[Archived] Steve Kean

[John]

For the 202nd time, if you are not going to spend money then why fire Sam, especially in December, if you are going to spend money then Jol would be an excellent choice.

Net spend of £31 million a year for a top 5 place, worth it? Also look at the players brought in and sold, how much are the following worth?

Lennon

Bale

Fact remains he had money to spend,considerably more than us, and having decent assets to sell obviously assists with any net spending.

Not sure how he would fit in with Venky's loan/leasing plans plus being based in London (when he was at Spurs) would have helped attracting players based abroad.

[yeti-dog]

Something based on supposition might be defined as a conspiracy theory. You might argue that Sam had tried to leave for Dubai at the start of the season and that he was happy to engineer a decision to get his money and walk.

All guess work and based on as many facts as everyone else. Equally irrelevant in my opinion.

The truth is if the team perform well then some of us will give Kean some credit, others will find any other reason they can make up for him not to have helped. Likewise some people will blame him for everything and feel the world will be a better place if he isn't manager any more.

I don't partricularly like mob law.

You're far too sensible and reasoned a fellow to be hanging around this messageboard Roversider..

[Roversider]

If Sam had wanted to leave for a job that would have been far more lucrative then so be it. He was in a position to resign whenever he wanted, as I assume you know, is perfectly acceptable in all jobs. And i'm unsure as to what money he would have recieved had he resigned

However when you have a snivelling little so and so sneaking around recommending a novice for a job that he is in no way prepared for then it is something completely different. How people can say it is ridiculous that JA could have convinced Venkys that Kean was the right man for the job, and that it was in the back of his mind before Allardyce was sacked is quite strange

My point is that there is no evidence, merely a made-up story.

If you go forward with an expected outcome all you will do is look for facts that support your theory. I do not say whether you are right or wrong, merely that you are possibly putting 2 and 2 together and making 5, or 7.

What is a fact is that Sam left and agreed something with the owners, that, according to Dave Bassett on Goals on Sunday shortly after (he's on the LMA) gave Sam a very large pay-out. I was unhappy that he went and I don't think it did Kean any favours.

Why he was sacked I guess we will never find out all the details as he and Venky's will have a legal agreement to keep silent on some of the issues.

I just find it difficult when people automatically assume some evil force is at work and that backing Steve Kean to the hilt for the rest of this campaign is disloyal to the Rovers.

[Commondore]

Without checking I'd wager Allardyce has more Premier League games under his belt than the pair of em added together.

btw why does everybody think Martin Jol is a better manager than Allardyce anyway? Is it one of those facts that if you repeat it often enough becomes true?

2 "Coach of the year" titles in Holland

2 Dutch Cup victories

2 Premier League fifth places with Tottenham

1 Fifth place in the Bundesliga with Hamburg

[thenodrog]

Something fishy there... why resign with only 2 games left in the season?

"immediete effect" Hmmm was he taking the strip home to err...wash or had a knot been pushed out of the changing room door? Rem there are only two things that smell 'fishy' trueblue...

[Jimmy612]

My point is that there is no evidence, merely a made-up story.

If you go forward with an expected outcome all you will do is look for facts that support your theory. I do not say whether you are right or wrong, merely that you are possibly putting 2 and 2 together and making 5, or 7.

What is a fact is that Sam left and agreed something with the owners, that, according to Dave Bassett on Goals on Sunday shortly after (he's on the LMA) gave Sam a very large pay-out. I was unhappy that he went and I don't think it did Kean any favours.

Why he was sacked I guess we will never find out all the details as he and Venky's will have a legal agreement to keep silent on some of the issues.

I just find it difficult when people automatically assume some evil force is at work and that backing Steve Kean to the hilt for the rest of this campaign is disloyal to the Rovers.

I agree with what you say, we will never know what happened, and perhaps as you say, a number of us on here are putting 2 and 2 together and making 5. Mind you, you have to suggest something strange has happened when a man with no experience of management is thrown into a job in the top flight.

[yeti-dog]

You can look at it two different ways, and one of them isn't pleasant.

