[Archived] Steve Kean

[thenodrog]

It was common knowledge that Ince required dispensation from the PL (like Southgate) to take the job.

This never happened with Kean.

Really? Well I never.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I don;t even understand what exactly is meant by the 'backstabber' accusation, nor 'puppet'. People just seem to think in soundbites these days.

One time I was told end Friday that my boss was going to get canned on the Monday morning, and would I agree to step into his role. I was asked not to say anything to anyone except t'wife. Should I have phoned him so he could rant and rage all weekend and still get canned on the Monday? Or refuse the step up because he was my boss? Of course not, my loyalty was to the company that employed me, not whoever happened to be my boss at any point in time. If, on the other hand, Kean had spent weeks secretly faxing Pune with untruths about him then that might qualify as backstabbing.

I also spent 24 years doing what my bosses asked me to do, which makes me a puppet presumably, though I did mostly get to decide how I did it.

[chris]

I also spent 24 years doing what my bosses asked me to do, which makes me a puppet presumably, though I did mostly get to decide how I did it.

After 12 years you should have cut his brakes, while he's injured take over his role and do it better then he did, keep his job buy as swimmingpool for the garden, get a holiday home in Spain, get a bit on the side.

nice guys come last.

[Jimmy612]

ffs, just support the guy untill the end of the season. he is out of his depth, but lets just get over the finish line

That would make for an abysmal messageboard if we all just said 'listen lets agree to disagree and get behind the manager'

This MB is about discussing BRFC, not burying our heads and ignoring what we believe

[greco]

You mean like members insinuating that Kean doesn't even have the basic qualifications?

Even though there's no way he could have got the job without it?

That sort of thing?

im actually glad you asked. My personal preference is, that there should be room for speculation on a football messageboard. Otherwise it would be boring as hell. Every goddamn discussion would end with the sentence, "i want proof"

BUT

when a poster constantly requires bulletproof evidence, when others state their speculations, he or she should live by the exact same code/rules. Does that not seem fair..?

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

If the ref had intervened like the ref at Chelsea last weekend we'd have been 0-4 down at HT! Or have you forgotten that DMTP?

So if the referee had made three bad and incorrect decisions we would have been 4 nil down - you sound like Holloway's rant after the match. The anti-Kean sentiment continues with renewed ridiculousness.

[Mattyblue]

But isn't most of the 'anti Kean sentiment' because of his pi$$ poor record?

90% of this message board want him sacked, the majority of who aren't hysterical, conspiracy theorists, but have simply seen a collapse in results that could still end in relegation.

[John]

One good result and, for some, everything is rosy in the garden again.

Of course give credit where it is due for winning our first match since January but because of Kean's results to date we still find ourselves in a battle for our lives(especially taking into account our remaining games which will be seriously pressurised matches against teams all fighting for something).

I am probably worrying too much about relegation, however football has got a nasty knack of biting you in the backside, we are not out of the woods yet.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

But isn't most of the 'anti Kean sentiment' because of his pi$$ poor record?

90% of this message board want him sacked, the majority of who aren't hysterical, conspiracy theorists, but have simply seen a collapse in results that could still end in relegation.

If somebody said his tactics were poor when he first took over - I would totally agree. If they said his points total didn't justify him retaining his job - I would agree. However - personally I don't agree with the childish name calling - or some of the more ridiculous reasons put down to him. How anyone, even of the tangerine pursuasion, could argue against Rovers being hampered by an inept refereeing display in the Blackpool match is beyond me.

[roverandout]

have u forgotten that ref disallowing 2 blackpool goals that game? how you can say rovers were the better side in the first half is boyond belief. Rovers were awfull first half, improved slightly in the second and got a lat gasp equalizer which on another day might not have happened. Im fed up of people blaming the ref to cover kean's deficiances.

[imy9]

im actually glad you asked. My personal preference is, that there should be room for speculation on a football messageboard. Otherwise it would be boring as hell. Every goddamn discussion would end with the sentence, "i want proof"

BUT

when a poster constantly requires bulletproof evidence, when others state their speculations, he or she should live by the exact same code/rules. Does that not seem fair..?

Stating speculation as something that you heard is fine, it's when posters state it as fact and it is completely untrue, that's when there is a clear problem. Pages and pages about Keans lack of qualifications when a couple of clicks on google reveals that he trains other coaches and could not be a pl manager without the relevant experience/qualification, is pointless discussing it.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

have u forgotten that ref disallowing 2 blackpool goals that game? how you can say rovers were the better side in the first half is boyond belief. Rovers were awfull first half, improved slightly in the second and got a lat gasp equalizer which on another day might not have happened. Im fed up of people blaming the ref to cover kean's deficiances.

