[Archived] Keith Andrews

[K-Hod]

OOJW- whilst your points have brought some sanity/reason to this debate- I think it is all related to playing at this level.

What is abundantly clear is that the confidence of Andrews is shot to pieces, even if he was feeling chipper and on top of the world, he still wouldn't be good enough for our team, the premiership, or a lot of teams in the top half of the championship.

[ada2020]

Your point is.....?

Andrews is guff, thats what the point is and numerous people can see it.

Robbie being a pro footballerb himslef, makes it painfully obvious and adds further weight to the argument according to your little rant further back.

[BrownieFC]

According to sky sports he is facing a late fitness test so looks like people will be getting there wish and he wont be playing against Blackpool.

[onlyonejackwalker]

OOJW- whilst your points have brought some sanity/reason to this debate- I think it is all related to playing at this level.

What is abundantly clear is that the confidence of Andrews is shot to pieces, even if he was feeling chipper and on top of the world, he still wouldn't be good enough for our team, the premiership, or a lot of teams in the top half of the championship.

Cheers K-Hod, I think a little reason is beneficial in these type of debates and that is what I tried to achieve.

Andrews is guff, thats what the point is and numerous people can see it.

Robbie being a pro footballerb himslef, makes it painfully obvious and adds further weight to the argument according to your little rant further back.

Ok. So people are willing to blindly use Savage's opinion as the oracle, (a footballer, not a football manager), but choose to make no reference to Ince, SA, Kean or Trappatoni. Classic!

[Kelbo]

Your point is.....?

My point is proffessionals see him that way too.

[ada2020]

Cheers K-Hod, I think a little reason is beneficial in these type of debates and that is what I tried to achieve.

Ok. So people are willing to blindly use Savage's opinion as the oracle, (a footballer, not a football manager), but choose to make no reference to Ince, SA, Kean or Trappatoni. Classic!

Ince has said in interviews since that he bought KA because he had little choice given the finance available.

Allardyce used him, so what, in his first season after Ince was sacked he had little choice given injuries (a problem throughout much of Sam's tenure).

He earned a new contract based on an appearences clause written into his original contract, appearences he would not have made had we been financed better in the first place.

Trappatoni, picked and plays for Ireland, said it before but I'll say it again for your benefit, Ireland are not world beaters, there are many international players in the world, and just as many are not Premier League standard.

Kean, picks him, many on here dont rate Kean as a manager (a stance I dare say you take), so how does this lend any weight to Andrews case?

I dont rate him as a premier league player look at his career prior to joining us do, when a guy like Savage calls you poor there is something in it.

Is that enough for you, CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!

[onlyonejackwalker]

Ince has said in interviews since that he bought KA because he had little choice given the finance available.

Allardyce used him, so what, in his first season after Ince was sacked he had little choice given injuries (a problem throughout much of Sam's tenure).

He earned a new contract based on an appearences clause written into his original contract, appearences he would not have made had we been financed better in the first place.

Trappatoni, picked and plays for Ireland, said it before but I'll say it again for your benefit, Ireland are not world beaters, there are many international players in the world, and just as many are not Premier League standard.

Kean, picks him, many on here dont rate Kean as a manager (a stance I dare say you take), so how does this lend any weight to Andrews case?

I dont rate him as a premier league player look at his career prior to joining us do, when a guy like Savage calls you poor there is something in it.

Is that enough for you, CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!

Classic Reply. Savage also stated that his mother's house was nearer to Blackburn than Birmingham, which was proven to be factually incorrect.

[ada2020]

Classic Reply. Savage also stated that his mother's house was nearer to Blackburn than Birmingham, which was proven to be factually incorrect.

Geography isnt his strong point clearly, however he is a pro footballer which gives his opinion on Keith a little more substance than yours.

Anyhow, nice to see you had such a well reasoned come back there.

[blue_and_white]

According to sky sports he is facing a late fitness test so looks like people will be getting there wish and he wont be playing against Blackpool.

