[Archived] Steve Kean

[LeChuck]

He's the manager Matty, has final say on transfers, unless you can show me different?

There is no proof either way. It is equally your responsibility to back up your claims if you are going to present them as facts.

What is a fact is that Kentaro have strong links in South America, even having an office there. Logic suggests he was presented to Rovers by Anderson/Kentaro. Whether Kean had much influence on the decision to sign the lad is anyone's guess.

[Gav]

Can you show me the proof that has Kean with last say of transfers?

also, if Allardyce had spent 5 and a half million on Santa Cruz and Formica- one hasnt kicked a ball, one finished, you'd be playing bloody hell about it- and you'd be right!

I don't need to prove that Matty, managers sign players, and until someone shows me evidence that shows otherwise, I'll stick to the rule of thumb that’s been around for over 100yrs.

Make no mistake about this, Allardyce was signing RSC in the transfer window also

[chris]

anyone who thought signing RSC on a loan deal was a bad idea in Jan is probably lying.

I don't think that is a stick to beat Kean with. I wanted RSC he was a gret player for us.

what about Hughes signing him for 17 million?

[LeChuck]

I don't need to prove that Matty, managers sign players, and until someone shows me evidence that shows otherwise, I'll stick to the rule of thumb that’s been around for over 100yrs.

Lost touch with modern football there a bit Gav...plenty of clubs have a mananger/head coach in charge of the team and someone else in charge of transfers. Rovers have never operated this way before but plenty of clubs (including PL teams) have been doing it for years.

Look at someone like Damien Comolli if you want proof.

[Mattyblue]

anyone who thought signing RSC on a loan deal was a bad idea in Jan is probably lying.

I don't think that is a stick to beat Kean with. I wanted RSC he was a gret player for us.

what about Hughes signing him for 17 million?

I knew it was highly risky after watching him tow a caravan around the pitch at the World Cup.

By the way GAV, where's the 'proof' that Santa Cruz was signing for Sam? The Gospel According to Alan again?

[JAL]

I think I said RSC didn't work, and you've never seen Formica play, so not sure how you can come to that conclusion, osmosis maybe

Jermaine Jones alone has had a major impact on proceedings, if we stay up would you not attribute some of that to him, saving us millions in the long run?

If Jones doesnt sign up then its definitely been a disappointment.

Whats the point of a loan deal when you do well if you then dont join the club.

If Jones does sign up, then the january transfer window will have been 50% successful, if not, then its down to a 25% success rate, (in line with Steve Keans win rate) with Rochina being left as the only shining light of the four january incomings.

You think thats good ?

[JAL]

I think I said RSC didn't work, and you've never seen Formica play, so not sure how you can come to that conclusion, osmosis maybe

Jermaine Jones alone has had a major impact on proceedings, if we stay up would you not attribute some of that to him, saving us millions in the long run?

If Jones doesnt sign up then its definitely been a disappointment.

Whats the point of a loan deal when you do well if you then dont join the club.

If Jones does sign up, then the january transfer window will have been 50% successful, if not, then its down to a 25% success rate, (in line with Steve Keans win rate) with Rochina being left as the only shining light of the four january incomings.

You think thats good ?

[Gav]

Lost touch with modern football there a bit Gav...plenty of clubs have a mananger/head coach in charge of the team and someone else in charge of transfers. Rovers have never operated this way before but plenty of clubs (including PL teams) have been doing it for years.

Look at someone like Damien Comolli if you want proof.

blah blah blah......

If Jones doesnt sign up then its definitely been a disappointment.

Whats the point of a loan deal when you do well if you then dont join the club.

You're joking right?

[chris]

Whats the point of a loan deal when you do well if you then dont join the club.

come on, seriously?

He maybe a big reason we stay up.

[Gav]

By the way GAV, where's the 'proof' that Santa Cruz was signing for Sam? The Gospel According to Alan again?

Seem to recall Allardcye saying he's after RSC in a press conference, but I'm not sad enough to trawl around trying to find it.

[chris]

Seem to recall Allardcye saying he's after RSC in a press conference, but I'm not sad enough to trawl around trying to find it.

I'm 98.7% sure he said he wanted to sign him at that press conference.

[JAL]

come on, seriously?

He maybe a big reason we stay up.

You've not answered the question.

You're joking right?

Why ? You can't build a team around players who just come for six months at a time.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

What I find interesting with this thread is we seem to have two camps :-

1. Those who don't believe that Kean is responsible for all the world's woes - and that there have been some limited good things he has done. I will temper this - I get the impression that most in this camp would still have had him replaced by now.

2. Those that seem to argue that Kean is responsible for all the worlds woes starting from the Garden of Eden. Altogether not too dissimilar to the crusade that Vinjay had against the Walkers.

