[Archived] Steve Kean

[LeChuck]

Surely both Venky's and Rovers have adequate video conferencing facilities? There really isn't any need for them to be in the same country just to have a catch up.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Surely both Venky's and Rovers have adequate video conferencing facilities? There really isn't any need for them to be in the same country just to have a catch up.

He just needs to get a web cam fitted to his laptop and he will be sorted In this day and age it is amazing that he is travelling too and fro at such an important stage of the season. If the Venky's want to show some commitment to the club - surely they could fly over here to meet him and the playing staff ? They desperately need to improve PR - and yet pass up such easy ways of creating a better impression.

[broadsword]

Surely both Venky's and Rovers have adequate video conferencing facilities? There really isn't any need for them to be in the same country just to have a catch up.

You can't convey the same level of obsequiousness via webcam. It seems redolent of a manservant being summoned to kneel at his master's throne. Plus, Kean seems to like talking about getting his e-ticket for the flight over there. Maybe it makes him feel special.

Just another symptom of how our club has gone from being a tightly-run ship to the Mary Celeste with Rod Hull at the wheel and emu in charge of provisions.

[John]

Can just imagine Kean being so smooth when seeing Venky's face to face, being ridiculously positive and no doubt saying how all the young players coming through are really developing under him and Jensen.

I can see why Venky's, who know nothing about football, would like him - initially, IMO, they would have been given a brief on him from Jerome Anderson (deep thinker, studious, really positive, works long hours etc). So when he meets with them he validates that perspection of him, by doing his normal, talking fantasy not reality.

One recent interview mentions that Kean speaks for 3 or so hours with the brothers on football, would be cringe worthy discussions!

[onlyonejackwalker]

never heard that. Defo not sung in our end tho.

It was certainly not sung in the Blackburn End and I have not heard the chant for a number of weeks home or away.

One win against a tragic Bolton and Kean's stock seemingly rises again. People need to understand we already have a genuine top ten squad in place, waxed a further 5 million on improving it in January and comfortable wins against the lesser teams should be a given and expected, especially at home. If he wins two on the bounce he will be a shoe-in soon for the United job when Sir Alex retires!

Those suggesting Kean deserves the credit for.....his team, his tactics, his performance etc after one win against a knackered and inury ravaged Bolton are for me a little bit comical. The players are playing for their own futures, simple as that. People swimming hard to save themselves from a sinking ship don't do it for the Captain of the boat, they do it for self-presevation.

[Gav]

As has been pointed out numerous times, the Roas, and Indian people in general, like to business face to face, simple as that. They’ve already stated that they indent to have more of a presence at Ewood next season, after buying property in the area, but for now this is how it is and I have no problem with at all.

Lets not forget Kean offers nothing to Blackburn Rovers, so why are you all moaning and graoning

[seekay]

So why is it that the players seem to just love him and the fans just detest him? I reckon most fans perception of Kean has been mightily influenced by Sam saying that he's going to find out who backstabbed him -presumably meaning J.Anderson and by association S.Kean.

[gumboots]

So why is it that the players seem to just love him and the fans just detest him? I reckon most fans perception of Kean has been mightily influenced by Sam saying that he's going to find out who backstabbed him -presumably meaning J.Anderson and by association S.Kean.

I think to say the players love him is also an exaggeration. However, they do seem to appreciate him more than the fans do. Read what Olsson said about him.

[Mattyblue]

So why is it that the players seem to just love him and the fans just detest him? I reckon most fans perception of Kean has been mightily influenced by Sam saying that he's going to find out who backstabbed him -presumably meaning J.Anderson and by association S.Kean.

No, most fans perception have been influenced by his god awful record.

[OJRovers]

So why is it that the players seem to just love him and the fans just detest him? I reckon most fans perception of Kean has been mightily influenced by Sam saying that he's going to find out who backstabbed him -presumably meaning J.Anderson and by association S.Kean.

Why do the fan's detest him?

last 12 games:

LLLDLLDDDLLW

Forget anything big sam said.

[Guest roverite1991]

Kean has been atrocious in his reign thus far (imo) and I hope he leaves in the summer.

BUT he deserves SOME credit (at the very least) for an upturn in performances recently (minus Everton). People who say it's just the players playing for their own reputations or whatever......it's still Kean who decides who is on the pitch/bench/at home. At the very least, Steve Kean put the right players on the pitch on Saturday and his substitutions have made more sense lately too!