Ok - quick summary of Blackpool match - up to first goal Rovers in control - 25 minutes in referee gives a "soft" penalty (better known as a c**p decision) - then quickly score from a brilliant free kick - Rovers heads drop and Blackpool have the better of the remainder of the first half. In the first half Blackpool have two goals CORRECTLY disallowed for off-side. Second half Rovers batter Blackpool - and if they had taken their chances could possibly have won the match - though had to rely on a dubious free kick to give them the opportunity to equalise with only seconds remaining.

Now you may sit in a different part of the ground - but that was my view from the DE - and that of many Blackpool fans I spoke to after the match.

I have no problem with people wanting Kean out, given his record it is the logical conclusion - but please don't undermine the effort that the players put into the Blackpool match in your effort to have a go at Kean.

[gumboots]

Ok - quick summary of Blackpool match - up to first goal Rovers in control - 25 minutes in referee gives a "soft" penalty (better known as a c**p decision) - then quickly score from a brilliant free kick - Rovers heads drop and Blackpool have the better of the remainder of the first half. In the first half Blackpool have two goals CORRECTLY disallowed for off-side. Second half Rovers batter Blackpool - and if they had taken their chances could possibly have won the match - though had to rely on a dubious free kick to give them the opportunity to equalise with only seconds remaining.

Now you may sit in a different part of the ground - but that was my view from the DE - and that of many Blackpool fans I spoke to after the match.

I have no problem with people wanting Kean out, given his record it is the logical conclusion - but please don't undermine the effort that the players put into the Blackpool match in your effort to have a go at Kean.

Looked pretty much like that from the Blackburn end too.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Allardyce moved Olsson forward to left midfield very successfully last season. Allardyce also talked Hoilett into signing another contract with BRFC last season.

For what it's worth I accept that he didn't play Hoilett as much as I would have liked this season, but then again I don't see players at close quarters 5 days a week either.

The comments about Kean giving young players confidence - came from Olsson - not me. He also spoke of Sam in a positive way - so not a bash either way. Allardyce did a good job bringing through Jones and Olsson - all Olsson was saying is that Kean is also doing a good job with the youngsters. Sorry - my mistake - that was something positive about Kean - I will be accused of being pro-Kean as we have finally won a match

[my_name_is_Earl]

have u forgotten that ref disallowing 2 blackpool goals that game? how you can say rovers were the better side in the first half is boyond belief. Rovers were awfull first half, improved slightly in the second and got a lat gasp equalizer which on another day might not have happened. Im fed up of people blaming the ref to cover kean's deficiances.

I've got to say we have had some awful referees this season, even with BS in charge. I'm not sure why we have had so many bad decisions and i'm sure it's not part of some hidden agenda but at the end of the day, we've had to stomach many pretty appalling performances from the referee brigade this season.

At the same time Kean has made many mistakes with team selection, in my opinion, and looks tactically naive not fully utilising his substitutes in the most appropriate manner, again that's only my opinion.

The difficulty is trying to separate who's been responsible for what, although I think the reason we have slid alarmingly down the table, is equally due to both factors. The shambolic Blackpool first half, however, was definitely due to Kean getting his tactics wrong/not communicating them properly to the team.

[greco]

Stating speculation as something that you heard is fine, it's when posters state it as fact and it is completely untrue, that's when there is a clear problem. Pages and pages about Keans lack of qualifications when a couple of clicks on google reveals that he trains other coaches and could not be a pl manager without the relevant experience/qualification, is pointless discussing it.

i couldnt give a ######, if its your panties we are discussing, if gav wants to act like a judge and demand evidence, then he should do the same himself, when he presents his own views, on this mb.

had it been another poster, i wouldnt have said anything, but when it comes from someone, who demands of others, what he himnself cant deliver, then that hypocritical behaviour should be called out.

[Mattyblue]

Let it go greco.

Got to say, Gav's 'END OF DISCUSSION' comment made me chuckle, he's a right pantomime dame these days.

[Amo]

One good result and, for some, everything is rosy in the garden again.

Of course give credit where it is due for winning our first match since January but because of Kean's results to date we still find ourselves in a battle for our lives(especially taking into account our remaining games which will be seriously pressurised matches against teams all fighting for something).

I am probably worrying too much about relegation, however football has got a nasty knack of biting you in the backside, we are not out of the woods yet.

So, unless people are calling for Kean to be hung, drawn & quartered 24-7, that translates to "everything is rosy in the garden".

