[Archived] Steve Kean

[Jimmy612]

Same as Allardyce then.

Different owners, Sam got the job by merit. But yes, same as Sam. Would you now like to compare both managers results? I know you were only willing to give one of them a chance.

Would you take Sam back as manager now Gav, and if so, for how long?

[A cup of beans]

McDonald did not leave like many assistants do, he was sacked. Allardyce came out and said how surprised he was that they didn't keep McDonald and appoint him as his temporary replacement.

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sam was sore at losing his job, and using mcdonald to ram home his point. understandable but thats the reason. as i said before he probably would have ranted about mcdonald stabbing him in the back if he'd been the replacement.

[Gav]

Different owners, Sam got the job by merit. But yes, same as Sam. Would you now like to compare both managers results? I know you were only willing to give one of them a chance.

Would you take Sam back as manager now Gav, and if so, for how long?

We're not taking this to another Allardyce v Kean thread Jimmy.

You stated last night that Kean was well paid and if sacked would get a massive pay-out, so he’s not a victim. Same rule applies to Allardcyce, so by your logic he's not a victim either.

[JMillZz]

sam was sore at losing his job, and using mcdonald to ram home his point. understandable but thats the reason. as i said before he probably would have ranted about mcdonald stabbing him in the back if he'd been the replacement.

McDonald was definitely sacked though from what was said.

[ABBEY]

RONALD

McDonald was definitely sacked though from EWOOD MCDONALDS what was said.

GET HIM INSTEAD OF KEAN.

[Mercer]

Regardless of any protests, action by supporters or results, Venky's PR are saying that there is no chance that Kean is going to be sacked before the end of the season, there is a possibility that they will look at things during the summer.

Utter and total despair.

The patient is dying and on the critical list, any delay in treating the patient will result in death.

BRFC RIP.

[A cup of beans]

What a pathetic and arrogant post. touched a nerve with my questions???

1/what difference does it make how long a person has been a support of Rovers? None, all supporters have a right to an opinion.

makes a difference IMO cos people who have only known rovers as a prem club or top of the championship, are bound to have a different perspective than some who have seen rovers in darker times, ie rovers relegated in 1999 after huge investment- i repeat 28 million pounds! or even going back further infront of 6000 fans in the 2nd division- some posters will remeber 3rd div days.

2/ does it matter if a person goes to games or not? supporters could live abroad or far away. It does not make them less of a supporter. To even remotely suggest different is really childish.

again its down to perspective. people who hardly go to the games and only watch rovers on tv or internet streams are bound to have different opinions. being at the games lets you gague many things that are going on on the pitch and in the stand amd lets you make up your own opinions, because youve seen it with your own eyes - rather than what the camera shows or what pundits tell you!

rovers fans, live me who travelled up and down the country watching big sam throw games away... ie dont even try and win.. all last season... and hammerings at stoke, (although 1nil rovers didnt have a single goal attempt! spurs, boton in his last game and the 7-0 at old trafford.

will have a different opinion on big sams reign. he showed contempt for our away support and our players by the way we set up.

by the way. i also support milan, have done since i was little due to family connections... i still go there and watch them regularly

btw Gav I take it by your reticence to answer my previous questions that you don't attend Ewood regularly and that you don't have a ST. So why are you so bothered about the Rovers and their managers / owners at all?

check your facts, theno

McDonald was definitely sacked though from what was said.

yeah he was sacked. thats obvious.

[m1st]

Has any Rovers manager been HATED this much by fans?

In a mood of masochism and worry about our club, quite at variance with the weather, I've visited this thread for the first time in some considerable time - my last un-read post was on page 32! I've started from posts after Saturday's game at Goodison, so I may be back [yes; and next time I'll be angry!] with some other comments.

But, in response to this question can I offer the name of Jim Iley?

A good man, I'm sure; but he showed that managing a team in a higher division than the one Barnsley [his former club] had been in, didn't guarantee success at for whatever reason, completely unable to manage the Rovers team of 1979.

As Mike Jackman says in 'Blackburn Rovers: A complete record, 1875 - 1990', "... his Ewood reign seemed to stumble from one crisis to another. ... The final blow to Iley's standing with the fans came when Dave Gregory [who'd got 3 goals in a 5-game spell on loan from Stoke] rejected a permanent move to the Rovers and joined Bury in the Third Division. ... The flames of discontent were further fanned by the local Press, both in the letters columns and back page comments."

