[Archived] Keith Andrews

[rebelmswar]

Spot on Theno. We who have played the game at a decent level know the effect that so called supporters booing a player has on the whole team

. It is not just the player these idiots single out that suffer, it is ALL the team and it leads to arguing and general disruption in the dressing room. Which is the very last thing that Rovers need right now.

As much as I respect you two and your experiance, I have to ask if criticism has no benifit at all?

I understand the dislike of booing a player, I myself find it terrible and shocking when I hear and see it. I do not see however how voicing ones opinions on his limitations can cause him harm. If you are performing badly in your very well paid job, does it not make sense to be told? Not that I think he pays any attention to what is said on here.

This all goes back to feeling. I lost all faith in the future of sports when my daughter got a medal for going to training.

There is a serious lack of telling the truth in this world and the sheltering of people is what started it.

[CrazyIvan]

As much as I respect you two and your experiance, I have to ask if criticism has no benifit at all?

I understand the dislike of booing a player, I myself find it terrible and shocking when I hear and see it. I do not see however how voicing ones opinions on his limitations can cause him harm. If you are performing badly in your very well paid job, does it not make sense to be told? Not that I think he pays any attention to what is said on here.

This all goes back to feeling. I lost all faith in the future of sports when my daughter got a medal for going to training.

There is a serious lack of telling the truth in this world and the sheltering of people is what started it.

Getting criticism from your boss is fine. Getting it from the paying public en masse is destructive. It isn't criticism from the booers anyway, it's hatred mostly. Huge difference.

[Guest linganzi]

The destructive element of mass booing Andrews is evident and needs to stop. While he is picked and id rather he wasn't he gets my support

[Kelbo]

Keith Andrews is technically no worse than Shefki Kuqi and not far behind Robbie Savage, both relative favourites with the fans. Why? Because they went out there and at least looked like they were giving everything - chasing the ball, hounding the opposition, tackling etc. If Keith at least did this when picked he'd get a damn better reaction than his pointing and marking space approach does. Certainly from me anyway

Kuqi won us games with some brave goals, Savage was very useful to the team, in fact Hughes built the midfield around Sav pressing and winning the ball and giving it to someone who could play, in my opinion Andrews isnt capable of doing that as he simply cant tackle or get to the ball in time!!

No need to boo him though, I just think he is an extremely poor player!

[greco]

Getting criticism from your boss is fine. Getting it from the paying public en masse is destructive. It isn't criticism from the booers anyway, it's hatred mostly. Huge difference.

wow.. first we get the nazi reference(not yours) and then we get a generelization, about it all being hatred.

personally i dont think its hatred, but more a question of misunderstood love for the club. In a way, they probably feel they are doing the club a favour, if they can get rid, of what they percieve, to the clubs weakest link.

[CrazyIvan]

wow.. first we get the nazi reference(not yours) and then we get a generelization, about it all being hatred.

personally i dont think its hatred, but more a question of misunderstood love for the club. In a way, they probably feel they are doing the club a favour, if they can get rid, of what they percieve, to the clubs weakest link.

I've heard many, many times from the booing section vehement 'I hate Andrews' comments. It's really got nothing to do with doing the club a favour and comparing my 'generalisation' to the Nazi comment is totally out of order. (Oh and I DID NOT say it's all about hatred either) They're on a totally different level. I've been stood feet away from youths (generally) cursing and swearing because Andrews is on the pitch, even to the point of punching the walls and that is no exaggeration. The hate comment happens often and consistently. There really is nothing at all of benefit to the club in booing Andrews.

[Mattyblue]

They don't actually HATE the fella, surely?

[rebelmswar]

I don't

[BPF]

I don't hate the man.

I just realise that he is nowhere near good enough to play at this level.

[CrazyIvan]

They don't actually HATE the fella, surely?

Some of the comments and the way they are said would say so, yes. I would say there is a significant portion of the booers who actively hate Andrews. Nothing else could explain their behaviour.

I don't hate the man.

I just realise that he is nowhere near good enough to play at this level.

Snap...

[greco]

I've heard many, many times from the booing section vehement 'I hate Andrews' comments. It's really got nothing to do with doing the club a favour and comparing my 'generalisation' to the Nazi comment is totally out of order. (Oh and I DID NOT say it's all about hatred either) They're on a totally different level. I've been stood feet away from youths (generally) cursing and swearing because Andrews is on the pitch, even to the point of punching the walls and that is no exaggeration. The hate comment happens often and consistently. There really is nothing at all of benefit to the club in booing Andrews.

i never compared your post with the nazi comment. i just felt that both were "blown out proportion" comments.

my guess would be, that they dont hate andrews per se, but hate that he is playing and as youths are overreacting a bit. Perhaps youve been young once yourself and know the feeling.

[Al]

I don't hate Andrews. I don't hate anybody. Hate is a very strong word.

For the record I, personally, have never boo'd the man. I just understand why many do. They just don't want him anywhere near the team and neither do I. Please tell me how else they can let their feelings be known. Obviously nobody takes notice of this messageboard.

[den]

As much as I respect you two and your experiance, I have to ask if criticism has no benifit at all?

I understand the dislike of booing a player, I myself find it terrible and shocking when I hear and see it. I do not see however how voicing ones opinions on his limitations can cause him harm. If you are performing badly in your very well paid job, does it not make sense to be told? Not that I think he pays any attention to what is said on here.

