[Archived] Steve Kean

[Jimmy612]

Are you sure I said that?

Regardless, I was looking at Martin Jol or Martin O’Neill when it happened, didn't think we'd ever appoint Kean

Posted 13 December 2010 - 19:55 PM

The manager has served his purpose, and that was keeping us in the premiership and maintaining that status. We didn’t know that a takeover was imminent, but that was case, and Allardyce has done a good job to keep us ticking over.

Not going to dwell on his football philosophy etc etc, but its not acceptable to play mundane negative football week after week, we lost many fans over his tenure, they will now hopefully return.

Absolutely fantastic decision and great timing also, you can’t give Allardyce the transfer budget if you’re looking to sack him, that happens far to often.

Yeh i'm pretty sure you said that.

O'Neill spent huge amounts of money at Villa, and would certainly not be someone to allow Anderson to get involved in every transfer window, he isn't a puppet.

Jol i'm not sure about, did well at Spurs, again spending a huge amount of money, and of course was eventually sacked. How did he do at Ajax?

[Mattyblue]

'Absolutely fantastic decision and great timing also'

Ohhhhhhh Gav, you didn't!

[Gav]

Posted 13 December 2010 - 19:55 PM

The manager has served his purpose, and that was keeping us in the premiership and maintaining that status. We didn’t know that a takeover was imminent, but that was case, and Allardyce has done a good job to keep us ticking over.

Not going to dwell on his football philosophy etc etc, but its not acceptable to play mundane negative football week after week, we lost many fans over his tenure, they will now hopefully return.

Absolutely fantastic decision and great timing also, you can’t give Allardyce the transfer budget if you’re looking to sack him, that happens far to often.

Yeh i'm pretty sure you said that.

O'Neill spent huge amounts of money at Villa, and would certainly not be someone to allow Anderson to get involved in every transfer window, he isn't a puppet.

Jol i'm not sure about, did well at Spurs, again spending a huge amount of money, and of course was eventually sacked. How did he do at Ajax?

Have you been saving that up Jimmy? Nobody has ever searched back for my posts before, I feel honoured, now you’re sure its mine aren’t you? makes alot of sence I'd say.

Anyway makes not the slightest bit of difference, I was over the moon then and I'm over the moon now that he's gone, simple as that.

'Absolutely fantastic decision and great timing also'

Ohhhhhhh Gav, you didn't!

Little did I know they'd give Kean the purse strings, then again he didn't do a bad job in the end.

[Jimmy612]

Little did I know they'd give Kean the purse strings, then again he didn't do a bad job in the end.

Contender for post of the year

[Gav]

Contender for post of the year

Two name:

Jermaine Jones and Rochina

[Jimmy612]

Two name:

Jermaine Jones and Rochina

Two names:

RSC and Formica

And what about Rochina? He's showed a couple of nice glimpses, nothing to suggest he will be an influential player for us. Many young players have shown to posses talent but never exhibit it properly at this level. Gio Dos Santos is one, could probably come up with a number of others give chance to think

[Amo]

Seeing as...

a. he had no previous transfer market experience

b. January is a s*** time to buy players, and

c. it's hard enough to buy proven players on a shoestring

Kean hasn't done too badly.

[Gav]

Two names:

RSC and Formica

And what about Rochina? He's showed a couple of nice glimpses, nothing to suggest he will be an influential player for us. Many young players have shown to posses talent but never exhibit it properly at this level. Gio Dos Santos is one, could probably come up with a number of others give chance to think

Having seen Rochina in the reserves he's a player, mark my words.

Give Formica a pre-season before judging, and Allardyce was going to sign RSC you know

You missed out Jones, but you clearly agree that was a godd Kean purchase don't you?

[Jimmy612]

Seeing as...

a. he had no previous transfer market experience

b. January is a s*** time to buy players, and

c. it's hard enough to buy proven players on a shoestring

Kean hasn't done too badly.

He brought 4 players to the club, 3 of which have had very little positive impact on results since they joined. Please explain how he hasn't done badly?

