[Archived] Steve Kean

[Amo]

And how many gunmen were there on the grassy knoll?

Just the one:

[Gav]

Just the one:

[Jimmy612]

You can look at it two different ways, and one of them isn't pleasant.

I just cannot understand why a coach, not even assistant manager, would turn down an opportunity to step up like that with nothing bigger on the horizon. I could perhaps understand it if we were Chelsea or Man Utd, but we aren't.

As Kelbo has said, Anderson will have been involved at that point who is Kean's agent. Add to that, Venky's will have been on the radar a long time before they actually took over. Allardyce certainly thinks that things were a little underhand when he spoke as a pundit on ESPN for the Arsenal game. If you place yourself in Allardyce's shoes you can begin to see why.

Something stinks about it, but it's all conspiracy theories at the moment I agree. It could be a strange coincidence that he just happened to turn down a big opportunity before we were taken over by new owners, who had been eased into the purchase by his agent.

I quite understand what you are saying Booth. It is strange that people cannot see that if Jerome Anderson believed he was going to play a big part in the appointment of a new manager, that he would have mentioned it to Kean that he thought he could talk Venkys into giving him the job.

He was behind Venkys when Allardyce was sacked, and I would argue that he played a huge part in that. The Man utd result was a lovely little coincidence to create an excuse, but I would bet that the sacking of Allardyce was planned way before that result.

People seem to forget that before Allardyce was sacked, Venkys had never even met the players never mind the first team coach. Quite bizarre that all of a sudden they had decided that he was a 'great thinker' and that he was the right man to lead the revolution forward

Hardly a conspiracy theory is it, when the person who was advising Venkys was Keans agent.

Owen Coyle left his role at Bolton to become St Johnstone manager aswell. Its a very good stepping stone into management for any first team coach

[booth]

Just the one:

That's actually very handy, I was looking for an avatar

[RibbleValleyRover]

Just the one:

Quality!

[tony gale's mic]

For goodness sake, it isn't that much of a stretch. Allardyce clearly thinks there was something afoot before he was relieved of his duties.

As I clearly said, it's all conspiracy theory. But what do you expect when Steve Kean's appointment was one of the strangest appointments in the clubs history, if not football history?

I think there is something believable about Kean having something to do with Sam's sacking.

But I don't think him turning down the Killie role has much to do with it. Had it happened in November, I'd be a lot more suspicious.

[Roversider]

I quite understand what you are saying Booth. It is strange that people cannot see that if Jerome Anderson believed he was going to play a big part in the appointment of a new manager, that he would have mentioned it to Kean that he thought he could talk Venkys into giving him the job.

He was behind Venkys when Allardyce was sacked, and I would argue that he played a huge part in that. The Man utd result was a lovely little coincidence to create an excuse, but I would bet that the sacking of Allardyce was planned way before that result.

People seem to forget that before Allardyce was sacked, Venkys had never even met the players never mind the first team coach. Quite bizarre that all of a sudden they had decided that he was a 'great thinker' and that he was the right man to lead the revolution forward

Hardly a conspiracy theory is it, when the person who was advising Venkys was Keans agent.

Owen Coyle left his role at Bolton to become St Johnstone manager aswell. Its a very good stepping stone into management for any first team coach

Something based on supposition might be defined as a conspiracy theory. You might argue that Sam had tried to leave for Dubai at the start of the season and that he was happy to engineer a decision to get his money and walk.

All guess work and based on as many facts as everyone else. Equally irrelevant in my opinion.

The truth is if the team perform well then some of us will give Kean some credit, others will find any other reason they can make up for him not to have helped. Likewise some people will blame him for everything and feel the world will be a better place if he isn't manager any more.

I don't partricularly like mob law.

[Jimmy612]

Something based on supposition might be defined as a conspiracy theory. You might argue that Sam had tried to leave for Dubai at the start of the season and that he was happy to engineer a decision to get his money and walk.

All guess work and based on as many facts as everyone else. Equally irrelevant in my opinion.

The truth is if the team perform well then some of us will give Kean some credit, others will find any other reason they can make up for him not to have helped. Likewise some people will blame him for everything and feel the world will be a better place if he isn't manager any more.

I don't partricularly like mob law.

If Sam had wanted to leave for a job that would have been far more lucrative then so be it. He was in a position to resign whenever he wanted, as I assume you know, is perfectly acceptable in all jobs. And i'm unsure as to what money he would have recieved had he resigned

However when you have a snivelling little so and so sneaking around recommending a novice for a job that he is in no way prepared for then it is something completely different. How people can say it is ridiculous that JA could have convinced Venkys that Kean was the right man for the job, and that it was in the back of his mind before Allardyce was sacked is quite strange

[John]

Oh and don't forget the following Roversider.

Mrs Desai - "I know that he (John Williams) did not get along with Steve (Kean) and he had struggled to accept Jerome (Anderson)'s role at the club."

[roversmum]

Didn't I read somewhere that Anderson tried to persuade Mrs D to keep Sam (until the summer?).

[Gav]

Didn't I read somewhere that Anderson tried to persuade Mrs D to keep Sam (until the summer?).

Wrong thread maybe, but I recall the same, could be wrong though.

[Jimmy612]

Didn't I read somewhere that Anderson tried to persuade Mrs D to keep Sam (until the summer?).