Correct Rebelsmwar. The fans are sending out a message to the player, to the manager, to the local press and to anyone who listens. They can make a judgement about how many, or how few are objecting to what they see, but they should try to understand what it's all about. The recipients, in this case KA and Kean can either listen and understand, or ignore it. They would be well advised to listen and respond in the way they see fit - that's their prerogative as it is the fans prerogative to object to whatever they like. No way should anyone even consider telling those fans what they should, or shouldn't do.

And usually it takes quite a lot before fans start booing their own team/manager etc. - and when the booing comes from a lot of fans, it's usually because they're right. So, while I would never boo a rovers player, I totally defend anyone else's right to boo them. Does it actually do anything to improve things? - yes, sometimes it does.

Could be next weeks topic of the week.

[thenodrog]

That's partly true mate....

When Downing broke down the right he was the only rovers player who could have cut him off or at least made it difficult for him, but he just ambles around, no urgency, he should have busted his gut to get to downing and his attitude on top of his obvious technical frailties means that he should never play again for us. Championship player at best.

That was absolutely indefensible. God only knows what was going through his kind at the time, he only had to run and not even run with the ball. In that situation he simply had to get between his opponent and the goals. It's basic and his only excuse was laziness, and that is completely unforgiveable. Extra fitness training all week should have been his reward after the others have gone home.... or do they not do that anymore?

[rebelmswar]

That would be cruel and unusual punishment, would probably have blue helmets posted around the training ground handing out grain.

[CrazyIvan]

i never compared your post with the nazi comment. i just felt that both were "blown out proportion" comments.

my guess would be, that they dont hate andrews per se, but hate that he is playing and as youths are overreacting a bit. Perhaps youve been young once yourself and know the feeling.

Putting the word 'then' in your original statement is putting my comment and the Nazi one in the same box whether you like it or not.

As for over-reacting youths, no they weren't over-reacting because they behave like that all the time and are incredibly aggressive. How old do you think I am anyway?

Anyway, my point remains. Booing Andrews doesn't help anyone. Not in the slightest.

[Kelbo]

I think a point of note here, with young players, consistency is difficult as they havent got the experience of the older players, Andrews is 28/29, he is an experienced proffessional footballer, as you gain experience in football, you learn to play within your limitations and make good decisions, in my opinion, he really should be making better decisions than he does, irrespective of his ability, his decision making should get him through a game given his age and experience and that, along with him not being a very good player is his big problem.

[broadsword]

Andrews is 30 I think.

[CrazyIvan]

do you have a problem, with your reading and comprehension skills.?

when i say it didnt compare the 2 comments, then i didnt compare them. So quit being a baby and accept what is being written.

youths tend to show their emotions in a look-at-me-way, as they want to appear tough and get a bit of attention. Hence the word overreacting. Seriously, what logic is there behind your comment, they dont overreact, because they do it all the time..? Surely that proves my point, that they indeed are overreacting.

Ah, resort to insults... You should go back and read what you wrote objectively. Also, actually read what I have written and respond to that rather than what you think I wrote, you'd be better off.

The youths aren't over-reacting. It's normal behaviour for them. It's out of order anyway.

Finally, because I can't be bothered with you anymore, my point still stands. Booing and abusing Andrews does not help the players, club or our current situation in any way. Is that clear enough for you?

[greco]

Ah, resort to insults... You should go back and read what you wrote objectively. Also, actually read what I have written and respond to that rather than what you think I wrote, you'd be better off.

The youths aren't over-reacting. It's normal behaviour for them. It's out of order anyway.

Finally, because I can't be bothered with you anymore, my point still stands. Booing and abusing Andrews does not help the players, club or our current situation in any way. Is that clear enough for you?

persons who writes nazi comments or resort to labelling others as pure haters, just because they have another opinion, are too desperate in a debate. More often then not, they are the real losers of the debate and use those arguments, as a last desperate attempt to "win" the debate.

oh the sweet irony.

[CrazyIvan]

persons who writes nazi comments or resort to labelling others as pure haters, just because they have another opinion, are too desperate in a debate. More often then not, they are the real losers of the debate and use those arguments, as a last desperate attempt to "win" the debate.

oh the sweet irony.

When did I say 'pure haters'? Get off this idiotic soap box and READ what I wrote.

Again, booing Andrews does not benefit anyone. You are trolling so I'll ignore...

[Amo]

Please tell me how else they can let their feelings be known. Obviously nobody takes notice of this messageboard.

Leave and never set foot into a game until Andrews has been booted.

A concept lost on many a football fan. Instead, they've paid their money, so they're entitled to boo and hiss as much bile as possible. That's being a true supporter.

[greco]

When did I say 'pure haters'? Get off this idiotic soap box and READ what I wrote.

Again, booing Andrews does not benefit anyone. You are trolling so I'll ignore...

you said it was hate. You just cant stop being a baby, first people are haters and now its trolls, you are definetly a "debate-desperado".

[HemelRover]

CrazyEvan and Greco. I reckon its time to call it quits now and move on. The debate is swiftly moving into argument status.

[CrazyIvan]

I don't think everybody who boos Andrews hates him. Some people certainly do. My point has been and still is that booing Andrews does nobody any good. Argue THAT point other wise you are just trolling. I didn't call 'people' trolls but you are being one whether you like it or not with your 'being a baby' comments. I'm quite happy to have a good debate about something like this but what you've been doing is nothing like that. Finally, debate about booing is one thing you putting words in my mouth is quite another and I take exception to that as I imagine you would.