I'm not currently advocating he says on for next season, but just to play Devil's Advocate, what if (and I mean IF) we get 9 points out of 9 in the final 3 games? That would mean 2 losses in 9 games, or 15pts out of 27 (including a draw vs LeArse and a win over Utd).

[RibbleValleyRover]

So why is it that the players seem to just love him and the fans just detest him? I reckon most fans perception of Kean has been mightily influenced by Sam saying that he's going to find out who backstabbed him -presumably meaning J.Anderson and by association S.Kean.

Players love him probably due to him having been their coach for some time, I would imagine Sam would have been the authority figure and the coaches less so. He was a highly rated coach at the time and could have had a good relationship with the players. You will find that the most vocal Kean supporters from the playing side have been the ones who have been given new contracts, Roberts being the main cheerleader.

The fans detest him because of the results on the pitch. Most fans wouldn't give a fig about how Kean came to the job if Rovers were doing well in the league. I can only speak for myself in saying that I have no personal vendetta against the man, I just don't think he's up to the job. Results have in my opinion justified that viewpoint.

I am almost certain that if Rovers do end up surviving and Kean is given a chance to continue as manager we will be in a similar situation next season.

[John]

Kean is not good enough at the moment, however he could improve and turn out to be a decent manager. He has never made decisions, on his own, before therefore this is all new to him. It is possible he will learn from any mistakes and get better over time.

The risk factor in hoping he may become a good manager is far too high though, fair enough at lower league clubs but not in the Premier League as you will get found out.

[Steve Moss]

I'm not currently advocating he says on for next season, but just to play Devil's Advocate, what if (and I mean IF) we get 9 points out of 9 in the final 3 games? That would mean 2 losses in 9 games, or 15pts out of 27 (including a draw vs LeArse and a win over Utd).

By my math, if Kean wins that next 3 that will raise his win percentage to 33 1/3 %. I've always said if he gets his win percentage equal to or greater than that number I'd reconsider my opposition. So yes, I would not be spewing venom if Kean wins the next 3 straight and would be cautiously supportive going into next season.

On the other hand, what are the odds he wins the next 3? I really hope we do, would be ecstatic, but I don't think it likely.

[patrickvalery]

I am really surprised by some posters. There has seen a steep rise in the "I told you so" culture on here. People seem to have long memories and are all too eager to point out posts from days, weeks or even months ago.

With this in mind it seems strange that those who are always quick point the finger are so readily risking being made to look daft. Kean has had a terrible time of it in 2011. Nobody can dispute that. But, and it is a big but, if we manage to stay up, he could go on to prove himself to be a decent manager.

If i were viewing it from a non Rovers stand point, i could probably see some positives in there somewhere. He has coached abroad which is a bonus He was approached by one of the biggest clubs in the country to be an assistant and he will have had half a season in the PL as manager of a club which has seen untold upheaval off the pitch as well as on it. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger and all that jazz...

Maybe he hasn't given a good account of himself this season. Maybe he won't be given the chance to do so next season. But i am pretty confident he'll make a good fist of being a manager given time. Just remains to be seen if thats at Rovers or not.

[seekay]

I think the fact that Phil Jones got crocked in his first match plus being under pressure to produce attacking football from the start in a new job didn't help things. Since P.Jones has been back we started finally to NOT lose every time. Things do seem to be picking up now. And like anyone in a new job, you need at least 6 mnths to really get into it (not in football I know but anyway). Plus he hasn't cracked under all this pressure. For me the signs are he'll turn out ok. Just needs to stop picking Roberts. Somehow I don't fancy a Benitez-Joll-Mclaren type manager. They've had their chances and now they're unemployed. There must be a reason for that. Give old Keano a chance, or else bring in someone completely different like Michel Preudhomme. Took Standard liege to their first Belgian title in 15 years, then Gent for one year & won the Belgian cup. Now took over from Cheesy Steve at Twente and where are they? Top of t'Dutch league with one game left, and in the Dutch cup final and did well in Europe etc.

[tony gale's mic]

I am really surprised by some posters. There has seen a steep rise in the "I told you so" culture on here. People seem to have long memories and are all too eager to point out posts from days, weeks or even months ago.

With this in mind it seems strange that those who are always quick point the finger are so readily risking being made to look daft. Kean has had a terrible time of it in 2011. Nobody can dispute that. But, and it is a big but, if we manage to stay up, he could go on to prove himself to be a decent manager.