In those days, there used to be a stall on the market which would make badges for you; one of my friends suggested a campaign with the acronym GROIN [standing for "Get Rid Of Iley Now"!]. After a particularly bad defeat one Saturday, I had a badge made with that message. I don't claim that the badge was what led to the Board of the day sacking him, but that happened pretty quickly after I'd started wearing it!

The coda to Iley's sacking was his replacement by John Pickering, the reserve team manager. The season, of course, ended in relegation.

[A cup of beans]

On three occasions you have now asked me to answer your silly little questions. Ok I will,

thanks for answering them... finally!

again the relevance of them is perspective and an alternative to kean, and those who want venkys out and wanted to protest.

general questions. not just for you

But, in response to this question can I offer the name of Jim Iley?

A good man, I'm sure; but he showed that managing a team in a higher division than the one Barnsley [his former club] had been in, didn't guarantee success at for whatever reason, completely unable to manage the Rovers team of 1979.

fine post.

[Ferrit]

That Vinjay guy is probably the most deluded fan i've ever come across.

[thenodrog]

check your facts, theno

I've tried and asked numerous times with no response. I'm coming to the conclusion that he'd done a waggy and taken his bat and ball home.

That Vinjay guy is probably the most deluded fan i've ever come across.

Considering some of the goons on here that is quite some achievement Ferrit. I don't know how some can sleep at night for shame.

[m1st]

Will they asset strip and/or attempt to sell? Whatever way it's not looking good. And if we stay up?

Wait till you see my preview of the Wolves game, Mum. There's an awful precedent there!

[A cup of beans]

Considering some of the goons on here that is quite some achievement Ferrit. I don't know how some can sleep at night for shame.

[m1st]

And here's a great example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/18/everton-blackburn-rovers-premier-league?

Open derision.

In my trawl through this thread, nobody else seems to have referred to this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8457716/Blackburn-Rovers-slump-gives-Steve-Keans-spin-a-hollow-ring-following-defeat-to-Everton-at-Goodison-Park.html , which seems to show how highly the media rate him.

[Jimmy612]

We're not taking this to another Allardyce v Kean thread Jimmy.

You stated last night that Kean was well paid and if sacked would get a massive pay-out, so he’s not a victim. Same rule applies to Allardcyce, so by your logic he's not a victim either.

Well that very much depends on opinion as to who is a victim and who isn't.

One is a proven manager, who has been at the top level for over 10 years. He went on to do a very good job, and was sacked quite unjustly by owners who have no idea about football and refuse to take advice from people who are knowledgeable in the field.

The other is a first team coach who landed on his feet in a job he should have got absolutely nowhere near. Following this the team that he has managed, has plummeted to the tune of our worst run in nigh on 25years.

Which one do you think will feel a little more victimised?

[A cup of beans]

I've tried and asked numerous times with no response. I'm coming to the conclusion that he'd done a waggy and taken his bat and ball home.

maybe he has put you on 'ignore'.. just a thought!

[chris]

amazing:

Co-owners Anuradha Desai, Venkatesh Rao and Balaji Rao were once again unavailable for comment yesterday but a source close to them told the Lancashire Telegraph Kean would remain in charge, despite being fully aware of the growing unrest around Ewood.

[BangkokRover]

In my trawl through this thread, nobody else seems to have referred to this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8457716/Blackburn-Rovers-slump-gives-Steve-Keans-spin-a-hollow-ring-following-defeat-to-Everton-at-Goodison-Park.html , which seems to show how highly the media rate him.

Interesting read that daily telegraph article along with the guardian would suggest that with each loss the criticism will get worse.

[m1st]

Kean is as much of a victim as anyone else in this fiasco, he is clearly out of his depth. The real problem here is the process and personal that decided to give him the job.

Sack him/don't sack him, it's a gamble either way.

I wonder how far Kean will fall. I can't see anyone else employing him as a manager.

He seemed to be well regarded as a coach but would he want to go back and would this episode have tarnished his reputation in that respect?

Very true, GG.

Perhaps this episode will make him realise that, in the same way Brian Kidd's resurrected his career, he can have a future [somewhere else, please!] in the game. Just not as a manager.

