[Archived] Steve Kean

[Hasta]

Winning or not, you don't back your own club to be relegated. What a prick.

To be fair I have backed us to be relegated before (generally when we have been 12/1 or 16/1 despite the fact we are in a mini-crisis).

I have also backed us to lose games when I feel we are being under priced. The reason being is that if you are truly objective, generally we have a better feeling on form / confidence etc... down at Ewood than an odds compile does. It has proved quite profitable at times.

However I have always wanted the bet to be down and I've never felt the need to come on here gloating and being a tit about it like you know who.

[True Blue & White]

Hasta, there are sensible gamblers and emotional ones you are the former and will likely be richer because of it.

I once spoke to a professional gambler who supported Ipswich and he bet agaisnt them plenty of times, he said once you let emotion rule your head and your bets that's when you lose money.

[Gambit217]

I have to apologise, I myself was drawn into it believing it may be true not noticing where the rumour started. I even asked on Twitter if anyone had info.

Just shows how stories even made up ones can pick up steam in no time now

I too got caught up in the story, just because I wanted to believe that if it was true, it might have gone some way towards Kean finally losing his role as manager. Obviously, it was a long shot but let's just forget about it and move on. The players do indeed seem to be behind the manager at the moment, which is something I suppose.

[CAPT KAYOS]

Whether or not Kean should have been appointed is irrelevant, he’s here now and should be backed CAPT.

In my opinion he’s not as bad as Ince, and we all know plenty on here backed Ince far more than I’m backing kean!

Gav - I think only time will tell with regard to Kean

Backing the team is the only paramount now imo - Kean is just a none entity until the end of the Season and there should be no reference/reaction to him at games from the fans (although there will be should our current form continue).

I know you mean well in and suppose in the full scheme of things 'the backing of Kean' has to be included, but people are not going to be blinded to the ridiculous situation we have been put in nor the ridiculous instalment of our pretend manager as that exactly what he is not, nor is he showing any signs of being able to.

As you full well know I was on your side of the fence re Allardyce for the same reasons you apply but was prepared to see the situation for what it was and accept Allardyce was doing what he had to do - but its quite glaringly obvious of the clubs issues on and off the pitch at the moment that are not being helped by those who should know and should being doing better.

Can we really continue in the current downward spiral - do we have the time/games?

I'm not totally convinced it would be our death knoll if we do get relegated, but the situation at the moment is not appetising and has a lot to do with our own mistakes, something that we somehow don't appear to be able to rectify.

[Mercer]

I would not be surprised if the story does turn out to have some validity in it. You would expect, in current circumstances, Rovers to batten down the hatches and to try and keep the lid on it.

BPF posted yesterday that we could expect Rovers to issue a denial - why on earth would they do that if there is nothing to deny!

Lets face it, there has been loads of speculation about Kean's relationship , and Jensen's since appointed, with the players and the degree of respect that exists, or doesn't, ever since Sam was sacked.

As much as I dislike and disagree with Kean's appointment, we need no distractions ahead of next week's game with Blackpool - everyone knows its importance. However, my fear is that, if there is anything in this story at all, something will break in Sunday's press or the following week which would be a disaster for Rovers.

[onlyonejackwalker]

I would not be surprised if the story does turn out to have some validity in it. You would expect, in current circumstances, Rovers to batten down the hatches and to try and keep the lid on it.

BPF posted yesterday that we could expect Rovers to issue a denial - why on earth would they do that if there is nothing to deny!

Lets face it, there has been loads of speculation about Kean's relationship , and Jensen's since appointed, with the players and the degree of respect that exists, or doesn't, ever since Sam was sacked.

As much as I dislike and disagree with Kean's appointment, we need no distractions ahead of next week's game with Blackpool - everyone knows its importance. However, my fear is that, if there is anything in this story at all, something will break in Sunday's press or the following week which would be a disaster for Rovers.

If knowledgeable and informed supporters on here are confused you can take it for granted that the players will also be confused. With his appointment, selections, formations, substitutions, instructions, the whole 9 yards.

Even if they did not get on with SA, why should they respect Kean? He has absolutely no history. Recognising they will have little respect for him, then it stands to reason there will be flashpoints as things crash and burn around him. He irritates me, so heaven knows what it is like to work with and for him. (I wish he had cleared off up north and EHD had stayed).

