[Archived] Steve Kean

[SamTheShrew]

It's a valid point John, the money we get from selling him when we are in the Championship will come in useful

[rebelmswar]

It's a valid point John, the money we get from selling him when we are in the Championship will come in useful

To pay the remaining players wages for a month ir so.

[SamTheShrew]

Yep, all those one's with newly removed relegation adjustment clauses

farce

[booth]

I thoroughly believe that the entertainment factor has been much better following Sam's dismissal.

How? Why? What? Who?

[chaddyrovers]

The owners didn't have a plan B after maradona turn the job down. so the advisors suggest letting SK have it till the end of the season and the because we won against Liverpool and WBA twice then they decided to give it to him on a full time basis and 2 and half contract.

the owners did not draw up a shortlist of managers of people who would be interest in taking over from sam allardyce before they sacked him. this is where the problem occur for them plus they did not ask John Williams to draw up a shortlish of potential managers who would have been interest in the rovers job. who has experience of appointting managers.

The owners have to realise that they made a mistake in appoint Kean and in the summer they have rectified their mistake and sack him and appoint a proven manager whether we stay up or go down

[bellamy11]

This board has driven me crackers tonight

Think you need to take a break and do something else Matty!

[rebelmswar]

The owners didn't have a plan B after maradona turn the job down. so the advisors suggest letting SK have it till the end of the season and the because we won against Liverpool and WBA twice then they decided to give it to him on a full time basis and 2 and half contract.

the owners did not draw up a shortlist of managers of people who would be interest in taking over from sam allardyce before they sacked him. this is where the problem occur for them plus they did not ask John Williams to draw up a shortlish of potential managers who would have been interest in the rovers job. who has experience of appointting managers.

The owners have to realise that they made a mistake in appoint Kean and in the summer they have rectified their mistake and sack him and appoint a proven manager whether we stay up or go down

Mrs D tell you all of that did she?

[Kelbo]

Whilst not wanting to get into the Sam or Kean debate (it's pretty pointless debate considering that it cannot be argued that Sam didn't achieve more than Kean has at the minute) I thoroughly believe that the entertainment factor has been much better following Sam's dismissal.

I think that Sam's over reliance on % football cost him his job and I also see it as a reason why I cant imagine him returning to top flight management any time soon. Whilst there is a place in the game for % football there needs to be a happy medium, alike to Aston Villa's style of football under MON. I believe that Kean tries to set up this way however being as in-experineced as he his, he has yet to find the correct balance.

I do hope these comments are a joke and not serious, I dont have a go at posters on here but really your comments got me so close!!

Keans correct balance, Accy Stanley reserves, sorry John, I know you and Jimmy will give me pain for that one!!

[dopper69]

I do hope these comments are a joke and not serious, I dont have a go at posters on here but really your comments got me so close!!

How close?

[Kelbo]

How close?

see above and ask JC and JB, both better than Kean!!

[Exiled in Toronto]

It's really not.

At the time of Allardyce's sacking (before a replacement was named) the likes of EiT were very much behind the sacking.

However, a LET poll carried out showed that around 75% of Rovers fans were against the sacking, even when we were being linked with Martin Jol in the media at the same time.

It's what a small proportion of thick headed Rovers fans were thinking. Just because you were thinking the same, it doesn't make you part of the majority.

Just when we get the discussion civil again...our poster who cannot debate without hurling insults pops up, quelle suprise.

You have no idea what I thought about his sacking, because I didn't post anything about it.

[dopper69]

see above and ask JC and JB, both better than Kean!!

So, which comments do you take offence to?

[Kelbo]

I thoroughly believe that the entertainment factor has been much better following Sam's dismissal.

Entertainment comes in two forms, attractive football and winning football, together they are fine apart there is no entertainment factor as people give up on losing sides, players heads drop and there is noit the same 'bottle' within the side, this rubs off on the supporters which really equates to non entertainment, thats what losing/not winning games does. Go home after a game, sit in a dressing room after a game and look at faces, I've been there, its horrible, players play to win!

Developing players ia a club thing also, good young players thrive with experienced and successful players around them, they are brought through gradually and gain their confidence through playing games but the right kind of games where they can flourish, this is where good management comes in to play. Go back years and look at the young players brought through with their clubs, they would have good games and then its rest time!!

Its no secret that Owen suffered through an early career start, as at a young age the bone and muscle growth differs, consequently future injuries can be related to too many games too early at a young age, Majiballs your man to ask, he's a sports scientist and he'll put you right on that one.

[dopper69]

Not quite sure where the Sports Science lesson came from but thanks anyway.

Unfortunately I do not see entertainment and result as black and white as your post. An honest question - do you think that percentage football is gratifying to watch?

If Sam (or whoever) was to turn up at Barcelona, bring in a whole bunch of players suited to a more direct game, win the BBVA and the CL. Do you think the fans would be happy?

[John]

If Sam (or whoever) was to turn up at Barcelona, bring in a whole bunch of players suited to a more direct game, win the BBVA and the CL. Do you think the fans would be happy?