Mind you I can't disagree with JJ, good player, unfortunately he needs a creative midfielder next to him

[Amo]

He brought 4 players to the club, 3 of which have had very little positive impact on results since they joined. Please explain how he hasn't done badly?

Mind you I can't disagree with JJ, good player, unfortunately he needs a creative midfielder next to him

Like you say, Jones has been immense, and the type of player we've needed since Savage left.

Formica & Rochina are for the future, and Rochina has already shown signs of potential at this level.

Roque has cost nothing (besides his fat wages) and will go back to City shortly. Sam would've taken a chance on him too.

It's very difficult to find players who can hit the ground running in the PL. So, like I said, all things considered, not a bad window.

[Gav]

Mind you I can't disagree with JJ, good player, unfortunately he needs a creative midfielder next to him

Agreeing with me is always a step in the right direction Jimmy and on that note I'm off to bed

[AHoyle90]

Jermaine Jones has been a good siging, Roque dissapointing. Formica pretty disappointing so far considering he cost £3.5m and comes with a good reputation and isnt up to match fitness after 4 months, Rochina has raw talent but needs a lot of coaching and game time before he cements a place in the first team, just gives the ball away in key areas too much at the minute, I'm sure he will develop into a really good exciting player though and its great to have somebody of his potential at the club.

I read Big Sam was after Osvaldo from Espanyol and Roque as a back up?

Either way, Jermaine Jones best signing, got a great engine, puts his foot in. Like other said just need a creative spark alongside him with Hoilett and Olsson either side your looking at our best midfield since Tugay pulled the strings.

[47er]

Jermaine Jones has been a good siging, Roque dissapointing. Formica pretty disappointing so far considering he cost £3.5m and comes with a good reputation and isnt up to match fitness after 4 months, Rochina has raw talent but needs a lot of coaching and game time before he cements a place in the first team, just gives the ball away in key areas too much at the minute, I'm sure he will develop into a really good exciting player though and its great to have somebody of his potential at the club.

I read Big Sam was after Osvaldo from Espanyol and Roque as a back up?

Either way, Jermaine Jones best signing, got a great engine, puts his foot in. Like other said just need a creative spark alongside him with Hoilett and Olsson either side your looking at our best midfield since Tugay pulled the strings.

No wonder Gav's keen to get into his jimjams after a post like that

"Absolutely fantastic decision and great timing also..." Yet Gav you have written many times on here that you supported the sacking but not the timing. Should have been given till summer you said.

Big fraud Gav ! Well and truly caught out.

[Jimmy612]

Having seen Rochina in the reserves he's a player, mark my words. Consider them marked

Give Formica a pre-season before judging, and Allardyce was going to sign RSC you know

You missed out Jones, but you clearly agree that was a godd Kean purchase don't you?

Like I said above Gav, Rochina has a nice touch and looks like a talented lad, but too many players have fallen by the wayside because they couldn't cut it at PL level, we will wait and see on Rochina.

Allardyce was linked with RSC you mean? I assume a more thorough medical would have gone ahead under Allardyce, as I am led to believe that the one carried out was hardly strenuous.

Formica cost 3.5 million pounds and has done nothing (largely disappointing) however I will reserve my judgement.

JJ as I mentioned above has done well. 1 out of 4 eynt bad

[Jimmy612]

Like you say, Jones has been immense, and the type of player we've needed since Savage left.

Formica & Rochina are for the future, and Rochina has already shown signs of potential at this level.

Roque has cost nothing (besides his fat wages) and will go back to City shortly. Sam would've taken a chance on him too.

It's very difficult to find players who can hit the ground running in the PL. So, like I said, all things considered, not a bad window.

I thought it would have been the priority of any manager to ensure that he strengthened the first team to ensure PL survival before he started thinking about the future. There were plenty of PL quality players available (O'Hara was one I would have liked to have seen here)

And why has he signed an attacking midfielder for 3.5million when it is clear his priority (however stupid it may be) is to play 4-4-2?