But whether anything has happened or not, I really don't care. This is adult pro-sport and it goes on all the time. In some ways I hope it did happen, as it demonstrates feeling and passion and would also clear the air and may unite one and all again. Something needs to happen, or nothing will change.

[riverside returns]

Lets all just get behind the team and shout them into a win against the donkey lashers. Just stop the vitriolic abuse against Kean and more so, Andrews. They are part of our club whether we like it or not so deal with it and lets support our team to safety!

[Ste B]

I would not be surprised if the story does turn out to have some validity in it. You would expect, in current circumstances, Rovers to batten down the hatches and to try and keep the lid on it.

BPF posted yesterday that we could expect Rovers to issue a denial - why on earth would they do that if there is nothing to deny!

There is NO VALIDITY in it, this was made as a wind up. Even discussing it further just continues it.

[BPF]

Sorry for another vague post. I should have said that if it continued to escalate then the club would deny it because there was absolutely no truth to it whatsoever. I think I know the origin of , I was a little confused at first because two separate sources told me about it one hour apart.

Big_BRFC_Fan - You are clearly not a fan of this football club. I put money on Kean being fired because it would have benefited the club. How you could take any pleasure out of us being relegated is beyond me. May I remind you the serious trouble we will be in if that happens.

I can imagine ****** like you in hospitals:

"I'm sorry Sir but your wife has three months to live."

"Don't worry Love! Think of the life insurance payout!!"

[imy9]

I suppose the only positive that has come from this story is that the players like Kean and are backing him, hopefully this can be turned into points for us.

[Amo]

I wouldn't have trusted Sam with money to spend.

I don't blame you.

I think it's best to judge our managers on how they do *WITH* a tight budget. Souness signed the likes of Friedel, Tugay & Neill, whilst Hughes brought in Samba, Warnock, Bentley, Santa Cruz, McCarthy - All of these players had a massive impact on the club. The closest Sam came to this was Nzonzi, who's looking like a one-season wonder at the moment.

Givet (£4m) - Solid player but he's been out of position for most his career here.

Salgado - Legend, but like you say, would Emerton be any worse?

Chimbonda - What a waste, when we needed a REAL left-back. A handful of good games and like a headless chicken for the rest.

When he was given money, he panic-bought Kalinic. And while I think Niko is class in the making, he was badly man-managed by Sam.

I'm sure people will wade in with the typical 'he bought Anelka for Bolton!' chestnut. So what? Rafa Benitez bought Torres for Liverpool, but would you trust him with your money?

[thenodrog]

Winning or not, you don't back your own club to be relegated. What a prick.

I have done...twice! But it's money I'd be delighted to lose.

[Teacup]

Winning or not, you don't back your own club to be relegated. What a prick.

I have done...twice! But it's money I'd be delighted to lose.

Haha, funniest thing I have read on here for days

[rebelmswar]

I have done...twice! But it's money I'd be delighted to lose.

This season?

[thenodrog]

I don't blame you.

I think it's best to judge our managers on how they do *WITH* a tight budget. Souness signed the likes of Friedel, Tugay & Neill,

Souness????? Allow me to carry on with your skewed history lessons.... Who at ewood could ever forget the contributions of the massive swindle surrounding Barry Ferguson? How about such wonderful players as Gresko, Pelzar, Curtis, Corbett, Amoruso, Di Pedro, Yordi, Greer, Matteo, and the biggest scam ever... Corrado bloody Grabbi? Better still ask a Soton fan about George Weah's cousin? How about 9 million to Gers for Boumsong at NUFC? Souness baled that Glasgow lot out for years with English money! I could go on and on.

As for Hughes? A truly remarkeable tenure in terms of making money for BRFC but even he cocked up with a few if you care to delve back Vogel for one but maybe I'm being unfair there. The axe wasn't much cop either but a massive stroke of luck saw us make money out of Kuqi cos he was crap too... oh and btw he's another the mighty Souness had wanted to sign now I remember.

Throw as much mud as you like topman, put whatever snidey slant on you here that you can but you can never alter the history books.

This season?

After the NUFC home match I think it was. Is that specific enough for you reb?

[rebelmswar]

After the NUFC home match I think it was. Is that specific enough for you reb?

Quite.

Just wondering how awful you see this situation actually is.

Would have put some on myself after the Villa game if I could have brought myself to it.

