[Archived] Steve Kean

[Sandman]

This is what happens when you have bluffers and bullshitters in charge of a football club, anyone with an ounce of sense would have waited till the summer before thinking about changing the manager, that was mistake was bad enough, but to put a novice in charge is just asking for trouble and it's looking more and more ridiculous by the week.

[brian_gallagher85]

Before I start I want to make it clear that I've wanted him out before the Blackpool game during the two week break so that a new man could get his message across and I have voted accordingly, but there is one little thing that is annoying me about the situation that we find ourselves in.

The following was posted in the Rochina thread and underlines a fact that has been niggling me for a while;

Kean is basically playing that team. For all the criticism he gets I cannot believe that many people genuinely question his selections. Allardyce's picks were far more frustrating. RSC over Kalinic is the only call which you could contest. Kean is getting the best out of Hoilett and has found J.Jones/Rochina who both look to have improved the side. Kean has many faults but I personally wouldnt question the team he starts with.

Kean is clearly out of his depth, but apart from continually picking RSC his team selections can't really be faulted, which leads me onto my point. Apart from some of the younger players like Rochina, Hoillet, Olsson and Kalinic the vast majority of our starting XI have enough experience and should be old enough to pull us out of our current run. Salgado at least appears to care greatly about the club from the reactions he is showing on the field to some of the current performances by most of the senior players of late.

Kean has shown he isn't up to the job, but once the players cross the white line there is very little he can actually do to influence the game and in my opinion the senior pros within our squad need to give the team more on a match day! I'm starting to believe that the majority of them are already planning their next move away from the club we all love.

[booth]

To the F.A they probably are!

A big club is defined as someone who fills their stadium. All we had to was build Ewood Park with a capacity of 22,000 - we would have been a "big club"

25,000 maybe, I think you are really underestimating our support with that 22,000 figure.

Kean has shown he isn't up to the job, but once the players cross the white line there is very little he can actually do to influence the game and in my opinion the senior pros within our squad need to give the team more on a match day! I'm starting to believe that the majority of them are already planning their next move away from the club we all love.

If bloody only. There's been several times where he's made stupid substitutions only for us to actually be worse off than we were before.

The guy has no clue.

[vintageadidas]

25,000 maybe, I think you are really underestimating our support with that 22,000 figure.

Yes maybe i did to be honest.

In the next 20 years even 22,000 will be too much unless there is a large shift in support from the asian population of our local towns.

I have only come across 3 or 4 blackburn fans from the large proportion at my school.

Anyways, back to Kean. Who could realistically replace him?

[Fife Rover]

Bullshit, and I have been watching Rovers for over 50 years, this manager and owners are a pathetic excuse for the human race, the worst I have experienced in 50 years of watching Rovers, not by a yard but by a country mile!

I agree with you Kelbo that the present so called management team of Kean and Jensen is the worst that I have seen at this club in all my time as a fan dating back to 1946. However I voted to keep them (but ONLY until the final whistle in the final game this season) on the grounds that the massive disruption to the playing side of things would be virtually certain to result in relegation if it is implemented any time before the season end. I also feel that in keeping the status quo until the end of the season will give us just a very small chance of avoiding relegation, and this because (and ONLY because) of the efforts of the players if they are allowed to get on with it without the massive upheaval that sacking and changing management would bring. As soon as the season is over and whatever the relegation situation is I want to see Messrs Kean and Jensen on their bikes........but not before. It is past the point for doing that now. The risk would be too great. In fact it would not be a question of risk to do it now......rather one of certainty.

[thenodrog]

As long as the protest isn't a anti Venky's one

It's all gone tits up on Venkeys watch RVR. Kean didn't appoint himself as manager. The buck stops in Pune and thats that.

[booth]

I have only come across 3 or 4 blackburn fans from the large proportion at my school.

When I were at school there were about the same amount of us and that was in the late 80's/early 90's. All the rest were Liverpool "fans". When I were at college (92/93) Rovers had just been promoted. There were still just a handful of Rovers fans, three if I remember correctly. Again the rest were made up of Man Utd and Liverpool "fans" (notably none attended the games, and few wore the kit or had a scarf).

I wouldn't say the schoolyard is any way to have a Rovers fan head count. Between your school and my school it seems there were about the same amount of Rovers fans, even though there's about 20 years between our schooling.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I agree with you Kelbo that the present so called management team of Kean and Jensen is the worst that I have seen at this club in all my time as a fan dating back to 1946. However I voted to keep them (but ONLY until the final whistle in the final game this season) on the grounds that the massive disruption to the playing side of things would be virtually certain to result in relegation if it is implemented any time before the season end. I also feel that in keeping the status quo until the end of the season will give us just a very small chance of avoiding relegation, and this because (and ONLY because) of the efforts of the players if they are allowed to get on with it without the massive upheaval that sacking and changing management would bring. As soon as the season is over and whatever the relegation situation is I want to see Messrs Kean and Jensen on their bikes........but not before. It is past the point for doing that now. The risk would be too great. In fact it would not be a question of risk to do it now......rather one of certainty.

Really Fife?

I really don't get this argument at all about sticking with him as it would be 'too disruptive' or it would 'harm our chances of survival'. I see certain relegation under Kean but a small chance of survival if we make a change.

Rovers might still end up going down with a new manager but at least everything possible would have been done in order to try and turn it around.

[Mattyblue]

When I were at school there were about the same amount of us and that was in the late 80's/early 90's. All the rest were Liverpool "fans". When I were at college (92/93) Rovers had just been promoted. There were still just a handful of Rovers fans, three if I remember correctly. Again the rest were made up of Man Utd and Liverpool "fans" (notably none attended the games, and few wore the kit or had a scarf).

