to boost Andrews's wages if he featured in the first-team. There was no need to give him a new deal. It was just JW being a nice guy. But there's no place for nice guys in business, especially when we needed to tighten our wage bill. And why FOUR YEARS? He's not a PL footballer as it is, let alone when he's 32 years old! Scary, scary prospect.

[PAFELL]

Yes Daniel Sturridge! I'd love to pair him and Defoe upfront here at rovers. Not beyond the realms of reality.

Like us all, you are permitted to dream.

[chaddyrovers]

I would sign Jermaine Jones permanent first and give Hoilett a new 5 years contract!

I would look to sign Daniel Sturridge or Papiss Cisse as our striker target.

maybe i would sign RSC if he is available for 2 million pounds.

we need a new right back as Salgado will be leaving after next season. maybe left back aswell.

[pick32]

if were looking for a right back for the future it would have to be Clyne from crystal palace who we have already been linked with.

[speeeeeeedie]

Like us all, you are permitted to dream.

Andrea Pirlo is mine. He'd make Tugay look like Paul Shepstone.

[Torgeir]

we need a new right back as Salgado will be leaving after next season. maybe left back aswell.

So we need a new one after next season then?

[modes98]

Papiss Cisse as our striker target.

Why?

Is it because we were linked with him? Had you heard of him prior to that?

The fee will be high for a striker who seems very quick to talk to the press.

[TugaysMarlboro]

Andrea Pirlo is mine. He'd make Tugay look like Paul Shepstone.

Blasphemy!

[tony gale's mic]

Value for money? I don't call giving two 28 year-olds (well past their sell by date) four-year deals, value for money.

"Well past their sell by date" is a footballing opinion which isn't JW's brief.

Look up and down the Premier League and you will see plenty of clubs giving the majority of their 28 year old first teamers four year deals. Usually players good enough at 28 are usually just about still good enough at 32, unless injuries start to hit. What's the other option? Sign them on a 2 year deal? Then you have a season before clubs can start to offer next to peanuts for someone who's not yet 30. That's bad business sense.

If you doubt that the signing of 28 year olds on 4 year deals happens up and down the league I'm sure I can find plenty of examples for you. Your opinion on Pedersen as a footballer is again not JW's brief.

Pedersen's not going to get any better. Feck, the guy peaked about over three seasons ago. But yeah, let's reward him with a tasty payrise and a four-year deal. Sheesh... It's not like we were even staving off a host of top clubs to keep him.

He peaked three seasons ago, but under Sam he'd been doing a very solid job in centre midfield. Plenty of other Rovers fans agreed. He seems to have slid a little again this season. As far as JW was concerned he was a regular first team player, his footballing merits weren't his concern, and as I said giving 28 year olds four year deals is something which happens everywhere.

I'm willing to let Grella slide. I don't think anyone imagined he would be THIS much of a crock, and he was our most expensive signing that season. Which is why, if we sign JJ, we should learn from this and offer a short-team 2-3 year deal at the most.

The problem with two year deals for players under 30 is that if they start to shine in their first season, then the season after all it takes is for their heads to be turned by a side and they're off for a fraction of what we could have got for them. Considering JJ will likely command a sizeable transfer fee from Schalke, this wouldn't exactly make great business sense. Three year deal maybe but then hes a year older signing this contract than the other players so agewise it amounts to a similar deal.

Read above. JW made a gentleman's agreement to boost Andrews's wages if he featured in the first-team. There was no need to give him a new deal. It was just JW being a nice guy. But there's no place for nice guys in business, especially when we needed to tighten our wage bill. And why FOUR YEARS? He's not a PL footballer as it is, let alone when he's 32 years old! Scary, scary prospect.

As I said, I can't explain the signing of Andrews on a new deal. But then any decision to give a player a new contract is the manager's decision first and JW's decision very much second. If the club can afford it, then it becomes hard for JW not to allow it.

[J*B]

Andrea Pirlo is mine. He'd make Tugay look like Paul Shepstone.

Somebody ban this man.

[Amo]

"Well past their sell by date" is a footballing opinion which isn't JW's brief.

You just said it's his job to get value for money. That means taking into account a player's age, resale value etc. Pedersen & Andrews are not players who should be signed up to four-year deals, especially with healthy payrises. I know Andrews was on a low wage to start with, but all we've done now is give him a better deal than he'll find anywhere else. Thus necessitating Rovers problem of trying to shift the deadwood.

If you doubt that the signing of 28 year olds on 4 year deals happens up and down the league I'm sure I can find plenty of examples for you. Your opinion on Pedersen as a footballer is again not JW's brief.

Okay, let's see plenty of examples. And besides, every case should be judged on its own merits.

He peaked three seasons ago, but under Sam he'd been doing a very solid job in centre midfield. Plenty of other Rovers fans agreed. He seems to have slid a little again this season. As far as JW was concerned he was a regular first team player, his footballing merits weren't his concern, and as I said giving 28 year olds four year deals is something which happens everywhere.

He was doing a solid, if unspectacular job, and he still frustrated the crap out of many fans on a regular basis. This doesn't mean he should have been given another FOUR years. If we still need Pedersen by then, that means we'll probably be in League One.

The problem with two year deals for players under 30 is that if they start to shine in their first season, then the season after all it takes is for their heads to be turned by a side and they're off for a fraction of what we could have got for them. Considering JJ will likely command a sizeable transfer fee from Schalke, this wouldn't exactly make great business sense. Three year deal maybe but then hes a year older signing this contract than the other players so agewise it amounts to a similar deal.

And on the other hand, if someone like JJ 'does a Grella', we end up stuck with a crock for four years, sucking wages without any return.