Come on, John. You're better than this.

[47er]

47 you are, imo, a decent poster but to accuse somebody of being a backstabber and then not substantiating the accusation is bang out of order.

I haven't! Look back through my posts! Others have gone on about this a lot. I've hardly ever mentioned it! I'm simply saying that its disingenuous to demand proof of something when its not possible to find it. Unless you were actually there at the time! Can you prove that the Pakistani government knew that Bin Laden was living near the capitol for 3 years 100 yards from their military academy? Course you can't but you'd be naive not to think it.

Kean was such a bad appointment that its bound to give rise to suspicion and that's as far as I go.

[BangkokRover]

ffs, just support the guy untill the end of the season. he is out of his depth, but lets just get over the finish line

I completely agree, I don't expect us to get many more points before the end of the season maybe 1 but it should be enough for us to stay up.

[Iceman]

That would make for an abysmal messageboard if we all just said 'listen lets agree to disagree and get behind the manager'

This MB is about discussing BRFC, not burying our heads and ignoring what we believe

not saying dont have a discussion about Kean, but to go on and on about his inabilty as a manager is just getting silly now. is it going to get him sacked? we know he is ######, but everything that goes wrong is Keans fault. there is a group of profressionals, who are experienced enough to have assesssed the situation and done something about it. many of the players have been given a chance, yet instead of grabbing that chance and cementing their place, they have wasted it. Keans tactics have been wrong, substitutions awful etc, but the players are just as much to blame for the mess. Kean can play any formation, use any players, but when that whistle goes, its down to the 11 selected. i dont want Kean in charge, i have voted to sack him, but rather discuss what he should be doing to improve the team, than to constantly attack the guy, when it does nothing to him.

[Parsonblue]

he keeps harping back to back-stabbing.. like a broken record. it unsubstantuated and cant be stated as fact... no matter how much 47er and others want it to be true.

While I totally agree it cannot be proved one way or the other, the problem is that of perception. Many believe that Kean did no favours for Sam or MacDonald. While you cannot blame Kean for taking the opportunity to climb above others to take the top job, it still doesn't sit well with many people. I fully appreciate that some will say that's business and it happens in any walk of life. I wouldn't disagree with that. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean to say people have to agree with it or like those involved. Personally, I think the manner in which he got the job is the reason why I don't think I will ever warm to Kean, no matter how successful he might be.

I might change my opinion of his managerial skills in time, although there has been little to induce me to do so as of yet - one win in three months is no cause for celebration. However, the way in which he got the job and the fact that his agent was hand in glove with the owners at that time, is the reason why I don't believe that I will ever like the guy.

[Mattyblue]

not saying dont have a discussion about Kean, but to go on and on about his inabilty as a manager is just getting silly now. is it going to get him sacked? we know he is ######, but everything that goes wrong is Keans fault. there is a group of profressionals, who are experienced enough to have assesssed the situation and done something about it. many of the players have been given a chance, yet instead of grabbing that chance and cementing their place, they have wasted it. Keans tactics have been wrong, substitutions awful etc, but the players are just as much to blame for the mess. Kean can play any formation, use any players, but when that whistle goes, its down to the 11 selected. i dont want Kean in charge, i have voted to sack him, but rather discuss what he should be doing to improve the team, than to constantly attack the guy, when it does nothing to him.

Allardyce got slaughtered on here for two years by some posters, I disagreed with that opinion and argued my point week in week out, it was pointless because he wasn't going to get sacked (ha!),however I never for one second thought people shouldn't be able to post what they thought of the bloke.

Same goes for Kean.

[Gav]

Let it go greco.

Got to say, Gav's 'END OF DISCUSSION' comment made me chuckle, he's a right pantomime dame these days.

Sometimes Matty you quickly realise that the conversation is going only one way, and my warning level would have been raised to critical before 4pm yesterday by the mods I’m sure, so I opted out

The poster, now on ignore, has been told around 10 times that if he reads this thread back he'll not only see accusations, he'll see names also, can't be more clearer than that now can I?

'END OF DISCUSSION' for the second time

Many believe that Kean did no favours for Sam or MacDonald. While you cannot blame Kean for taking the opportunity to climb above others to take the top job, it still doesn't sit well with many people.

Just on that point, only a bitter Sam Allardyce and he media cronies have ever alluded to that, the same media cronies that stated, and then retracted, Kean was being sacked in London after the Fulham game.

I don't buy into that at all.

[Mattyblue]

Bloody hell GAV, I don't need telling twice!