[Amo]

I thought it would have been the priority of any manager to ensure that he strengthened the first team to ensure PL survival before he started thinking about the future. There were plenty of PL quality players available (O'Hara was one I would have liked to have seen here)

If we hadn't signed Formica, he'd have been off elsewhere, so we chose to snap him up while we could. You have to take those opportunities, and we'll be laughing if he lives up to his potential.

Yeah, O'Hara would have been good, but who else? I'd love to know where all these quality PL players are within £3.5m, when January is such a bitch for transfers.

And why has he signed an attacking midfielder for 3.5million when it is clear his priority (however stupid it may be) is to play 4-4-2?

So an attacking midfielder can't play in a 4-4-2 now?

[Jimmy612]

If we hadn't signed Formica, he'd have been off elsewhere, so we chose to snap him up while we could. You have to take those opportunities, and we'll be laughing if he lives up to his potential.

Yeah, O'Hara would have been good, but who else? I'd love to know where all these quality PL players are within £3.5m, when January is such a bitch for transfers.

So an attacking midfielder can't play in a 4-4-2 now?

You have to take those opportunities? What do we know about him, he's played for Newells Old Boys? Villanueva was meant to be a superstar aswell lets not forget. 3.5million is a lot to throw at a kid who clearly is not even close to being ready for the PL.

True January is a bitch, so why start throwing money around during it. I've just made an example of O'Hara who would have been a loan option. He could have come straight into our team, made a difference and then we could have assessed it in the Summer. Instead we rushed in and signed some kid from Argentina who is yet to play one second of first team football.

According to various sources Formica is too lightweight for the Prem, why on earth would you think he could hack it in the middle of midfield? There aren't many players who play in a 4-4-2 and don't have a tackle in them, and get knocked of the ball easily. I was under the impression he played just in front of the midfield, does he not?

Of course I shall reserve my judgement until we see him (if we ever do).

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I thought it would have been the priority of any manager to ensure that he strengthened the first team to ensure PL survival before he started thinking about the future. There were plenty of PL quality players available (O'Hara was one I would have liked to have seen here)

And why has he signed an attacking midfielder for 3.5million when it is clear his priority (however stupid it may be) is to play 4-4-2?

At the time I thought the window probably as good as we could have got - would have liked to see Warnock in, and O'Hara would have been class.

It was a good balance - two established players - and two for the future. The two for the future were brought in on permanent contracts - the established players on loan to basically fill the gap until the end of the season. The strategy was only undermined by Rogue's poor form and injury record (though the injury record shouldn't have been a surprise). If Roque had come in as per his first season at Rovers - we wouldn't even be contemplating relegation or possibly even questioning Kean's appointment - such are the fine lines between success and failure (p.s. not saying Kean is a master tactician - just that a few goals - rather than missed chances - would have made a world of difference to our season - as they would for most teams).

[jim mk2]

It's very difficult to find players who can hit the ground running in the PL. So, like I said, all things considered, not a bad window.

Your attempts to cast Kean in a good light are laughable.

The squad desperately needed ready-made players to help the relegation battle and while Jones has proved a good signing the other 3 have been a waste of space. In addition, Kean also released EH Diouf whose nous and experience have been sorely missed.

A good window ? A broken one I would say.

[Jimmy612]

A good window ? A broken one I would say.

Certainly single-glazing with poor thermal efficiency

[Amo]

You have to take those opportunities? What do we know about him, he's played for Newells Old Boys? Villanueva was meant to be a superstar aswell lets not forget. 3.5million is a lot to throw at a kid who clearly is not even close to being ready for the PL.

The manager wanted to sign him as a long-term prospect, the money was available, so he signed him. We couldn't wait until the summer, because Formica was already on the move until we stepped in. We already made two short-term signings, so we could afford to invest in the future.

True January is a bitch, so why start throwing money around during it. I've just made an example of O'Hara who would have been a loan option. He could have come straight into our team, made a difference and then we could have assessed it in the Summer. Instead we rushed in and signed some kid from Argentina who is yet to play one second of first team football.