[Amo]

Souness????? Allow me to carry on with your skewed history lessons.... Who at ewood could ever forget the contributions of the massive swindle surrounding Barry Ferguson? How about such wonderful players as Gresko, Pelzar, Curtis, Corbett, Amoruso, Di Pedro, Yordi, Greer, Matteo, and the biggest scam ever... Corrado bloody Grabbi? Better still ask a Soton fan about George Weah's cousin? How about 9 million to Gers for Boumsong at NUFC? Souness baled that Glasgow lot out for years with English money! I could go on and on.

So out of them players, Grabbi & Ferguson were the only ones you could call expensive flops. The others were all signed for peanuts.

And did you *read* my post? I'm talking about signings on a tight budget. Souness & Hughes excelled that. Sam did... alright, at best.

Who comes close to Friedel, Neill & Tugay from Sam's crop?

As for Hughes? A truly remarkeable tenure in terms of making money for BRFC but even he cocked up with a few if you care to delve back Vogel for one but maybe I'm being unfair there. The axe wasn't much cop either but a massive stroke of luck saw us make money out of Kuqi cos he was crap too... oh and btw he's another the mighty Souness had wanted to sign now I remember.

Every manager signs a few duds here and there, but Hughes's bargains far outweighed them.

Throw as much mud as you like topman, put whatever snidey slant on you here that you can but you can never alter the history books.

Ra ra ra 'Allardyce for England' and all that crap.

[yoda]

I thought this was the Kean thread

[thenodrog]

So out of them players, Grabbi & Ferguson were the only ones you could call expensive flops. The others were all signed for peanuts.

Peanuts!!! I haven't even started on Cole and Yorke yet! Cole cost 7m and we simply gave him away after a fall out with your hero whilst both were on a kings ransom in wages. So thats two 7m deals and a 9m one of BRFC dosh thats been cast to the four winds and doubtless with a major slice going into a few back sacks along the way. Small wonder Duff had to go is it? You need to realise that you are flogging a dead horse here cock.

[rebelmswar]

I thought this was the Kean thread

I know, all this talk of actual managers just doesn't belong in here.

Its like putting salsa beside the jam in tesco's.

[imy9]

Peanuts!!! I haven't even started on Cole and Yorke yet! Cole cost 7m and we simply gave him away after a fall out with your hero whilst both were on a kings ransom in wages. You need to realise that you are flogging a dead horse here cock.

Cole cost nowhere near £7 million, about half according Nicko.

Givet is on £40K a week, as is Salgado, as is EHD, in fact most of the players Sam signed/ has signed in the past have been on fortunes.

The players that were hits for Souness for HUGE hits, players that would appear on the best 11 list, Sam's biggest hit would not get into a 23 man squad, let alone best 11.

[Amo]

Peanuts!!! I haven't even started on Cole and Yorke yet! Cole cost 7m and we simply gave him away after a fall out with your hero whilst both were on a kings ransom in wages. So thats two 7m deals and a 9m one of BRFC dosh thats been cast to the four winds and doubtless with a major slice going into a few back sacks along the way. Small wonder Duff had to go is it? You need to realise that you are flogging a dead horse here cock.

You didn't answer my question, Theno.

Who from Sam's bunch can compare to the £2m Souness paid for Friedel, Neill & Tugay?

And tbh, Cole helped us win a cup and Yorke helped us qualify for 6th & European football.

[Andy]

Refuse to believe that any Rovers player(excluding the current loanees) are being paid anywhere near £40k per week.

It'll be closer to half that.

Also, Cole was in the £7-8m range, regardless of what 'Mr Kean is a superstar manager in the making, you just don't realise it yet' Nicko says.

[Amo]

Refuse to believe that any Rovers player(excluding the current loanees) are being paid anywhere near £40k per week.

It'll be closer to half that.

You're joking right?

Diouf is a widely reported high-earner, as was Chimbonda before we shifted him, and then there's Salgado (who we had to break the wagebill to sign), aaaaand then Pedersen who's earning a bundle on his new deal (inc bonuses).

[rebelmswar]

You're joking right?

Diouf is a widely reported high-earner, as was Chimbonda before we shifted him, and then there's Salgado (who we had to break the wagebill to sign), aaaaand then Pedersen who's earning a bundle on his new deal (inc bonuses).

Who signed Pedersen?