If i were viewing it from a non Rovers stand point, i could probably see some positives in there somewhere. He has coached abroad which is a bonus He was approached by one of the biggest clubs in the country to be an assistant and he will have had half a season in the PL as manager of a club which has seen untold upheaval off the pitch as well as on it. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger and all that jazz...

Maybe he hasn't given a good account of himself this season. Maybe he won't be given the chance to do so next season. But i am pretty confident he'll make a good fist of being a manager given time. Just remains to be seen if thats at Rovers or not.

Of course he could go on to be a decent manager, but it's far more likely than if Kean stays, Rovers will have another very tough season next time round. Why on earth should we carry on with someone who has never done well in management, when there are names out there who'd want to come who have had

We won against Bolton yes, but then their away record this season is worse than ours under Sam last season.

Appointing a manager like Kean with absolutely no experience of management was crazy enough in itself. Persisting with a manager who managed to get relegation form with a squad which had top 10 form throughout the previous 24 months would be even crazier.

And those positives mean absolutely nothing. Coaching abroad? In the Spanish second division? Big deal. Being wanted as an assistant means absolutely nothing - Rovers fans should know that the most considering our experiences with two title winning assistant managers in Kidd and Harford. And "untold upheaval off the pitch as well as on it" - multiple clubs change owners every season. Kean got a decent transfer budget this January. JW left but that shouldnt have had a big impact on his ability to manage the club. And the only big upheaval on the pitch was that we started losing a lot more games - something Kean was responsible for.

The most surprising thing is that anyone would see persisting with Kean as a logical standpoint to have.

[John]

I am really surprised by some posters. There has seen a steep rise in the "I told you so" culture on here. People seem to have long memories and are all too eager to point out posts from days, weeks or even months ago.

I think if some people have been completely adamant in their view (plus repeated their view on many occasions), and it does not turn out to be a correct/accurate one, it is only fair enough to highlight that.

[Gav]

Well if we manage to stay up, and I’m confident we will, then for me despite the Benitez rumours I think Kean saves his job and stays on as manager. If you look at what hes trying do by playing a more passing/entertaining style, and he’s given money to bring in players who can do just that, a few on here will be munching on humble pie come next season.

Would I sack him if we stay up, a resounding YES, but it’ll be interesting if he’s given a few quid to bring some quality in, and I’d be the first to say I was wrong if we’re entertaining the public rather than boring them to bits come Christmas time.

[thenodrog]

Well if we manage to stay up, and I’m confident we will, then for me despite the Benitez rumours I think Kean saves his job and stays on as manager. If you look at what hes trying do by playing a more passing/entertaining style, and he’s given money to bring in players who can do just that, a few on here will be munching on humble pie come next season.

Would I sack him if we stay up, a resounding YES, but it’ll be interesting if he’s given a few quid to bring some quality in, and I’d be the first to say I was wrong if we’re entertaining the public rather than boring them to bits come Christmas time.

Thankfully you wont have a say in any decision.

[broadsword]

Well if we manage to stay up, and I’m confident we will, then for me despite the Benitez rumours I think Kean saves his job and stays on as manager. If you look at what hes trying do by playing a more passing/entertaining style, and he’s given money to bring in players who can do just that, a few on here will be munching on humble pie come next season.

Would I sack him if we stay up, a resounding YES, but it’ll be interesting if he’s given a few quid to bring some quality in, and I’d be the first to say I was wrong if we’re entertaining the public rather than boring them to bits come Christmas time.

People will be eating humble pie if he stays on but you are certain he should go?

Sounds confused.

[Gav]

People will be eating humble pie if he stays on but you are certain he should go?

Sounds confused.

Well I'm in a fortunate position Bryan, yes I want him sacked and replaced with a manager with more experience, but I’m also not dead set against him staying, like most including yourself clearly are.

[Mattyblue]

I am against Kean because his record is appalling.

However, nothing suprises me with the Rao's so I fully expect him to be manager in August, if that is the situation I hope he does learn on the job for all our sakes, because starting with zero points he has nowhere to hide.

[broadsword]

Well I'm in a fortunate position Bryan, yes I want him sacked and replaced with a manager with more experience, but I’m also not dead set against him staying, like most including yourself clearly are.

Yes, because he's a useless ######.

[mjs]

Whether we love him or hate him, he certainly seems to have the most important thing on his side right now - the players.