I've not voted yet; but I'm leaning towards voting to keep him but on the same grounds as Fife Rover:

I agree with you Kelbo that the present so called management team of Kean and Jensen is the worst that I have seen at this club in all my time as a fan dating back to 1946. However I voted to keep them (but ONLY until the final whistle in the final game this season) on the grounds that the massive disruption to the playing side of things would be virtually certain to result in relegation if it is implemented any time before the season end. I also feel that in keeping the status quo until the end of the season will give us just a very small chance of avoiding relegation, and this because (and ONLY because) of the efforts of the players if they are allowed to get on with it without the massive upheaval that sacking and changing management would bring. As soon as the season is over and whatever the relegation situation is I want to see Messrs Kean and Jensen on their bikes........but not before. It is past the point for doing that now. The risk would be too great. In fact it would not be a question of risk to do it now......rather one of certainty.

[Stuart]

amazing:

Co-owners Anuradha Desai, Venkatesh Rao and Balaji Rao were once again unavailable for comment yesterday but a source close to them told the Lancashire Telegraph Kean would remain in charge, despite being fully aware of the growing unrest around Ewood.

They must have family in Brunshaw. It can be the only reason for all this.

[Gav]

Well that very much depends on opinion as to who is a victim and who isn't.

One is a proven manager, who has been at the top level for over 10 years. He went on to do a very good job, and was sacked quite unjustly by owners who have no idea about football and refuse to take advice from people who are knowledgeable in the field.

The other is a first team coach who landed on his feet in a job he should have got absolutely nowhere near. Following this the team that he has managed, has plummeted to the tune of our worst run in nigh on 25years.

Which one do you think will feel a little more victimised?

All points I take on board, but thats not what you said last night, you've now elaborated, and moved the point from being a financial one to a sensible one.

[Jimmy612]

All points I take on board, but thats not what you said last night, you've now elaborated, and moved the point from being a financial one to a sensible one.

Ah apologies for the misunderstanding. I don't think either of them have been victimised financially. Especially not Kean when he has taken on a well paid job that he didn't deserve. At least SA deserved to be paid a managers wages.

In what way did you think Steve Kean has been the victim? I'l probably still tell you he is no victim to this whole thing whatsoever. He could quite easily have turned the job, and new contract down if he had wanted.

This whole thing is a mess Gav and you refuse to admit that we had a good manager previous to Kean.

You were delighted Allardyce had gone.

You were delighted about the timing of the whole thing.

You were delighted to give Kean a chance until quite recently.

Perhaps time to admit your judgement has been a little wide of the mark for some time.

[PAFELL]

again its down to perspective. people who hardly go to the games and only watch rovers on tv or internet streams are bound to have different opinions. being at the games lets you gague many things that are going on on the pitch and in the stand amd lets you make up your own opinions, because youve seen it with your own eyes - rather than what the camera shows or what pundits tell you!

rovers fans, live me who travelled up and down the country watching big sam throw games away... ie dont even try and win.. all last season... and hammerings at stoke, (although 1nil rovers didnt have a single goal attempt! spurs, boton in his last game and the 7-0 at old trafford.

will have a different opinion on big sams reign. he showed contempt for our away support and our players by the way we set up.

by the way. i also support milan, have done since i was little due to family connections... i still go there and watch them regularly

check your facts, theno

yeah he was sacked. thats obvious.

I remember the pre - Jack walker time. I am fifty this year and have been a Rovers supporter for as long as I can remember. I also have travelled to see Rovers on many occasions. Because of location now, I am now limited to where and when I go. My next match this season will be WHU.

Every supporter has an opinion and a right to voice it.

But

[A cup of beans]

I remember the pre - Jack walker time. I am fifty this year and have been a Rovers supporter for as long as I can remember. I also have travelled to see Rovers on many occasions. Because of location now, I am now limited to where and when I go. My next match this season will be WHU.

Every supporter has an opinion and a right to voice it.

But

agreed and you have the perspective.

[Gamst]

Regardless of any protests, action by supporters or results, Venky's PR are saying that there is no chance that Kean is going to be sacked before the end of the season, there is a possibility that they will look at things during the summer.

Well thats an improvement on 'unsackable'!