[Archived] Steve Kean

[Mattyblue]

Difference being imy we were not struggling and had an experienced manager already in place that was getting the most out of an average squad.

No reason AT ALL to make a change in December.

[chaddyrovers]

Difference being we were not struggling and had an experienced manager already in place that was getting the most out of an average squad.

No reason AT ALL to make a change in December.

second that. The owners didn't get that! plus any any of Kean signings been any good? JJ has been the best but he has not been that good tbh.

[Mattyblue]

No chaddy you need to +1

[imy9]

Difference being imy we were not struggling and had an experienced manager already in place that was getting the most out of an average squad.

No reason AT ALL to make a change in December.

Nor were Newcastle and in relative terms neither were West Brom, but the chairmen obviously made the correct decisions looking at the league table, my point is that if a decent manager had been installed then I dont think Sams sacking would be mentioned as often on here.

[Mattyblue]

But no manager WAS lined up, so your point holds no water!

[dopper69]

I actually feel quite sorry for Kean (as sorry as I can for someone earning £0000's a week).

I get the impression that he has a 'footballing' brain and should be lauded for trying to get us to play some form of attacking football, however gross mismanagement and miscommunication at the highest level within the club must be a continued distraction.

He still has my support, and I fully expect that we shall be plying our trade in the top flight next season.

[rebelmswar]

Did Sams football overall look pretty?

Does Keans football look pretty?

Did Sam deserve to be sacked for that?

Does Kean have the experiance for a Premier League job?

Has the results improved since the apointment?

Have the results, statistically, worsened since his appointment?

If we continue in this run of form will we be relegated?

By answering these question truthfully and honestly you can see that the whole "Should Sam have been sacked and replaced with Kean?" argument is as pointless as it is indefensible.

[Mattyblue]

What is 'attacking football', we scored plenty of goals week in week out at Ewood under hoof merchant, isnt goalscoring the point of attacking?

[imy9]

But no manager WAS lined up, so your point holds no water!

"The point that I am making is that if an experienced manager arrived at Rovers following Sams sacking then I believe that we would not be in the position that we are in right now (IMO), thus fans wanting Sam gone and replaced with an experienced manager does not make them "thick"

[HemelRover]

the whole "Should Sam have been sacked and replaced with Kean?" argument is as pointless as it is indefensible.

Is anyone actually discussing that though? Its "Should Sam have been sacked and replaced with a proper, experienced manager rather than the brown nosed wannabe"?

[rebelmswar]

If I ever met that emoticon on the street I would shoot it.

[Mattyblue]

Ok imy, Martin Jol is brought in and allowed a similar budget to what Kean had to use in January- is he going to do substantially better than Allardyce before May? Highly doubtful- SO WHY DO IT MIDEASON!

[imy9]

If I ever met that emoticon on the street I would shoot it.

*sigh*, cant find the emotion but thats how I feel.

[Mattyblue]

*sigh*, cant find the emotion but thats how I feel.

You're not the only one!

[HemelRover]

Ok imy, Martin Jol is brough in and allowed a similar budget to what Kean had to use in January- he is going to so substantially better than Allardyce before May? Highly dountful- SO WHY DO IT MIDEASON!

Rao's Ideal situation:

Sam sacked and replaced with experinced manager, lets say Jol.

Jol then has the remainder of the season to bed himself in. Assess the playing staff, identify and scout targets. Then in the summer the club can move upwards alongside the Rao's dream.

Shame it all fell on its arse really.

[dopper69]

What is 'attacking football', we scored plenty of goals week in week out at Ewood under hoof merchant, isnt goalscoring the point of attacking?

Whilst not wanting to get into the Sam or Kean debate (it's pretty pointless debate considering that it cannot be argued that Sam didn't achieve more than Kean has at the minute) I thoroughly believe that the entertainment factor has been much better following Sam's dismissal.