I wouldn't say the schoolyard is any way to have a Rovers fan head count. Between your school and my school it seems there were about the same amount of Rovers fans, even though there's about 20 years between our schooling.

The Rovers fanbase has stretched out further and further, my mole at Ewood tells us that we have more and more fans with a PR postcode every season. Unfortunately, Blackburn itself will get less and less Blue.

[thenodrog]

Voted to keep, but only because we've past the point of no return.

No manager would move to us with the position we are in now. Kean is here til May at least. Just hope we can wriggle out of trouble!

I voted to keep also, then I slept on it and wished I hadn't.

It goes against everything I believe in to sack the manager at this stage, but the mans a fool, has no idea and should be sacked immediately.

You two are absolutely addled. We've 5 matches left. Ince's 5 last games 0 points. Allardyces first 5 games 9 points. How much would we give for such a galvanising effect and a 9 point haul now?

Check it out...

http://stats.football.co.uk/2008/blackburn.html

btw Gav I take it by your reticence to answer my previous questions that you don't attend Ewood regularly and that you don't have a ST. So why are you so bothered about the Rovers and their managers / owners at all?

[Amo]

I voted 'Don't care'.

I'm completely disillusioned by what's happening at the club, and the state of football in general, that I despair.

If I really thought it would make a difference, I'd vote 'Sack'. I give every Rovers manager a shot, regardless of their background, but we're simply dropping too many points under Kean and at least replacing him would be a proactive decision.

[thenodrog]

I think its a very dangerous game to say the manner in which he got the job, was nothing but above board.

Nobody, except a couple of southern journalists seem to know this to be true, the very same journalists that said Kean had been summoned to a London hotel after the Arsenal game to be sacked, which was total and utter rubbish.

I don’t like the guy as a manager, but I really don’t think he did anything underhand, the owners didn’t have a plan B when sacking Allardyce, and he was in the right place at the right time, simple as that for me.

Naive?

In the extreme..... if as we are told Kean flew off to Pune without first consulting with the club Chairman.

[AggyBlue]

btw Gav I take it by your reticence to answer my previous questions that you don't attend Ewood regularly and that you don't have a ST. So why are you so bothered about the Rovers and their managers / owners at all?

Most of the posters backing Venkys and Kean are in the same boat, strange innit.

We could do with a section for season ticket holders only on this board.

[GiddyGoat]

Kean is as much of a victim as anyone else in this fiasco, he is clearly out of his depth. The real problem here is the process and personal that decided to give him the job.

Sack him/don't sack him, it's a gamble either way.

I wonder how far Kean will fall. I can't see anyone else employing him as a manager.

He seemed to be well regarded as a coach but would he want to go back and would this episode have tarnished his reputation in that respect?

[Kamy100]

Regardless of any protests, action by supporters or results, Venky's PR are saying that there is no chance that Kean is going to be sacked before the end of the season, there is a possibility that they will look at things during the summer.

[roverandout]

its shouldnt be a possibilty, it should be set in stone, theres no need 'to look at things in the summer' the decision should already be made.

[Mattyblue]

Bit off topic but have a butcher's at Vinjay's twitter, he has completely lost his marbles.

VENKY's WORSE THAN WALKER's... DOES NOT COMPUTE

[tony gale's mic]

Bit off topic but have a butcher's at Vinjay's twitter, he has completely lost his marbles.

VENKY's WORSE THAN WALKER's... DOES NOT COMPUTE

link?

[Kelbo]

quote name='GiddyGoat' timestamp='1303161284' post='1051595']

Kean is as much of a victim as anyone else in this fiasco, he is clearly out of his depth. The real problem here is the process and personal that decided to give him the job.

Sack him/don't sack him, it's a gamble either way.

I wonder how far Kean will fall. I can't see anyone else employing him as a manager.

He seemed to be well regarded as a coach but would he want to go back and would this episode have tarnished his reputation in that respect?

It certainly has and there are lots of managers clubs and coaches now who I know wouldnt touch him with a bargepole!!

[Mattyblue]

www.twitter.com/vinjaybrfc

[Tom]

link?

http://twitter.com/#!/vinjaybrfc

That's his twitter, reading this may make you suddenly 'parochial'. TM - Vinjay

[rubecula]

I see a number of newspapers have called Kean a few things today. I even read one that said he was dellusional. I think I am beginning to undersstand how you folks are feeling, especially if the press are also beginning to understand too. I admit that I found some of his comments after the game at the weekend somewhat strange.

[Jimmy612]

Until I see evidence to the contrary that’s what I believe

I'm guessing your not religious then

[Jimmy612]

When the number 1 is sacked the number 2 usually leaves also, happens throughout the leagues more often than not, Kean was next in line, he shouldn't have been, but thats where the club found itself.

Hardly evidence Matty.

The bottom line here is, people want to believe Kean is the bad guy, it supports arguments, but in reality if the above is all you have, then to say thats won't stand up in court is an understatement!

Lets have facts not fiction

So you believe the owners sacked Sam and then began their search for a manager, were unable to tempt any of their targets into a job in the PL under a club with new owners with supposed 'billions' of pounds, and so had to settle with Steve Kean.. a man with no experience? someone they had never met? An absolute unknown in the football world?

[modes98]

Venky's have told BRFCS that it is inconceivable that Kean would be sacked at this stage of the season

Not sacking him leads to relegation which should be the only inconceivable thing given our position and stability when they took over.

Sack him after the Man Citeh game and it gives us a 1 game boost vs Bolton which could save us. Keep him and you may as well forget it now. The performance vs Everton was little more than players standing round earning money, pay me £100k a year and I'll give you the same.