Obviously both camps show a passion for Rovers - but in different ways - all makes for an interesting debate

[RovertheHill]

Can you show me the proof that has Kean with last say of transfers?

also, if Allardyce had spent 5 and a half million on Santa Cruz and Formica- one hasnt kicked a ball, one finished, you'd be playing bloody hell about it- and you'd be right!

There are lots of examples where managers have not played signings when first brought in. Kalinic being one - when Sam said he needed building up for the league. Similarly MGP with Hughes. Formica may well turn out to be a flop, but equally he may yet be a success. I don't think he should be used as a stick to beat Kean with. Yet.

[Gav]

Why ? You can't build a team around players who just come for six months at a time.

What about his contribution whilst he's been here Jal

We tried to secure a deal but Shalke wouldn't play ball, can't do anything about that.

What I find interesting with this thread is we seem to have two camps :-

1. Those who don't believe that Kean is responsible for all the world's woes - and that there have been some limited good things he has done. I will temper this - I get the impression that most in this camp would still have had him replaced by now. Yes for me DMTP, after the Everton debacle

2. Those that seem to argue that Kean is responsible for all the worlds woes starting from the Garden of Eden. Altogether not too dissimilar to the crusade that Vinjay had against the Walkers. Good point

[chris]

You've not answered the question.

Because a loan player is to fill a hole on a temp bases.

If Robbie Keane scored 4 goals in last 3 games and keeps west Ham up then goes back to Spurs.

Do you think West Hams will say, well that was pointless we didn't sign him.

Whether Jones stays or not I'll be thankful for contribution in months where I really thought we were doomed to be relegated.

It will be disappointing if we don't sign him, but not pointless, big difference.

[Mattyblue]

What I find interesting with this thread is we seem to have two camps :-

1. Those who don't believe that Kean is responsible for all the world's woes - and that there have been some limited good things he has done. I will temper this - I get the impression that most in this camp would still have had him replaced by now.

2. Those that seem to argue that Kean is responsible for all the worlds woes starting from the Garden of Eden. Altogether not too dissimilar to the crusade that Vinjay had against the Walkers.

Obviously both camps show a passion for Rovers - but in different ways - all makes for an interesting debate

1. I would agree with that.

2. Can only speak for myself but Kean has done exactly how I would have expected for a first team coach thrown into the managers job, my beef has always been with the supidity/arrogance/naivety of the owners and who they have chosen to get into bed with.

[den]

He's the manager Matty, has final say on transfers, unless you can show me different?

Don't be daft Gav, if that was the case Allardyce would still be here.

Kean told us he was another Batistuta, so either he knew nothing about Formica, or he knows nothing about football. Maybe both?

[Jimmy612]

Kean is likely to be gone after this campaign

No he isn't

I don't need to prove that Matty, managers sign players, and until someone shows me evidence that shows otherwise, I'll stick to the rule of thumb that’s been around for over 100yrs.

Make no mistake about this, Allardyce was signing RSC in the transfer window also

He was interested in him, and subject to a medical (I assume a thorough one) he might have bought him here. And I would like to see your proof that that particular transfer was signed sealed and delivered like you keep implying.

[Athlete]

Steve kean needs to go know matter what division Rovers are in...hes the worst manager in the history of BRFC fact

[Jimmy612]

Steve kean needs to go know matter what division Rovers are in...hes the worst manager in the history of BRFC fact

Unfortunately this won't happen Athlete, he's cuddled right up next to Venkys and they are all under the control of Jerome Anderson. Of course this is just a hunch that I have, I won't be wrong though

[47er]

What I find interesting with this thread is we seem to have two camps :-

1. Those who don't believe that Kean is responsible for all the world's woes - and that there have been some limited good things he has done. I will temper this - I get the impression that most in this camp would still have had him replaced by now.

2. Those that seem to argue that Kean is responsible for all the worlds woes starting from the Garden of Eden. Altogether not too dissimilar to the crusade that Vinjay had against the Walkers.

Obviously both camps show a passion for Rovers - but in different ways - all makes for an interesting debate

Presumably you're in Group 1?

[47er]

What I find interesting with this thread is we seem to have two camps :-

1. Those who don't believe that Kean is responsible for all the world's woes - and that there have been some limited good things he has done. I will temper this - I get the impression that most in this camp would still have had him replaced by now.

2. Those that seem to argue that Kean is responsible for all the worlds woes starting from the Garden of Eden. Altogether not too dissimilar to the crusade that Vinjay had against the Walkers.

Obviously both camps show a passion for Rovers - but in different ways - all makes for an interesting debate

Presumably you're in Group 1?

[alexanders]

JJ is exactly the player we have been missing since Sav. Kudos to Kean and his team for bringing him on board even though it is for a brief 6 months spell.

[patrickvalery]

If Robbie Keane scored 4 goals in last 3 games and keeps west Ham up then goes back to Spurs.

Please retract that statement. We don't want to be tempting fate.