[Archived] Steve Kean

[tony gale's mic]

Well I'm in a fortunate position Bryan, yes I want him sacked and replaced with a manager with more experience, but I’m also not dead set against him staying, like most including yourself clearly are.

[Amo]

Why do the fan's detest him?

last 12 games:

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Forget anything big sam said.

I think it goes further than that, considering the personal insults that have nothing to do with his management.

But yes, the underlying issue is the poor results.

[patrickvalery]

I think my post was taken a little out of context. I'm not trying to defend the mans performance at all. Nor am I campaigning for him to stay on as Rovers boss. But i think its wholly unfair to write him off as a manager after half a season in the job. It is my entitled belief that he could produce the goods as he gains experience. If that happens to be the case then more than a fair slice of humble pie will have to be consumed in some quarters.

As for the qualities i listed, well i was hypothesising really. As i said, if i could adopt a non Rovers standpoint i may perceive X,Y and Z as positives. Although even as a Rover i do consider coaching abroad as a plus point. For the same reason as they say travel broadens the mind. Experiencing different football cultures, especially those as provident as Spain's can only be a plus.

For a novice he could be a whole lot worse and, although this little adventure at Rovers has been less than spectacular, i honestly think in the long term he might do OK.

[BuckyRover]

I have thought for a while that keeping us in the league could be the making of him as a manager.

For a while I thought he was going to fail spectacularly but there is still hope. I wouldnt be surprised if he won the last three games of the season. This could be a watershed moment.

If he keeps us up, I expect him to be manager in August. Not sure what I think about that really.

I need to be convinced but I think it would be a bit strange to sack him as all the players still appear to be playing for him.

Interesting times.

[thenodrog]

I have thought for a while that keeping us in the league could be the making of him as a manager.

For a while I thought he was going to fail spectacularly but there is still hope. I wouldnt be surprised if he won the last three games of the season. This could be a watershed moment.

If he keeps us up, I expect him to be manager in August. Not sure what I think about that really.

I need to be convinced but I think it would be a bit strange to sack him as all the players still appear to be playing for him.

Interesting times.

I hadn't noticed but you are obviously back bucky. Rather a mysterious disappearence or have I just missed something?

[Stuart]

It's amazing the sway of opinions following a win, compared with a defeat or draw.

One win and "Kean might make it". Anything else and he should go.

He had his chance when he was first given the job; he's had stay after stay of execution; the only hope after this season is over is that Kean is replaced by an experienced, PL quality manager. No more experiments.

As far as I'm concerned, it is an absolute requirement of Venkys that they do this to demonstrate their intentions for the future of our club, since despite what they have said, everything they have done to date has been cost reduction and screams of "champagne tastes and beer money". Goodness knows what they were told about Gabriel Rochina-stuta and I'm still scratching my head over the circumstances of Formica's arrival and lack of anything close to a substitute appearance.

We can only speculate as to whether a new manager (or even Sam) would have beaten Blackpool and Birmingham but regardless of the win over Bolton he needs to go.

[BuckyRover]

I hadn't noticed but you are obviously back bucky. Rather a mysterious disappearence or have I just missed something?

I thought that this board was taking over my life. So I stopped for a while.

I didn't plan to post again but I started reading a few weeks ago and found it too hard to resist.

[roverandout]

so one scrappy win against a VERY poor bolton side suddenly makes things all right again? have you forgotten the last dozen games under his management? is he the new messiah now that rovers have actually won a game? The result against bolton changes nothing of my opinion of him, the guy is still a grade A numpty and i want him gone in the summer

[BuckyRover]

so one scrappy win against a VERY poor bolton side suddenly makes things all right again? have you forgotten the last dozen games under his management? is he the new messiah now that rovers have actually won a game? The result against bolton changes nothing of my opinion of him, the guy is still a grade A numpty and i want him gone in the summer

I dont think a single poster has said they WANT Steve Kean to remain as manager.

Just wondering what might happen.

[Amo]

We can only speculate as too whether a new manager (or even Sam) would have beaten Blackpool and Birmingham but regardless of the win over Bolton he needs to go.

That's Venky's call to make. Ideally, we'd all love an experienced manager at the helm, but if they back him, we can only pray that he's another Coyle or Moyes in the making. To his credit, he does appear to be learning quickly (his substitutions are less erratic), and he hasn't lost the dressing room. Whether that means he can make it as a PL manager, well.... the odds aren't good.

[jim mk2]

I be a bit strange to sack him as all the players still appear to be playing for him.

You're giving this twerp of a manager far too much credit. Don't you think the improved performances might be because it's finally dawned on them their lifestyles and huge pay packets might be under threat in the event of relegation ?

Welcome back. In view of Rovers' slide over the past few months perhaps you might now appreciate the sterling work of the previous manager.

[liam]

Well if we manage to stay up, and I’m confident we will, then for me despite the Benitez rumours I think Kean saves his job and stays on as manager. If you look at what hes trying do by playing a more passing/entertaining style, and he’s given money to bring in players who can do just that, a few on here will be munching on humble pie come next season. Your Having a laugh, yeah?

Would I sack him if we stay up, a resounding YES, but it’ll be interesting if he’s given a few quid to bring some quality in, and I’d be the first to say I was wrong if we’re entertaining the public rather than boring them to bits come Christmas time.

[roverandout]

bucky i wasnt having a go at you personally, just some people on here think that 'all is forgiven' just because rovers have finally won a game, i was loath to see them win on saturday because of that smug grin on the baldy's face at the end of the game.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

bucky i wasnt having a go at you personally, just some people on here think that 'all is forgiven' just because rovers have finally won a game, i was loath to see them win on saturday because of that smug grin on the baldy's face at the end of the game.