I just cannot understand why a coach, not even assistant manager, would turn down an opportunity to step up like that with nothing bigger on the horizon. I could perhaps understand it if we were Chelsea or Man Utd, but we aren't.

As Kelbo has said, Anderson will have been involved at that point who is Kean's agent. Add to that, Venky's will have been on the radar a long time before they actually took over. Allardyce certainly thinks that things were a little underhand when he spoke as a pundit on ESPN for the Arsenal game. If you place yourself in Allardyce's shoes you can begin to see why.

Something stinks about it, but it's all conspiracy theories at the moment I agree. It could be a strange coincidence that he just happened to turn down a big opportunity before we were taken over by new owners, who had been eased into the purchase by his agent.

You know what Booth,as you clearly seem to get off on conspiracy theories so much here's one for you...if my Auntie had bo**ox do you think she'd be my uncle?

I agree with what you say, we will never know what happened, and perhaps as you say, a number of us on here are putting 2 and 2 together and making 5. Mind you, you have to suggest something strange has happened when a man with no experience of management is thrown into a job in the top flight.

You mean like Alan Shearer,Gareth Southgate and many others???

[John]

My point is that there is no evidence, merely a made-up story.

If you go forward with an expected outcome all you will do is look for facts that support your theory. I do not say whether you are right or wrong, merely that you are possibly putting 2 and 2 together and making 5, or 7.

What is a fact is that Sam left and agreed something with the owners, that, according to Dave Bassett on Goals on Sunday shortly after (he's on the LMA) gave Sam a very large pay-out. I was unhappy that he went and I don't think it did Kean any favours.

Why he was sacked I guess we will never find out all the details as he and Venky's will have a legal agreement to keep silent on some of the issues.

I just find it difficult when people automatically assume some evil force is at work and that backing Steve Kean to the hilt for the rest of this campaign is disloyal to the Rovers.

Why do you think Macdonald was sacked as well and Kean was put in temporary charge - I don't believe Macdonald is a SEM client

There were rumours before Venky's took over the club that they (or SEM/Kentaro) did not fancy Sam - remember Venky's know NOTHING about football therefore will be relying on their trusted advisers for guidance. After all, Jerome is one of the family. Steve Kean has never managed in his entire life before, what makes you think he got the job?

Pure coincidence I am sure...

Jerome Anderson on Talksport in January said Steve Kean is a very good manager - did he make that judgement by the fact Kean is his client or did Venky's let Jerome know that they think Stevie is a top manager after only a few days in the job?

[JAL]

The Rao family should ask Kean and Jensen to leave or sack their current agents and join a rival agency.

Now that would put the cat amongst the pidgeons and test the loyalty of both these men.

[rebelmswar]

You mean like Alan Shearer,Gareth Southgate and many others???

I know right?

His massive international experiance and his captainship of those world beaters Bath are almost identical in terms of leadership experiance.

[Kelbo]

Why do you think Macdonald was sacked as well and Kean was put in temporary charge - I don't believe Macdonald is a SEM client

There were rumours before Venky's took over the club that they (or SEM/Kentaro) did not fancy Sam - remember Venky's know NOTHING about football therefore will be relying on their trusted advisers for guidance. After all, Jerome is one of the family. Steve Kean has never managed in his entire life before, what makes you think he got the job?

Pure coincidence I am sure...

Jerome Anderson on Talksport in January said Steve Kean is a very good manager - did he make that judgement by the fact Kean is his client or did Venky's let Jerome know that they think Stevie is a top manager after only a few days in the job?

Yeah, Keans a top manager and Jerome Anderson is an expertt on football!!! Moon, Green Cheese etc!!

Anderson is a very clever man, proper Cockney Spiv, I am your friend trust me, I will help you!!

[Jimmy612]

You mean like Alan Shearer,Gareth Southgate and many others???

Yeh they were good managers weren't they, (Please don't use that word again) me Yeti-dog, I couldnt have thought of two better examples myself! Both were relegated with their two respective teams.

[yeti-dog]

Yeh they were good managers weren't they, (Please don't use that word again) me Yeti-dog, I couldnt have thought of two better examples myself! Both were relegated with their two respective teams.