Yeah, you gave ONE example. I'm still waiting for the plethora of PL talent we could have signed instead.

There aren't many players who play in a 4-4-2 and don't have a tackle in them, and get knocked of the ball easily. I was under the impression he played just in front of the midfield, does he not?

How about Mikel Arteta?

People thought he would be too lightweight for the PL, even the man the who signed him:

'We brought him in as a central midfield player and he looked a little bit lightweight for the Premier League,' said Moyes.

'He has played on the right and the left as well as the middle. He is versatile and we will continue to use him that way.

'Mikel is now competing and handling the pace of the game much better in the middle.'

Your attempts to cast Kean in a good light are laughable.

Actually, Jim, I just call things how I see them.

I'll leave the manager love-ins to you.

Sorry, FORMER-manager...

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Your attempts to cast Kean in a good light are laughable.

The squad desperately needed ready-made players to help the relegation battle and while Jones has proved a good signing the other 3 have been a waste of space. In addition, Kean also released EH Diouf whose nous and experience have been sorely missed.

A good window ? A broken one I would say.

Lets put the window in the correct context - at the end of January we sat 7th in the Premiership - don't think we were buying for relegation but just to consolidate the first team squad. With the benefit of hindsight I am sure we would have purchased differently - but so would possibly every other manager in the league.

[Jimmy612]

The manager wanted to sign him as a long-term prospect, the money was available, so he signed him. We couldn't wait until the summer, because Formica was already on the move until we stepped in. We already made two short-term signings, so we could afford to invest in the future.

Yeah, you gave ONE example. I'm still waiting for the plethora of PL talent we could have signed instead.

How about Mikel Arteta?

Steve Sidwell is doing a lovely little job at Fulham aswell. Who said anything about a plethora of talent? You just told me its a bitch to buy in January and i've named you two who I would have taken over Formica, an unproven Argentinian with a fairly hefty price tag.

Stephen Ireland is one I would have gambled on too.

Arteta there can be no arguing with, a supreme talent with a lovely touch and great passing ability. If Formica turns out as good as him i'l hold my hands up. However what you can say about Everton is that they rarely play with out and out wingers, more likely players such as Osman, Bilyaletdinov, Pienaar (before his transfer), Coleman. This means that the centre of midfield is not as exposed as ours with Hoillett and Olsson on the flanks. And don't Everton play 4-5-1 most of the time anyway? Beckford up on his own, with Cahill in behind?

Care to mention anymore?

I wonder how many times Steve Kean saw Formica play before he paid a large fee for him? Does anyone know?

[jim mk2]

Lets put the window in the correct context - at the end of January we sat 7th in the Premiership - don't think we were buying for relegation but just to consolidate the first team squad. With the benefit of hindsight I am sure we would have purchased differently - but so would possibly every other manager in the league.

I and a few others could see the trouble ahead - just a shame this poor excuse for a manager couldn't. The squad didn't need "consolidating" either - it needed major strengthening with gaping deficiiences that everyone (except the manager) knows about. Admittedly January is not the best time to do it but the fact remains the window wasn't just poor it was also an embarrassment to the club with Venky's making us a laughing stock in the media with their "marquee" target signings.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

The squad didn't need "consolidating" either - it needed major strengthening with gaping deficiiences that everyone (except the manager) knows about. Admittedly January is not the best time to do it but the fact remains the window wasn't just poor it was also an embarrassment to the club with Venky's making us a laughing stock in the media with their "marquee" target signings.

Robinson

Salgado - Jones - Samba - Givet

Jones - Nzonzi - MGP

Hoilett - Olsson

RSC

This weekend we could potentially line up as above.

Though I admit with pots of money this team could be improved on - but it is definitely moving in the right direction (and would be even better with a fully functioning RSC).

The marquee signings ended up as a farce - was this down to inexperience on our new owners part messing up good intentions - or just total incompetence combined with a hunger for publicity ? Only this summer will show how true the Venkys are to their word - we just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best.