Really accurate comparison, us and Barcelona.

[Kelbo]

Not quite sure where the Sports Science lesson came from but thanks anyway.

Unfortunately I do not see entertainment and result as black and white as your post. An honest question - do you think that percentage football is gratifying to watch?

If Sam (or whoever) was to turn up at Barcelona, bring in a whole bunch of players suited to a more direct game, win the BBVA and the CL. Do you think the fans would be happy?

If Sam had Barcas transfer kitty, he would adopt a different style, Stan Ternant, despite him being a Dingle was right,'you cant race a Ferrari with a Mini'

Entertainment for me is seeing the team win and be in a decent league positon, its not entertainment forgetting when we acheived the last victory and struggling to stay in the division.

As for MON at Villa, have a look at what he spent on players!!

[dopper69]

If Sam had Barcas transfer kitty, he would adopt a different style, Stan Ternant, despite him being a Dingle was right,'you cant race a Ferrari with a Mini'

Entertainment for me is seeing the team win and be in a decent league positon, its not entertainment forgetting when we acheived the last victory and struggling to stay in the division.

As for MON at Villa, have a look at what he spent on players!!

Exactly. So what do you do if you want beat the Ferrari. You could try racing it again and again, hoping for a slice of lady luck, who knows the Ferrari could spin out on the last corner allowing the Mini to nip in and take the glory. Or do you try something new, take a risk - get the spanner out and start changing things searching for the correct set up?

As much as I don't think that Sam was a bad manager (it would be stupid to suggest otherwise) he was stagnant in his ideas and implementation of them on match day. He was never going to try and take the race to the Ferrari, just hope that the Ferrari would slip up some where. Whereas Kean (who I don't feel deserved the job BTW) isn't scared to get the spanner out and work on the Mini. Yes sometimes (a lot of the time?) the Mini breaks down but once the set up is fine tuned the Ferrari is going to have some competition.

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at with the MON reference. My earlier mention of him was purely on the way that he set up Aston Villa to play decent attacking football, in no way would I want him at our club.

Disclaimer - In no way would I have a Mini over a Ferrari

[Kelbo]

neither would I trust Kean as a manager or with a spanner!!

[philipl]

I am pretty certain that there was no Venky's plan to bring in an experienced manager until the weekend of the Fulham game. There certainly was a plan to remove Sam though...

[BangkokRover]

Might be time for a new Steve "Football Genius" Kean thread 125 pages and counting.

Of I look forward to the mods surmising all this information

[onlyonejackwalker]

Whilst not wanting to get into the Sam or Kean debate (it's pretty pointless debate considering that it cannot be argued that Sam didn't achieve more than Kean has at the minute) I thoroughly believe that the entertainment factor has been much better following Sam's dismissal.

I think that Sam's over reliance on % football cost him his job and I also see it as a reason why I cant imagine him returning to top flight management any time soon. Whilst there is a place in the game for % football there needs to be a happy medium, alike to Aston Villa's style of football under MON. I believe that Kean tries to set up this way however being as in-experineced as he his, he has yet to find the correct balance.

It is good to have a giggle in the morning and this post is very comical and cheered me up no end.

[SamTheShrew]

Might be time for a new Steve "Football Genius" Kean thread 125 pages and counting.

Of I look forward to the mods surmising all this information

I'll start a new one, with the title KEAN OUT

[Gamst]

Its interesting that according to Nicko the owners wanted rid of Sam because they didn't want him spending their money in January. Especially when you consider that both Kean and Sam had Roque as their main striking target. I'm not entirely sure how Sam could have spent the remaining 4million any worse considering Formica and Rochina have had zero impact. Granted, JJ is a useful player, but he is no game changer and I think his impact on results is minimal (see results since he has been here). I understand why they don't want Sam as manager and why they don't want him spending their poultry £5million (small amount by premiership standards), but to give the money to someone who has never bought a player or managed a club is ridiculous and we are paying for this naivety. I just can't believe that they could be this stupid. There must be another reason he was sacked or they must have had grander ideas for his replacement.

[John]

I just can't believe that they could be this stupid.

Neither can I - must be one of the most stupid and illogical decisions in recent times.

[den]

Its interesting that according to Nicko the owners wanted rid of Sam because they didn't want him spending their money in January. Especially when you consider that both Kean and Sam had Roque as their main striking target. I'm not entirely sure how Sam could have spent the remaining 4million any worse considering Formica and Rochina have had zero impact. Granted, JJ is a useful player, but he is no game changer and I think his impact on results is minimal (see results since he has been here). I understand why they don't want Sam as manager and why they don't want him spending their poultry £5million (small amount by premiership standards), but to give the money to someone who has never bought a player or managed a club is ridiculous and we are paying for this naivety. I just can't believe that they could be this stupid. There must be another reason he was sacked or they must have had grander ideas for his replacement.

Because Allardyce wouldn't have worked alongside Anderson. They wanted a yes man.

Bloomin' obvious.