I was making no comment however on their success or lack of,rather pointing out that it's not as strange a thing as you were implying.

[braddock]

I must be the only person who likes Kean and think he might be able to cut it at this level.

[thenodrog]

Didn't I read somewhere that Anderson tried to persuade Mrs D to keep Sam (until the summer?).

1. Allegedly.

2. Why the hell was it anything to do with him anyway?

[Jimmy612]

I was making no comment however on their success or lack of,rather pointing out that it's not as strange a thing as you were implying.

Well in that case I don't really think Shearer should be put into that category. He was a legend at the club, and was a favourite of the fans to get the job.

Southgate was a player of the club and new Steve Gibson very well.

Both are difficult to share as a comparison because of the fact that both parties who made the decision of appointment knew about the football club, and the people whom they were appointing.

In this instance Venkys knew nothing of the football club or of Steve Kean

[yeti-dog]

I must be the only person who likes Kean and think he might be able to cut it at this level.

I'm not sure I could honestly say I 'like' him,but if he keeps us up I feel he'd deserve a full pre-season to bed 'his' team in and try to show us he deserves to stay as manager.

Having said that,although I was never a big Sam basher, I don't really care that he's gone..the re-writing of history by some on here depicting him as some kind of messiah is risible...

[Jimmy612]

I must be the only person who likes Kean and think he might be able to cut it at this level.

Its hard to think why you are alone in your interesting thoughts Braddock

[tony gale's mic]

I must be the only person who likes Kean and think he might be able to cut it at this level.

We last won in January.

It's now mid April.

I only added that last line because I'm really worried about your grip on reality.

[yeti-dog]

Well in that case I don't really think Shearer should be put into that category. He was a legend at the club, and was a favourite of the fans to get the job.

Southgate was a player of the club and new Steve Gibson very well.

Both are difficult to share as a comparison because of the fact that both parties who made the decision of appointment knew about the football club, and the people whom they were appointing.

In this instance Venkys knew nothing of the football club or of Steve Kean

I understand why you might say they don't count,however it's unarguable that neither had any management experience whatsoever...

[Jimmy612]

I understand why you might say they don't count,however it's unarguable that neither had any management experience whatsoever...

Agreed on that certainly

[yeti-dog]

We last won in January.

It's now mid April.

I only added that last line because I'm really worried about your grip on reality.

McCarthyism creeping out again tgm...

...because you don't agree with me you'e loopy..Braddock is entitled to his opinion without being ridiculed.

[tony gale's mic]

I'm not sure I could honestly say I 'like' him,but if he keeps us up I feel he'd deserve a full pre-season to bed 'his' team in and try to show us he deserves to stay as manager.

Having said that,although I was never a big Sam basher, I don't really care that he's gone..the re-writing of history by some on here depicting him as some kind of messiah is risible...

So if we scrape a win and draw two or three others, he'd deserve a full pre season despite only winning one game since January?

There's no rewriting of history. Plenty of us were singing his praises while he was here and have exactly the same position after he left. He saved us from relegation in his first season, so calling him "some kind of messiah" is hardly inaccurate is it? Not only that, but he got us to 10th in his next season where we finished TWENTY points off relegation, and if this season had carried on along the same trajectory, wouldve had us 9th right now.

No history rewrite, he saved us from relegation and then built on it well.

[rebelmswar]

I must be the only person who likes Kean and think he might be able to cut it at this level.

I don't know the individual to say if I like him or not.

I can say I hate the direction he is taking achieved and I loath the results he has "achieved"

[braddock]

Its hard to think why you are alone in your interesting thoughts Braddock

I don't think he's done much wrong on the whole, we are playing better football under him, he's had an injury crisis and no support from the fans. With some fairer decisions from the refs and some of the Allardyce luck from earlier in the season I think people would like him more. I like the way he talks about football too, from when I've heard him. At times he has been overly positive in his interviews, but he has to. Confidence is huge right now. But he knows football, anyone who listens to him can see that.

It's hardly been the perfect start but the amount of hate levelled towards him is unwarranted in my eyes. He's got a long way to go to prove himself, but people should give him the chance to do it rather than revelling in everything that goes wrong.