We've heard a lot Rovermum, I personally don't believe Anderson would have wanted Allardyce anywhere near Ewood, especially after he rejected the list of SEM/Kentaro players

[roversmum]

Well that rejection was only hearsay anyway, people just believe what they want to believe and it isn't necessarily the truth.

[Mattyblue]

Christ knows what's really gone on in recent times.

Make a cracking book...

[Gav]

Well that rejection was only hearsay anyway, people just believe what they want to believe and it isn't necessarily the truth.

On the site these days the ones that protest the loudest have the rule, facts or fiction is irrelevant.

I’d be interested to know how many Deals Allardyce did with Jerome Anderson in his career ,and if the bust up over talking back handers have any role to play in the any bust up between the two.

All never proved by the way

[thenodrog]

I agree with the stability part, however I would argue ANY appointment at ANY time is a risk.

Chris Houghton universally acknowledged as doing an excellent job is sacked in December, replaced by an experienced premier league manager, they are now comfortable in 9th place.

Roberto Di Matteo another acknowledged as doing a good job at West Brom is sacked in February, replaced by an experienced premier league manager, they are now undefeated since and are in 10th position.

The point that I am making is that if an experienced manager arrived at Rovers following Sams sacking then I believe that we would not be in the position that we are in right now (IMO), thus fans wanting Sam gone and replaced with an experienced manager does not make them "thick"

Without checking I'd wager Allardyce has more Premier League games under his belt than the pair of em added together.

btw why does everybody think Martin Jol is a better manager than Allardyce anyway? Is it one of those facts that if you repeat it often enough becomes true?

[thenodrog]

+2

Idiocy is now being worn like a badge of honour I see. Tell me will you still be bragging when your kids / grandchildren are buying Manchester Utd shirts? They will you know.

[imy9]

Jol took Spurs to 5th twice playing attacking football. As I said any appointment at any time is a risk, wouldn't jab sacked Sam myself but if you were going to do it then signing a top class appointment was a must- as said by many posters hundreds of times now?

Theno- can you not simply accept that some people disagree with your opinion and agree to disagree? Things would work much better on here if more people did that IMO.

[John]

Jol spent a huge amount of money at Spurs, spent around £40million in one window I think!

Slightly different no?

[tony gale's mic]

Jol spent a huge amount of money at Spurs, spent around £40million in one window and £70million in another I think!

Slightly different no?

Exactly.

It's nigh on impossible to play attacking attractive football on a budget for any longer than one season.

[thenodrog]

Towards the tail-end of last season, the football under Sam improved, because we were safe and he decided to let the shackles off. And we didn't sacrifice any of our defensive play in the process. Unfortunately, we didn't start the season in the same vein. Back to the 'safety first' percentage football, which although functional was bloomin' torture to watch. Sam's tenure in a nutshell.

Hardly fair is it. You've obviously forgotten or maybe intentionally neglected to consider that Allardyce was working to instructions from above to simply keep the club up first and foremost.

[imy9]

For the 202nd time, if you are not going to spend money then why fire Sam, especially in December, if you are going to spend money then Jol would be an excellent choice.

Net spend of £31 million a year for a top 5 place, worth it? Also look at the players brought in and sold, how much are the following worth?

Lennon

Bale

[thenodrog]

We haven't won a match for three months and been dragged into a relgation battle and you find it more entertaining than being a top half side?

This board has driven me crackers tonight

It's driven me crackers since Hughes left. Most the buffoons on here who hated Allardyce were pleased to see Ince appointed. To err once can be a mistake, to err twice is stupidity.

It's a valid point John, the money we get from selling him when we are in the Championship will come in useful

I seriously doubt the club will ever see it.

[Jimmy612]

On the site these days the ones that protest the loudest have the rule, facts or fiction is irrelevant.

I’d be interested to know how many Deals Allardyce did with Jerome Anderson in his career ,and if the bust up over talking back handers have any role to play in the any bust up between the two.

All never proved by the way

What a silly statement. That BBC show was utter rubbish with a lot of journalists proving absolutely nothing about anyone. Have you turned to this for your argument now Gav? You know you've made yourself look daft with your continued non-support of Allardyce so this is the last resort?

Do you refuse to believe that as Keans agent, there is a good chance that JA would have played a huge role in getting Kean the job, and therefore it could quite easily have been planned as soon as JA got his feet under the desk?

Instead of trying to further tarnish a very good managers tenure at a club, why not consider what could have happened behind the scenes during the inexplicable sacking of SA, which in the end has had a huge effect on the fortunes of OUR club

[thenodrog]

Its interesting that according to Nicko the owners wanted rid of Sam because they didn't want him spending their money in January. Especially when you consider that both Kean and Sam had Roque as their main striking target. I'm not entirely sure how Sam could have spent the remaining 4million any worse considering Formica and Rochina have had zero impact. Granted, JJ is a useful player, but he is no game changer and I think his impact on results is minimal (see results since he has been here). I understand why they don't want Sam as manager and why they don't want him spending their poultry £5million (small amount by premiership standards), but to give the money to someone who has never bought a player or managed a club is ridiculous and we are paying for this naivety. I just can't believe that they could be this stupid. There must be another reason he was sacked or they must have had grander ideas for his replacement.

I'd imagine the opportunity for 'someone' in the loop to siphon some of Venkeys cash off would have been more difficult with Allardyce and Williams in the frame. Hence he was 'removed'.