Watch out Roberts and Pedersen then! The anti-support scapegoat gang will no doubt turn their ire on them.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Geography isnt his strong point clearly, however he is a pro footballer which gives his opinion on Keith a little more substance than yours.

Anyhow, nice to see you had such a well reasoned come back there.

Yes of course Robbie knows more than me.

Ince, SA, Kean and Trappatoni meanwhile know more than you.

So who is correct? Four managers, or Robbie?

"Anyhow, nice to see you had such a well reasoned come back there."

I presume this is being sarcastic, but may be wrong. I could have responded to each and all your points, but the reason I did not do that is I dont want people thinking I am Andrews biggest fan and also I am not arguing with folk about his abilities. I don't think he should be playing and have said as much.

Equally, the OP who stated he can't pass, can't shoot, can't dribble, can't tackle, can't poor milk on his cornflakes is wrong and that was my reason for replying to his comments.

[den]

Equally, the OP who stated he can't poor milk on his cornflakes is wrong and that was my reason for replying to his comments.

Don't be stupid, course he can.

BTW, can no-one watch a player and make their own minds up about him? Who cares who picks him, - unless you all believe a supporter doesn't know the difference between a player and a carthorse? By some of the logic used on here, Shefki Kuqi is definitely a quality footballer.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Don't be stupid, course he can.

Stupid? Ok mate, call me names if it makes you feel bigger and better.

BTW, can no-one watch a player and make their own minds up about him? Who cares who picks him, - unless you all believe a supporter doesn't know the difference between a player and a carthorse? By some of the logic used on here, Shefki Kuqi is definitely a quality footballer.

I would not personally call him a qaulity player, but each to their own. Is he good enough to play pro-football...ermmm...yes. You see the proof in the pudding is do these players who you all believe to be rubbish get paid for playing football? If the answer is yes then you need to ask yourself why? Once you have worked it out, we can happily chat again, but try and avoid the silly name calling if possible.

[den]

I would not personally call him a qaulity player, but each to their own. Is he good enough to play pro-football...ermmm...yes. You see the proof in the pudding is do these players who you all believe to be rubbish get paid for playing football? If the answer is yes then you need to ask yourself why? Once you have worked it out, we can happily chat again, but try and avoid the silly name calling if possible.

The name calling was obviously a joke - corn flakes - pouring milk? I didn't want to get involved in all this again, but yes, he's played professional football. So what?

From all the posts, from all those supporting him because of his abilities - what does he do well? This is badly timed with the Blackpool match coming up, but when people come on and say the fans know nothing about football, it ires me.

[CrazyIvan]

I would not personally call him a qaulity player, but each to their own. Is he good enough to play pro-football...ermmm...yes. You see the proof in the pudding is do these players who you all believe to be rubbish get paid for playing football? If the answer is yes then you need to ask yourself why? Once you have worked it out, we can happily chat again, but try and avoid the silly name calling if possible.

The debate continues...

One comment. Andrews is apparently very good in training where the manager and the other players see him day in, day out. Now that does not mean he's any good come match day as it's a totally different environment and psychologically much more testing. So all of these managers, previous and current, have seen Andrews in training and pick him on the basis of what they see. We, however, only see him for 90 minutes of frantic, fast paced football and some of us have blinkers that would ignore any decent thing Andrews does and others (much fewer it has to be said) only see him through rose-tinted spectacles. The vast majority see someone who occasionally does do something well, more often is caught out of position but he never stops working. Generally, we don't think he's good enough for the Premier League. Would we change our minds if we saw him in training every day?

[Kelbo]

Yes of course Robbie knows more than me.

Ince, SA, Kean and Trappatoni meanwhile know more than you.

So who is correct? Four managers, or Robbie? Plus the managers at Wolves, Hull City etc

"Anyhow, nice to see you had such a well reasoned come back there."

I presume this is being sarcastic, but may be wrong. I could have responded to each and all your points, but the reason I did not do that is I dont want people thinking I am Andrews biggest fan and also I am not arguing with folk about his abilities. I don't think he should be playing and have said as much.