I think that Sam's over reliance on % football cost him his job and I also see it as a reason why I cant imagine him returning to top flight management any time soon. Whilst there is a place in the game for % football there needs to be a happy medium, alike to Aston Villa's style of football under MON. I believe that Kean tries to set up this way however being as in-experineced as he his, he has yet to find the correct balance.

[Mattyblue]

I thoroughly believe that the entertainment factor has been much better following Sam's dismissal.

You've got to be joking! It has been a less effective version of Allardyce football for the last three months!

(With ZERO wins)

[John]

I believe that Kean tries to set up this way however being as in-experineced as he his, he has yet to find the correct balance.

Obviously, because his results have been awful and we clearly don't have the players to do so.

I am sure some people are on a wind up on this topic.

[rebelmswar]

Is anyone actually discussing that though? Its "Should Sam have been sacked and replaced with a proper, experienced manager rather than the brown nosed wannabe"?

Oh...

He shouldn't have been sacked in the first place.

I don't see how ANY manager could play pretty football AND WIN with the players we have on hand.

Sacking a manager for not playing sexy is the most stupid thing I have heard, and I listen to myself.

One would imagine it could be deemed acceptable if you have a couple of million pound to throw at the issue, completely revamp the squad, coaching staff, etc.

As we don't it was fecking stupid, verging on repugnant, and completely indefensible.

[imy9]

Rao's Ideal situation:

Sam sacked and replaced with experinced manager, lets say Jol.

Jol then has the remainder of the season to bed himself in. Assess the playing staff, identify and scout targets. Then in the summer the club can move upwards alongside the Rao's dream.

Shame it all fell on its arse really.

The point I was making- this major decision was wrong, the rest we can see for ourselves, how many Rovers fans would not have minded this 'ideal situation', does not make them thick!

[dopper69]

You've got to be joking! It has been a less effective version of Allardyce football for the last three months!

I can't agree with you - the emergence of Hoilett under Kean is because of the freedom that has been granted to him playing for an inexperienced manager. I have no doubt in my mind that Hoilett would still be getting 8 minute cameos under Sam.

[Amo]

Obviously, because his results have been awful and we clearly don't have the players to do so.

Towards the tail-end of last season, the football under Sam improved, because we were safe and he decided to let the shackles off. And we didn't sacrifice any of our defensive play in the process. Unfortunately, we didn't start the season in the same vein. Back to the 'safety first' percentage football, which although functional was bloomin' torture to watch. Sam's tenure in a nutshell.

[Mattyblue]

I can't agree with you - the emergence of Hoilett under Kean is because of the freedom that has been granted to him playing for an inexperienced manager. I have no doubt in my mind that Hoilett would still be getting 8 minute cameos under Sam.

We haven't won a match for three months and been dragged into a relgation battle and you find it more entertaining than being a top half side?

This board has driven me crackers tonight

[John]

I can't agree with you - the emergence of Hoilett under Kean is because of the freedom that has been granted to him playing for an inexperienced manager. I have no doubt in my mind that Hoilett would still be getting 8 minute cameos under Sam.

Cool - good to see Junior doing well, let's hope he keeps performing and we continue to draw/lose games from now until the end of the season.

As long as he develops it should be OK.

Towards the tail-end of last season, the football under Sam improved, because we were safe and he decided to let the shackles off. And we didn't sacrifice any of our defensive play in the process. Unfortunately, we didn't start the season in the same vein. Back to the 'safety first' percentage football, which although functional was bloomin' torture to watch. Sam's tenure in a nutshell.

We don't have the attacking players to consistently pick up results!

Would have thought you would have noticed by now....

[rebelmswar]

Whilst not wanting to get into the Sam or Kean debate (it's pretty pointless debate considering that it cannot be argued that Sam didn't achieve more than Kean has at the minute) I thoroughly believe that the entertainment factor has been much better following Sam's dismissal.

Really? I mean really? Truely? Honest to whatever you believe in?

I find the entertainment value akin to being tortured viciously with razor blades and lemon juice, blindfolded.

We are on the verge of being relegated and the only thing we have to cheer lately is goals we score just to draw level.