With Kean - what is there to forgive ? He was offered is dream job - he took it - would anyone else do anything different ? I have yet to see any proof that he was personally behind Sam's dismissal - indeed if he was I doubt he would still have the dressing room. Though I can understand people questioning his abilities - especially his experience - I find some of the more personal stuff confusing and at times distasteful.

As for his tenure - things have improved since the early days when he obviously tried to change too much too quickly. Whether they have improved enough is debateable - but it is interesting to hear Olsson compliment both Kean and BS - with the emphasis on Kean giving young players confidence (something we have seen in Hoilett and Olsson).

[blue_and_white]

I think it goes further than that, considering the personal insults that have nothing to do with his management.

But yes, the underlying issue is the poor results.

I think the personal insults are just what generally happens when fans get carried away with their criticism for someone who is damaging the club. At least half of all anti-Allardyce posts when he was in charge involved personal insults (including his commonly referred to BFS tag which some idiot fans actually tried to incorporate into the "blue and white army" song to begin with) and they were dished out seemingly on the basis that we didn't win prettily enough and he occasionally praised himself in interviews.

Kean got the job under dubious circumstances, is heavily linked to a scouting agency that should never be this involved with the club, wasn't qualified for the role and has done a very poor job. All things considered I don't think many fans do detest him when you consider the harsh treatment meated out to former managers and current players for far less significant failings. And of course the good football obsessives are unflinchingly determined to see the best in him.

[Mercer]

IMO, Kean has not done one thing that suggests he's suitable for this job.

Again, IMO, he's a bullsh1tting chancer who isn't to be trusted.

Judge him by his results' record and his disastrous transfer window - that really says it all!

[HemelRover]

You're giving this twerp of a manager far too much credit. Don't you think the improved performances might be because it's finally dawned on them their lifestyles and huge pay packets might be under threat in the event of relegation ?

Sorry Jim, I dont buy that.

How are their lifestyles and huge pay packets under threat?

Wasnt it reported all the new contracts that were handed out had the relegation clauses taken out. All the big earners would still be paid the same whether their in the Prem or the Championship. They dont have to agree to be sold. They could just sit earning the same wage and refuse to go.

[USABlue]

With Kean - what is there to forgive ? He was offered is dream job - he took it - would anyone else do anything different ? I have yet to see any proof that he was personally behind Sam's dismissal - indeed if he was I doubt he would still have the dressing room. Though I can understand people questioning his abilities - especially his experience - I find some of the more personal stuff confusing and at times distasteful.

As for his tenure - things have improved since the early days when he obviously tried to change too much too quickly. Whether they have improved enough is debateable - but it is interesting to hear Olsson compliment both Kean and BS - with the emphasis on Kean giving young players confidence (something we have seen in Hoilett and Olsson).

I was just going to come on here and ask if Kean deserves any credit for the emergence of Hoilett and Olssen, I mean they really only began to truly shine since he has been in charge, IMHO of course. Now I am sure there will be a million psters to say how big Sam set it all up or somethings of similar ilk but it just seems like these two have really become game changers lately.

[Mayfield]

I was just going to come on here and ask if Kean deserves any credit for the emergence of Hoilett and Olssen, I mean they really only began to truly shine since he has been in charge, IMHO of course. Now I am sure there will be a million psters to say how big Sam set it all up or somethings of similar ilk but it just seems like these two have really become game changers lately.

Ince gave Ollson his big chance, Big Sam brought him up and Kean is getting the rewards for it, as for Hoilett it's pretty much the same Sam brought him up and taught him and now he's starting to shine.

[BangkokRover]

If Kean is the manager at the start of next season I think we should all be very worried. Lets look at his record:

Sorry but that is not the record of a quality manager.

This pre season coming is so important to Rovers. It's a chance to start a fresh, I for one certainly hope he is replaced. He should be removed from the club, as I doubt any decent manager would want to work with him. Not as he his not a good manager but due to they will want to bring in their own trusted backroom staff.

Maybe he can go off to India and run the Rovers academy there.

[Darwen Rover]

I think fundamental to Rovers future is a good chairman... Currently the raos are being bluffed by kean (unsackable) and the agency...they need their own person in granted who they trust but someone who knows football..

[alexanders]

Ince gave Ollson his big chance, Big Sam brought him up and Kean is getting the rewards for it, as for Hoilett it's pretty much the same Sam brought him up and taught him and now he's starting to shine.

[den]

I think fundamental to Rovers future is a good chairman... Currently the raos are being bluffed by kean (unsackable) and the agency...they need their own person in granted who they trust but someone who knows football..

Right on the button Darwen Rover.

This is probably the most important step that Venky's can make. They simply must have someone at the club who can give them an overall, measured guidance of where the club is now and what needs to be done to move it forward. Seems to me that Kean is running the whole club and operation at the moment, and he has far too much input. He needs to be judged by someone of top credentials, just as everyone else does.

A top class chief executive should be a priority. First thing I would do if I was the CEO, is stop Keans' ridiculous trips to India and explain to him exactly where his responsibilities lie. Venky's would be wise to employ someone to look at the whole structure of the club, the involvement of Kentaro, players contracts and club finances - just for starters.

[cruz]

for Hoilett it's pretty much the same Sam brought him up and taught him and now he's starting to shine.

Sam taught him to sit still and stop fidgeting

[cruz]

You're giving this twerp of a manager far too much credit. Don't you think the improved performances might be because it's finally dawned on them their lifestyles and huge pay packets might be under threat in the event of relegation ?

When I suggested that the players should take a large portion of the blame for giving us the worst run for 25 years I was told the buck stops with the manager. We win a game and suddenly it's nothing to do with the manager but all down to the players.

The players have been just as incompetent as the manager over the last 3 months and they should all hang their heads collectively