So, three years would be the best of both worlds, but I think four is overstepping the mark.

As I said, I can't explain the signing of Andrews on a new deal. But then any decision to give a player a new contract is the manager's decision first and JW's decision very much second. If the club can afford it, then it becomes hard for JW not to allow it.

But it's ultimately the chairman/chief execu's job to negotiate the best possible contract, and it's exactly the same when buying players, too. The manager decides what players he wants to sign/keep, and the chairman does his best to arrange a deal.

[tony gale's mic]

You just said it's his job to get value for money. That means taking into account a player's age, resale value etc. Pedersen & Andrews are not players who should be signed up to four-year deals, especially with healthy payrises. I know Andrews was on a low wage to start with, but all we've done now is give him a better deal than he'll find anywhere else. Thus necessitating Rovers problem of trying to shift the deadwood.

Okay, let's see plenty of examples. And besides, every case should be judged on its own merits.

Age - yes, but 28 year olds are often signed on four year deals.

Resale value - no - when you sign a 28 year old on a 4 year deal, you assume that by the time the deal runs out, the transfer value will be fairly negligible.

It's his job to get value for money, but that's from an age viewpoint, plus a cursory glance at whether that player is featuring regularly for Rovers. Pedersen was.

You say "every case should be judged on its merits" but you'll give an opinion on how well that player had been playing. Not remotely JW's brief.

Also, whilst many of these are better players, they'll also be earning much, much more. Here's some I've found in 5 minutes of googling, this is biased towards the big clubs since contract signings at smaller clubs are less widely reported: (some of these are successful, some not, but all are showing it's standard practice):

Joe Cole

Paul Konchesky (aged 29)

Phil Jagielka

John Terry

Nemanja Vidic

Steven Pienaar

John Terry

Tim Cahill (aged 30)

He was doing a solid, if unspectacular job, and he still frustrated the crap out of many fans on a regular basis. This doesn't mean he should have been given another FOUR years. If we still need Pedersen by then, that means we'll probably be in League One.

I can near enough guarantee he will be performing at 32 to a similar standard as at 28. Granted it's not that great a standard, but still. He's not a player that relies on pace much. There's plenty of midfielders out there who are producing similar form at 32 to when they were 28, it's often after that where the decline starts. Unless we improve our squad considerably, he'll still be a useful squad player to have around.

And on the other hand, if someone like JJ 'does a Grella', we end up stuck with a crock for four years, sucking wages without any return.

So, three years would be the best of both worlds, but I think four is overstepping the mark.

But still, age wise, giving someone at the age of 29 a 3 year contract, and giving someone at 28 a four year contract aren't that different.

But it's ultimately the chairman/chief execu's job to negotiate the best possible contract, and it's exactly the same when buying players, too. The manager decides what players he wants to sign/keep, and the chairman does his best to arrange a deal.

But if a manager says he feels that player is needed by the club, and if the manager says that footballer is good enough to play for Blackburn Rovers, someone in JW's role is compelled to approve the player getting a contract for a reasonable length (4 years for a 28 year old is reasonable), and obviously has to offer the same wage at least. A pay rise up to a point isn't that out of the ordinary either - especially considering from when he signed his last contract inflation alone would've gone up by at least 8% or so. Additionally, the club would've benefitted from the new TV deal since Peds signed his last contract and we all know where the vast majority of that money has gone at every club.

[Roversi]

We could do with a fresh young right back to replace Sally, Clyne at Crystal Palace is a decent prospect, Gunter at Forest or Naughton at Spurs are all good players.

[Hughesy]

Spurs & Arsenal want £10m Samba

[Darwen Rover]

£15m and he's gone in my view.. Probably just what the arse need in fairness.. I'm only considering this as o think he's got his heart set on moving...

Unless we get a top class mgr in?!

[tony gale's mic]

Don't blame Samba at all if he wants to leave. He's given us plenty of years of committed service and deserves the chance to see if he can do it at the highest level. He's not getting any younger.

[Fraserkirky]

Clyne from Palace would be a terrific signing, I agree 15m is probably a fair price for Samba.

If the Venky's are still after a Brazilian Marque Signing what about this guy..

http://www.goal.com/en/news/15/germany/2011/05/18/2492185/diego-nearing-wolfsburg-exit-report

[philipl]

Mail saying Arsenal are to bid £12m for Samba

[Iceman]

Strikers : Vagner Love and Jo

i know Jo didnt set the PL alight, but his partnership with Vagner Love was very good when at CSKA Moscow. Again, i know its the Russian League...

[Hughesy]

Strikers : Vagner Love and Jo

i know Jo didnt set the PL alight, but his partnership with Vagner Love was very good when at CSKA Moscow. Again, i know its the Russian League...

Would be expensive, so id go with proven premier league ability.

Ba, Sturridge, Odemwingie, Wellbeck, Defoe

[Iceman]

Would be expensive, so id go with proven premier league ability.

Ba, Sturridge, Odemwingie, Wellbeck, Defoe

No chance West Brom would let Odemwingie leave them, to join us. We had the opportunity a few years ago to sign Odemwingie

[Hughesy]

No chance West Brom would let Odemwingie leave them, to join us. We had the opportunity a few years ago to sign Odemwingie

All depends on the direction which we are taking….if we go out and sign 3 or 4 good players then ambition & money talks….offer a fair amount and there is no reason why he shouldn’t come here if we are showing ambition

[pick32]

Diego would be an amazing signing and would be our best player by a mile.

Also the championship is full of quality right backs I think Clyne and Gunter have already been mentioned but there is also Matthews from Cardiff and lee Hodgeson from Watford.