Equally, the OP who stated he can't pass, can't shoot, can't dribble, can't tackle, can't poor milk on his cornflakes is wrong and that was my reason for replying to his comments. He probably can pour milk over his corn flakes but struggles passing wind and in my experience within the game I dont need Trappotini or anyone else trying to tell me otherwise, he has no pace either, is poor in the tackle and decision making is awful

[rebelmswar]

The debate continues...

One comment. Andrews is apparently very good in training where the manager and the other players see him day in, day out. Now that does not mean he's any good come match day as it's a totally different environment and psychologically much more testing. So all of these managers, previous and current, have seen Andrews in training and pick him on the basis of what they see. We, however, only see him for 90 minutes of frantic, fast paced football and some of us have blinkers that would ignore any decent thing Andrews does and others (much fewer it has to be said) only see him through rose-tinted spectacles. The vast majority see someone who occasionally does do something well, more often is caught out of position but he never stops working. Generally, we don't think he's good enough for the Premier League. Would we change our minds if we saw him in training every day?

Performance in training, while a good thing, does not always jive with reality.

I have seen countless recruits acting like Rambo and then pissing themself when hearing the buzz past the ear and refusing to move.

Different profession, same result.

[1864roverite]

OOJW

I read your comments and acknowledge your views.

Having watched and played the game for over 40 years now I think my views on what a footballer needs to play the game at the highest level are mirrored by a lot of other members. I view your opinion and accept it differs from mine and I dont have an issue with that.

If you think Andrews is a complete footballer, bearing in mind he has failed at every club he has played for bar The MK Dons, then I would ask this of you.

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHEN KEITH ANDREWS IS GOING TO BRING TO THE GAME THE ATTRIBUTES WHICH YOU SO CLEARLY THINK HE POSSESSES ?

Now then I note you agree he isnt a Premiership player but being a so called professional footballer I also wondered when he is going to justify his earnings at Rovers so far, in his career overall as a flop and indeed his achievements on the field.

Yes I dont like the lad, its not personal its a club thing. I love my club but I know there are players there who do not deserve to wear our colours. Andrews tops my list.

BTW there is no need to mention my hatred for the lad just please try and answer the question above seeing you alone think he is a footballer deserving of the term PROFESSIONAL.

[onlyonejackwalker]

OOJW

I read your comments and acknowledge your views.

Having watched and played the game for over 40 years now I think my views on what a footballer needs to play the game at the highest level are mirrored by a lot of other members. I view your opinion and accept it differs from mine and I dont have an issue with that.

If you think Andrews is a complete footballer, bearing in mind he has failed at every club he has played for bar The MK Dons, then I would ask this of you.

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHEN KEITH ANDREWS IS GOING TO BRING TO THE GAME THE ATTRIBUTES WHICH YOU SO CLEARLY THINK HE POSSESSES ?

Now then I note you agree he isnt a Premiership player but being a so called professional footballer I also wondered when he is going to justify his earnings at Rovers so far, in his career overall as a flop and indeed his achievements on the field.

Yes I dont like the lad, its not personal its a club thing. I love my club but I know there are players there who do not deserve to wear our colours. Andrews tops my list.

BTW there is no need to mention my hatred for the lad just please try and answer the question above seeing you alone think he is a footballer deserving of the term PROFESSIONAL.

1864 Roverite I have read your comment and acknowledge your view.

Having watched and played the game for over 35 years, I think I have learnt that professional people in sport know more than the average fan.

Please point me to the post in which I said Andrews is a "complete footballer". My memory is not what it was and highlighting this would help me reply to your posting. Just let me know if you made it up, no worries at my end.

Unfortunately, I am not alone in believing Andrews is a professional footballer. This is mirrored by those in professional sport who award contracts and allocate budgets. Far be it for me to pretend I know more than those employed in the game.

"CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHEN KEITH ANDREWS IS GOING TO BRING TO THE GAME THE ATTRIBUTES WHICH YOU SO CLEARLY THINK HE POSSESSES?"

Rovers manager's are answering that question for you by monitoring him in training and then selecting him in squads and teams.

Now be so good as to answer a question of mine please. I will use capitals also especially for you.

"HOW HAS KEITH ANDREWS MADE IT THIS FAR IN THE GAME IF HE IS AS USELESS AS YOU CATEGORICALLY STATE?"

Thanks.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Sorry what has he achieved in the game bar a career that consisted of wolves constantly shipping him out on loan where he never made the grade, then flogging him off to Hull. At Hull he played a massive 29 games before being turfed out to the mighty MK Dons of league two. In the mighty league two he sets the world alight with the richest club in the league. He then gets snapped up by his former manager to rovers, where after being consistantly crap he is parked on the bench, the manager darn't play him in home games in fear of a fans backlash because he is that bad.

Andrews is a professional footballer, yes. He was carving out a half decent career for himself as a league 1/2 'frank lamapard', being abit of a allrounder who picked up goals. He is now way way above his level and should leave for the sake of his career and 90% of the fans sanity.

[The Harwood Yankee]

Sorry what has he achieved in the game bar a career that consisted of wolves constantly shipping him out on loan where he never made the grade, then flogging him off to Hull. At Hull he played a massive 29 games before being turfed out to the mighty MK Dons of league two. In the mighty league two he sets the world alight with the richest club in the league. He then gets snapped up by his former manager to rovers, where after being consistantly crap he is parked on the bench, the manager darn't play him in home games in fear of a fans backlash because he is that bad.

Andrews is a professional footballer, yes. He was carving out a half decent career for himself as a league 1/2 'frank lamapard', being abit of a allrounder who picked up goals. He is now way way above his level and should leave for the sake of his career and 90% of the fans sanity.

Probably the best post in this entire thread.

[1864roverite]

Your question OOJW is really an enigma.

I have no idea why Ince, who I might add IMO is a complete buffoon as a premiership manager, decided that KA was fot enough to play in the Premier League.

As for SAM ? Well I can only guess we were that shprt he had to play him.

Kean is in the same league as Ince, a buffoon on what he has shown us so far.

Trappatoni ? Well we all that The Rep Ireland have such a shortage of players and are a team who regularly trawl the lower leagues that he must have felt he had won the lottery by having an Ireland midfielder at a very good club.

I am still waiting for Andrews to bring to the game what he brings in training then. BTWE, in my profession I see many who are good in the classroom scenario but are totally useless at doing the job for real, I am certain you will have seen in in your walk of life.

Now I take you back to the game on Saturday. Charlie Adam has done the rounds in Scotland and then found himself in The Championship and then the top league. I watched him run around for 88 minutes or so, tackling, chasing, heading, scoring, shooting and passing. That is what a midfielder should be doing and in comparing him to Andrews, who you say is a good trainer by word of mouth of a buffoon of a manager and you see what I mean.

Adams versus Andrews is a nonety by comparison.

I will continue to read this thread with interest and read others observations. I cant wait to finally read one where there is evidence that he is a good honest premiership footballer with skill, nouse and a work ethic worthy of the title.

I do fear though that it is something that wont ever be written upon this board.

[47er]

Some good news, or, given Palace apparently want to buy him, could be bad news!

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/Sport.cfm?id=10574&headline=Exclusive%3A

[rebelmswar]

Some good news, or, given Palace apparently want to buy him, could be bad news!

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/Sport.cfm?id=10574&headline=Exclusive%3A

Good News - Someone wants to buy him.

Bad News - He is out for the season. He does not want to leave. Come next season he could well be our best player.

[broadsword]

The debate continues...

One comment. Andrews is apparently very good in training where the manager and the other players see him day in, day out.

He's very quick at putting the cones out?

[Majiball]

He's very quick at putting the cones out?

He's always collecting them in after the sessions, apparently he even sorts them out into colours before returning them to the coach.

Good lad.